So...are You A Goth?

[slingerlandstyx]

That said, Imma claim myself goth. I may not wear it on the outside the majority of the time, but it's there nonetheless.

[nilhil_glory]

i f i were to catagorize myself i really think id fall under the rivet label more than goth... i like desert camo wayy more than black i have an obsession with painting resporators uv responsive neon colors...shiny metallic things such as tinfoil amuse me and i love wearing bondage cuffs and dog chain chokers...

i pretty much own nothing but band tshirts camo pants and thats about.. it other than a pair of dress paints a pair of raver type pants and a turquois fishnet shirt.....

survey says

<no goth

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

i f i were to catagorize myself i really think id fall under the rivet label more than goth... i like desert camo wayy more than black i have an obsession with painting resporators uv responsive neon colors...shiny metallic things such as tinfoil amuse me and i love wearing bondage cuffs and dog chain chokers...

i pretty much own nothing but band tshirts camo pants and thats about.. it other than a pair of dress paints a pair of raver type pants and a turquois fishnet shirt.....

survey says

<no goth

Just b/c is not black doesn't mean its not goth. there are varriing degrees of goth. your's just so happens to be a bright colors and camo. I too love neon colors. hell, my own skin glows under one... so yeah... hate to say it, but your goth

[jadnifer]

I think that I would catergorize myself under goth. Not like all out or anything, but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that everything that I want to buy is uber expensive and Im always freakin broke. I love wearing the color black. I dont even have enough white clothes to make a full load of laundry if that tells you anything.

However, I do listen to different types of music that someone might say OMG you are SO not goth...but fu*k those people. Let them think what they want to ..

Im kinda rambling now...so I will stop talking.

I must go back to living my gothic life...wait DGN is my gothic life.

[DJDeadbeat]

Goth is not about black, it is not a fashion trend it is a musical and aestetic subculture that has been around since the late 70's. It is and always will be an outgrowth of postive-punk/post-punk/anarcho punk and glam rock. It is a musical culture with art and some fashion trends.

Done.

I may sound "ELITIST", but if you don't listen to any goth or related music at all, you are not a goth. Sorry Shelly, Poe, and Voltaire...well, maybe the OTHER Voltaire. You can love death, beauty, romance, surrealism, religion as much as you want but if you can't put it to a gothic music frame, its not goth.

GOTH GOTH GOTH. GOTH.

God, I wish that term would die. We need a secret handshake.

[Der Nister]

Huh?

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

LOL

here, DJDeadbeat:

Goth (just some of the styles & looks within the subculture)

Found this on YouTube, while looking up the bands that you gave me...

[nilhil_glory]

that song made me want to ram my fists in my mouth pull my eardrums through the inside of my skull and stomp on them after i take them out

yelch

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

it wasn't for the song, i posted it well, okay that was a lie... lol it was more for DJ, than for anyone else... i really liked the clothes... not the song so much..lol Die Die Darling would have been better... lol

[Joey Deadcat]

Didn't care for much of the fashion in that vid. Like the song but then again I've always been big into Sex Gang Children.

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

two opposite sides, i guess.. lol.... to each his own, as they say...

[DarkVampire]

I don't consider myself goth but I like the music/people/atmosphere.

[DJDeadbeat]

that song made me want to ram my fists in my mouth pull my eardrums through the inside of my skull and stomp on them after i take them out

yelch

Thats the Sex Gang Children! And their most famous song of all.

But for what its worth, THAT is a fine example of gothic music!

[DJDeadbeat]

Didn't care for much of the fashion in that vid. Like the song but then again I've always been big into Sex Gang Children.

Too over the top.

[DJDeadbeat]

Just b/c is not black doesn't mean its not goth. there are varriing degrees of goth. your's just so happens to be a bright colors and camo. I too love neon colors. hell, my own skin glows under one... so yeah... hate to say it, but your goth

However, he said nothing of liking goth music or culture.

I think he has it right.

[Joey Deadcat]

Too over the top.

But don't you know you're supposed to be wearing top hats, poet shirts, and fangs and Pete and the girls are supposed to be wearing lotsa lace, dreadfalls, and swirly things around their eyes?

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

However, he said nothing of liking goth music or culture.

I think he has it right.

sweety, i hate to tell you this, and you can argue all you want, but goth has been seperated into so many genres its not funny... i mean come on.... gothic is actually an architectual term to describe the style of building... gothic as in terms of clothing was established because ppl were mimiking the style of.... *drum roll* churches... why churches? b/c they were the buildings that used the "gothic" style the most... i think that old school goth is the original Victorian era clothing..... when color wasn't first used.. when corsets were the fashion, and greys, dark blues, and black and high lacy collers were in fashion, as well.... so yeah, if i had the money, i dress like that... that's true goth... before there were "gothic" music that is out today...

but whatever... now its more about feeling... he can fall under goth, but he's more "industrial" I guess... i don't really care... I'm goth, and I'm proud to be... and besides, descriptive words will evolve as ppl evolve... what was goth back then isn't goth now... what's goth now, wasn't what goth was back then...

[Joey Deadcat]

Yup, ya get exactly what folks thought existed before but didn't outside of Dave Vanian's wardrobe. The cliches and misconceptions didn't come about 'til much later thanks to the gamers,metalheads,Ren-Faire folks, and drama queens. Least they can't screw up DR the same way.

[Shade Everdark]

Goth is not about black, it is not a fashion trend it is a musical and aestetic subculture that has been around since the late 70's. It is and always will be an outgrowth of postive-punk/post-punk/anarcho punk and glam rock. It is a musical culture with art and some fashion trends.

Done.

I may sound "ELITIST", but if you don't listen to any goth or related music at all, you are not a goth. Sorry Shelly, Poe, and Voltaire...well, maybe the OTHER Voltaire. You can love death, beauty, romance, surrealism, religion as much as you want but if you can't put it to a gothic music frame, its not goth.

GOTH GOTH GOTH. GOTH.

God, I wish that term would die. We need a secret handshake.

Frankly, you DO sound elitist. And while you are, as always, free to hold and express that opinion, I must confess I'd rather see people like you trying to open your mind a little bit. There's a reason the old goths were labelled New Romantics: mood, feeling, and aesthetic are a huge part of the subculture.

I guess I'll just sit my New Romantic ass over here in the corner and read my Milton, my Browning, and my Baudelaire.

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

I love you..lol

[Destroit]

Goth is not about black, it is not a fashion trend it is a musical and aestetic subculture that has been around since the late 70's. It is and always will be an outgrowth of postive-punk/post-punk/anarcho punk and glam rock. It is a musical culture with art and some fashion trends.

Done.

I may sound "ELITIST", but if you don't listen to any goth or related music at all, you are not a goth. Sorry Shelly, Poe, and Voltaire...well, maybe the OTHER Voltaire. You can love death, beauty, romance, surrealism, religion as much as you want but if you can't put it to a gothic music frame, its not goth.

GOTH GOTH GOTH. GOTH.

God, I wish that term would die. We need a secret handshake.

sweety, i hate to tell you this, and you can argue all you want, but goth has been seperated into so many genres its not funny... i mean come on.... gothic is actually an architectual term to describe the style of building... gothic as in terms of clothing was established because ppl were mimiking the style of.... *drum roll* churches... why churches? b/c they were the buildings that used the "gothic" style the most... i think that old school goth is the original Victorian era clothing..... when color wasn't first used.. when corsets were the fashion, and greys, dark blues, and black and high lacy collers were in fashion, as well.... so yeah, if i had the money, i dress like that... that's true goth... before there were "gothic" music that is out today...

but whatever... now its more about feeling... he can fall under goth, but he's more "industrial" I guess... i don't really care... I'm goth, and I'm proud to be... and besides, descriptive words will evolve as ppl evolve... what was goth back then isn't goth now... what's goth now, wasn't what goth was back then...

WRONG! Remember the movie The Matrix? The part where Neo goes and sees the Oracle and that little kid shows him the cool trick with the spoon...

Well it like this....there IS no goth, it's all just a part of the Matrix, which obviously isn't real.

....

Kay...so I kid. I will say this, nobody will ever come to terms with what is and what isn't goth. I judge things as being goth through the following: If it gives you that rolling fuzzy feeling (yes...for me it's fuzzy, not scary. For most people what I'm describing equals fear/scary. Another bit of evidence to chalk one up to my goth-side) of darkness, spookyness, eerieness, disturbedness, etc, then to me it's pretty goth. I'm wrong though, the correct answer here in my opinion is that nobody is or ever will be correct about it.

Also, elitests can be as elitest about it as they want, they were once scene newbs too, which is undisputable.

Goth is a state of mind. Not what anarcho-punk whatever music you branched from in the 80's (I mean that was 20 + years ago, do preppy people still wear stirrup pants, sweaters with crazy patterns, and exclusively pink and blue makeup? NO! Why? Because times change, that's why!), and it's not "who's been goth through the ages, and how many people stole their clothing idea from the temple down the street (I never ever heard the church thing before, but everyone has a different theory on "how it all started" and yet very few are correct). To me it's how your brain processes things that makes someone goth, but there's another OPINION, I'm very wrong in many peoples' eyes.

I think my point is that we could all sit here and debate until we're blue in the face and none of us will ever REALLY be fully right. So we're all goth in our non-goth non-conformist conformity . Deal with it.

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

WRONG! Remember the movie The Matrix? The part where Neo goes and sees the Oracle and that little kid shows him the cool trick with the spoon...

Well it like this....there IS no goth, it's all just a part of the Matrix, which obviously isn't real.

....

Kay...so I kid. I will say this, nobody will ever come to terms with what is and what isn't goth. I judge things as being goth through the following: If it gives you that rolling fuzzy feeling (yes...for me it's fuzzy, not scary. For most people what I'm describing equals fear/scary. Another bit of evidence to chalk one up to my goth-side) of darkness, spookyness, eerieness, disturbedness, etc, then to me it's pretty goth. I'm wrong though, the correct answer here in my opinion is that nobody is or ever will be correct about it.

Also, elitests can be as elitest about it as they want, they were once scene newbs too, which is undisputable.

Goth is a state of mind. Not what anarcho-punk whatever music you branched from in the 80's (I mean that was 20 + years ago, do preppy people still wear stirrup pants, sweaters with crazy patterns, and exclusively pink and blue makeup? NO! Why? Because times change, that's why!), and it's not "who's been goth through the ages, and how many people stole their clothing idea from the temple down the street (I never ever heard the church thing before, but everyone has a different theory on "how it all started" and yet very few are correct). To me it's how your brain processes things that makes someone goth, but there's another OPINION, I'm very wrong in many peoples' eyes.

I think my point is that we could all sit here and debate until we're blue in the face and none of us will ever REALLY be fully right. So we're all goth in our non-goth non-conformist conformity . Deal with it.

as always, you are correct, in a way... i read what i said a long time ago... that thing i said about the Victorian era style clothing was, however, my opinion, but the rest, well, it was the opinion of some scholor or something. it made sence, and so i repeated it. (and yes, i am well aware that I am a terrible speller, but I try my best)

[Scales]

To be politically correct.. By dictionary definition "goth/deathrock" is a type of music that came from post-punk, that a lot of people believed died in the 80's, or are just confused as to what's become of it. Than you have "gothic" which can be attributed to architecture which has nothing to do with the fashion/music of the subculture, although the aesthetics are closely related being that the Victorian Era hosts what would definitely be considered gothic architecture, especially cathedrals.

But you also have slang and social ideologies forming out of these politically correct terms, linking things together and forming new ways of looking at things. Culture is constantly taken in and influenced by the people who are drawn to it, and it's socially redefined as it changes. For instance, it's arguable that Vampire Freaks is a very well-known gothic/alternative networking site on the net, being specifically intended for people interested in that kind of culture; but it respects industrial/ebm/metal as part of the gothic subculture. You have a lot of people who are metalheads, or electronica loving clubbers lovers who dress in gothic clothing and styles.

Punk/Goth were both originally against the taboo, but now you have people who believe in politically correct ideas vs. people who believe in expanding cultural change. Like in this thread.

Since you have many younger people finding their identity, as well as those who already have out of collective redefinition of culture, your going to continually have cultural change and evolution..

Just my thoughts from reading this.

[Hellion]

Labeling gets old,I am me thats about it.LOL!!

[JaneDead]

I don't consider myself goth but I like the music/people/atmosphere.

really this describes me:

i was uncool before uncool was cool