The Future Of America Is In Jeopardy

[Hellion]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA

I am so happy I did not have to go through this today

stupid is in smart is out.

The smart are a dying breed here,

considering most people I socialize with are in the skilled trades sector.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZaN6Rx8X6_I

you can blame alot on the system for this bs.

[Head Wreck]

may i give unto you the god that is al murrey.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UFvz5mCH4TU

[Destroit]

IMO open school districts + horrible parents are destroying the school systems, not the teachers or the students. Kids are kids, you have to push them, that is the PARENT'S job. My mother is a teacher, this is how she says it goes:

She'll flunk a student. Like the student was doing horribly, not showing up to class, sleeping, mouthing off, not turning in work, etc. You know, whatever kids do in school even though they could easily just do the work and study, seeing as they have to be there anyway. What most parents should do when called in by a teacher to have a meeting, or just plain called over the phone about the behavior/work/attendance of said child is comply with the teacher. They literally should take the teacher's word, when my mom was growing up kids were wrong no matter what, and that should ALWAYS be the case (except in VERY rare exceptions, like if the teacher is blatantly playing favorites or something along those lines). What actually happens now with the slack-off baby boomers, who probably have the worst parenting record in history? My mom says nine times out of ten they ALWAYS believe their child over the teacher. Then they bitch to the principal or superintendant in order to get the teacher in trouble because "their little sweet child could do NOTHING wrong, so it HAS to be the teacher!" Puh-LEASE.

Now this is where the whole open school district thing comes in. Open school districts allow children from wherever to attend their school, I remember when my school district was still closed, grades were HARD to make. When mine opened up to kids from other areas, we had an influx of kids from Detroit, Warren, East Detroit, etc come to attend Fraser because we have one of the best records in the area. TONS of kids came from our neighboring district, Clintondale (which I was actually supposed to go to, but my mom FOUGHT for me to be in Fraser because she didn't want my education to be at stake), and Clintondale to pass you pretty much just have to show up. So my education was then forsaken, because when all of these kids from bad districts came, they had to dumb down the curriculum just so they could pass. That was their first mistake. The reason schools want to be "open-district" is because if they get more kids to attend their schools, they get more money from the government, and most parents know this. So much like a business (since that's what public schools REALLY are now, is capitalist businesses), parents realize that if they threaten to take their child to another district, the school will almost always pass that child, just to keep the money coming in from the government.

Thus, creating a vicious cycle of ignorant children, pompous arrogent parents, and greedy money grubbing school districts, in which, the teachers are the innocent bystanders.

About a week ago a kid shined a laser pen RIGHT INTO MY MOM'S EYE, while she was trying to her job: teach. She even taught in my district when I was a Freshman, and I sat in on her classes every-so-often (she'd kick me the hell out being like "WTF...you will NOT skip class, you go back to your own room, brat!"), but my momma is sweet as pie when it comes to being a teacher, she is VERY reasonable with grading and such. They had to send my poor little old Boshy (that's what we call her, hence her DGN screenname being the same) to Urgent Care telling her that she could be BLIND for life because at that point she had no vision at ALL in that eye (so she was damn scared obviously). What did the school do to the kid? Five day inhouse suspension. My mom was almost BLINDED FOR LIFE, and they gave the kid in-house for five days so as not to piss off his trash parents, whereas they should have outrightly kicked his ass out of school PERIOD.

So...the moral of the story? Parents, your kids are little shit heads, they are the same crap kids that all other parents have. You are not special, your kids are not angels just because they're yours, get the HELL OVER IT. The rest of society is sick of dealing with your "precious" little mistakes. Kids start out as crap and need to be MOLDED by you, not have you as a friend. Kids are kids for a reason: because they are at the BOTTOM of the peking order. Adults should always win. So schpank yer kids, even if they haven't done anything, just to keep them in check and let them know they are insignificant little assholes. Remember, just because your kids aren't doing anything to piss off you or other innocent bystanders, it doesn't mean that they aren't going to in the future. (Kay, so those last two lines were a joke, but the rest of it I stand by )

[Slept with ghost]

The problem with spanking kids nowdays is that there is such a thin line between what is and isnt child abuse that parents are to worried that the slighest slap on the wrist will land them in jail. I think its more abusive not to punish kids for doing wrong because if you dont then they have no moral guidlines and think its okay to do just about anything. I might not be all that far in life right now but I am a good person because my parents knew enough to slap me on the ass every now and then when I got out of line most parents nowdays really dont seem to think they have that option though so it really isnt all that fair to blame them. Its not really fair to blame anybody.

[ttogreh]

Garbage in, Garbage out. A kid with bad parents can overcome their incompetence, but only with the help from the greater community.

Kids are NOT the responsibility of "somebody else".

[SuZQZ]

Garbage in, Garbage out. A kid with bad parents can overcome their incompetence, but only with the help from the greater community.

Kids are NOT the responsibility of "somebody else".

Garbage in, Garbage out... very profound indeed.

[Destroit]

The problem with spanking kids nowdays is that there is such a thin line between what is and isnt child abuse that parents are to worried that the slighest slap on the wrist will land them in jail. I think its more abusive not to punish kids for doing wrong because if you dont then they have no moral guidlines and think its okay to do just about anything. I might not be all that far in life right now but I am a good person because my parents knew enough to slap me on the ass every now and then when I got out of line most parents nowdays really dont seem to think they have that option though so it really isnt all that fair to blame them. Its not really fair to blame anybody.

To clarify:

So schpank yer kids, even if they haven't done anything, just to keep them in check and let them know they are insignificant little assholes. Remember, just because your kids aren't doing anything to piss off you or other innocent bystanders, it doesn't mean that they aren't going to in the future. (Kay, so those last two lines were a joke, but the rest of it I stand by )

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Garbage in, Garbage out. A kid with bad parents can overcome their incompetence, but only with the help from the greater community.

Kids are NOT the responsibility of "somebody else".

Make up your mind. It's like listening to Hillary.

[ttogreh]

Gaf, only a person with a disdain for nuance would think that I was speaking from both sides of my mouth. Read my words....

A child is not just the responsibility of parents. An entire community must be involved in the well-being of a child. If a child's parents are incompetent, a secure and structured society should be able to make up the difference. That so much of the support net needed for children is tattered... is why children these days have to rely solely on parental responsibility.

Many hands make light work.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I happen to agree with the latter half of what you said...

Kids are NOT the responsibility of "somebody else".

Don't get me wrong.. some parents need help, but the kids don't need to be raised by the village. Too many people think they can raise other peoples kids better than they can. People without kids who think they have any idea what it's like to be a parent are the most laughable.

It's just more left wing socialist crap to take away the rights of the individual.

[ttogreh]

First, I take exception to the idea that because I do not have children of my own, makes me somehow less capable of thoughtful decisions on the well-being of children. I may not know what it means to parent A child, but I most certainly know how to CARE for CHILDREN.

Secondly, children most certainly need to be raised by the village. The fireman needs to be ready to put a fire out blocks away from the child's home, the garbage men need to pick up the garbage all around the city to keep the rats away, the teacher needs to teach the child how to read (better), and the sign maker needs to write legibly so the child knows where he is once he CAN read.

Finally, the parents need to love, and to impart morals and thoughtfulness.

If a parent is busy working two jobs to keep her child in a warm bed at night, her friends have to keep an eye on the child, and help impart those morals and thoughtfulness.

If a parent lets her child act like a major asshole to the teacher, sign maker, his parent's friends, the firefighter, and the garbage men, then maybe, just maybe, that kid ought to be informed of the errors of his way, along with the parent.

This idea of sovereignty over a human being just because one is a parent... it calls back to the bad old days of the Roman Republic and later empire. A father could sell his child into slavery for up to three times.

No one has exclusive rights to wisdom, Gaf.

[Scales]

My two cents/lint..

Everyone who's concerned about the educational system has had the wrong focus, test scores and averages; this is the focus the government and media has given to them, and underneath it the main problem is lack of interest, and hatred of education resulting in less intellectual members of society.

I consider my opinions rational, and I lean libertarian. I do not think within the confines of the crooked half-brained political system, I only make fun of it, so there are a lot of ignorant people who find my opinions radical. I'm going to speak them anyway since I'm bored, but without passionately ranting, since I have more hope for educational reform than religious reform; schools are openly hated, religion and deities are secretly hated by their most devout followers.

I am not the anti-christ, I just get the coffee.

Children and adolescents are developing as they go through the educational system. As everyone knows, the present educational system has a traditional, yet fluctuating set of stereotypes and sociological hierarchy young people create and respond too; I believe this is a direct reflection of the way the school systems operate, and the social health and empathy of society in general. Any person who is developing, looks for role-models and beliefsets; there is no way around the fact that drugs, bullying, stereotypes, and grade school hierarchies, are much more severe than they would be if a rational solution was implemented towards the educational system.

With kids "growing up," as more conservative mindsets would say, or as I would say, "growing faster," adults would eventually wise up along with them.

The current school systems are based on social acceptance and social controls. They work for some students, they completely fail others. The need that has risen over the years to administer drugs to students is another indicator that the educational system doesn't work at all.

It's not any one group of people's fault, playing the blame game too long only postpones the problem. All of the solutions being considered are within the two political parties, and digging into competition instead of intellect which is the real problem. Ironically, all of the people who were successful with going through the educational systems, believe in them, and listening to what they've been told, haven't came up with a single really worthwhile solution.

What does work for the educational systems is a free-market type of system after elementary. Middle schools and high schools similar to colleges but with everything even more optional, courses with or without teachers optional, competitive courses optional; the only tests would be towards certification for careers, these are the only necessary tests. There's no need for kids to be pushed if the whole world of information is open to them, without it being forced down their throats in crude, unbelievably non-working memorization games; not to mention unnecessary drugs being prescribed for them to calm their so called "learning disorders."

The reason America failing at testing competition cannot be looked at as a problem, is because testing competition is simply not a problem. The student that puts in the effort to steal the test answers and sell them to his/her peers for a nice chunk of dough, is arguably more smarter than the one who has simply memorized everything and done what they have been told to do. It really is a matter of the broken spirit of education being denied by the heart of intellectual defiance. While just about everyone who's young goes through rebellious phases- rational, intellectual defiance will live on, and with it, rational intellectuals.

In closing, I think that a kind of free market would be a perfect solution. But the United States has a centralized banking system which makes our money completely worthless, most Americans haven't realized it yet. The educational system's problem is still focused on what the two major political parties would focus on, which isn't the actual problem. So implementing a real solution to the educational system's real problem has a good chance of not happening. I am indifferent to seeing so many fellow dropouts, if not happy, it just goes to prove how much the problem is drawn out, and how utterly ridiculous governments treat education on a global scale.

/EndSelfRighteousOpinion

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

ttogreh - caring for a child is not the same as raising or being responsible for that child. Someone without a child thinking they know what it is to be a parent is like a virgin trying to explain what sex is like. They may have all the technical knowledge but still have no idea what it is actually like.

Scales - I agree with the idea behind your thoughts but not your solution. Our education system is failing miserably. Study after stuxdy has been done that shows where it is failing. People wont accept the fix because it doesn't fit into the politically correct mold that everyone is exactly alike and equal. Males and females learn differently. Girls learn more and retain more knowledge when they work in small groups along with other girls. Boys do far better when they work in a traditional classroom working alone. No one on either side of the political debate wants to admit that... they ignore the case studys and research that has been done.

[Head Wreck]

Our education system is failing miserably. Study after stuxdy has been done that shows where it is failing. People wont accept the fix because it doesn't fit into the politically correct mold that everyone is exactly alike and equal. Males and females learn differently. Girls learn more and retain more knowledge when they work in small groups along with other girls. Boys do far better when they work in a traditional classroom working alone. No one on either side of the political debate wants to admit that... they ignore the case studys and research that has been done.

not just in the states this is happening.

also people have cottened on that education = £££££ ($$$$$$$$$$ translated with the current exchange rate), and now someone with a degree in theology has the same weighting as someone with a degree in David Beckham (and yes there is a degree study in that useless fucker and his camera grabbing stick insect he calls a wife).

i was brought up liberal and socialist. but not ignorant. there are massive differances between how male and female minds work. this is put into display even when i go shooting and the men ALLWAYS underestimate the new female player, who subsiquently sharpshjoots them of the field. and i darent go toe to toe with a female sniper. womens brains generally make better shots, but thier a little off on minimum engagement distances, as men usually have better spacial awareness and make better room sweepers (helps that males generally have more aggression)

[Scary Guy]

I didn't read anything in the thread, just wanted to say watch the movie "Idiocracy". It's not a comedy really as much as it is a horror movie/documentary.

[creatureofthenyte]

Howz about the quittin of the bitchin and encourage everyone around you to vote. Its not the system that makes these laws crap and its not the system that allows unfair taxes and douch bags to find a nice comfy office position. Too many people bitch and not enough people do anything about it.

Its voting day, get off your butts and make a differance. Then tell your friends ... better yet, go out to coffee with some friends and stop by a voting location. They might as well as long as they're there right?

Votes don't do anything, the only things that politicians care about these days, are their political image, and money...nothing else.