Trent Reznor

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

So these lyrics were written by this dude:

Breathe... us in

Breathe... slowly

Breathe... us in

Slowly...

Everything you do,

Everywhere you go,

Anything we want

Anything

Persuasion (slowly)

Coercion (slowly)

Selection (breathe)

Assimilation (us in)

Breathe... us in

Slowly...

Slowly...

I wonder. How many of you have read his lyrics. How many have you ever wondered what story he's trying to tell us? How many of you have really thought about it from day one? I have a very stranger personal story to share with anyone who cares, but I'm not going to do useless yacking here.

All I can say is the guy's on to something. So are we. =D

I fully recommend. Getting high as fuck. And listening to his latest album while reading the words.

Try Salvia and Pot. Just for kicks. See what happens. See if you're undying devotion to your own pride melts away, and if perhaps my pride will go away as well we can get something accomplished.

In another life I was a nicer person and less of a hypocrit.... =/

Either way. I'm waiting for Jesus, and I have a sneaking suspicion he's been waiting a hell of a lot longer than I have. I also have a feeling he knows something that he's hiding from us.

Maybe I'm just a psychopath though.

Guess you'll have to just figure that out on your own....

MUAHAHAHAHA

[phee]

*sigh*

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

P.S.

You don't have to wait for Jesus. I am, but your choices are cool with me. For the betterment of humanity I don't care who the fuck you are honestly, as long as you feel like doing something. I think we can have everything we ever wanted.

I think money can be destroyed.

I think we have a lot more than we think.

I think the government knows this.

I think there's a reason why communes are separated and those ways of life are discouraged.

Sharing doesn't help the economy AKA (corporate america's ability to price gouge us til life is barely tolerable with unfair prices and government taxes.

Fuck my grammar.

Fuck my opinion.

What do you think?

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

*sigh*

I second that.

*sigh*

Not sure why this got moved to music. Has very little to do with music at all.

Oh well.

I have some work to do so I'll have to check back later.

[phee]

I second that.

*sigh*

Not sure why this got moved to music. Has very little to do with music at all.

Oh well.

I have some work to do so I'll have to check back later.

It was a discussion about a "musician" and his lyrics... So I moved it.

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

It was a discussion about a "musician" and his lyrics... So I moved it.

That's cool. I thought it pertained more to my religious "beliefs" personally. Otherwise, I would've put it there myself. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Homicidalheathen]

you dont think I can get a good effect with a clear head???

No enhancements?

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

you dont think I can get a good effect with a clear head???

No enhancements?

Go for it. I just know I'm too stressed and thinking about other shit any other way. I need to find a way to relax my mind on my own without medication or weed. Unfortunately, I've been holding so much shit inside with my supposed "illness" that I haven't really done any effective venting. I think I need a vacation and will try to take one soon. I have not been anywhere since 1999. Same people, same scene, same day, every day.

Not that I don't love it sometimes. It just sucks when I need some time to clear my; head and I'm stuck here in Urban America. I'm sure most of you can relate.

Coincidentally in 1999 I also took a vacation from Spirituality to learn a lot of really shitty lessons and do a lot of dumb shit. I'm just glad that as awful as I feel looking back, I didn't really do anything that horrible I don't think..... Who knows.

Isn't that supposed to be between us and God anyways? I mean really. Didn't Jesus tell us not to judge either other by any stick but the one we'd measure ourselves with? I measure myself pretty fairly I feel, and I think I'm more than fair with most people unless I'm pissed at myself. Maybe I just need a vacation to quit being pissed at myself and do something productive on vacation like shoot a movie or work on an album.....

I don't know.

I'm trying every day. What else can I do? What else can you do? That's just life. Why make it so complicated with stress and worry when the end is coming soon anyways?

Why not just relax, try to help some people out, try to get some things done, and let that guy take care of the rest.

If you are an atheist the worst that can happen is we'll all be working together for a good cause. You know?

I might read revelations tonight to see which angels weaknesses described in Revelations might stereotypically apply to any given religion.

Not that I really care, but I am curious.....

[odims_sphere]

My opinion on Trent is that he hasn't produced anything worth listening to since Pretty Hate Machine, which was an awesome album.

I don't need drugs to tell me that. Just ears.

If anything I'd trust my ears less if "enhanced".

[phee]

I have said this before...

But if you really want my opinion... listen to "Dig It" by Skinny Puppy... then "Terrible Lie" by NIN...

Then listen to "Starfucker" by Hanzel Und Gretyl... then "Starfuckers Inc." by NIN....

That's pretty much my opinion of Trent.

[DJ Saint]

This thread is hysterical...

Reznor is nothing more than a plagerizer having lifted much of his sound from bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Tackhead, Killing Joke and others who cut their teeth long before him.

Now then onto his lyrical content - it's nothing more than a combination of overwrought angsty silliness using confusing pseudo-religious metaphors to make a dumb joke sound all, ya know, poetical and shit. Then Trent gets onto common lyrical themes like - sadness, love and even anger. Been done before and it's nothing new... He's spewing the same emo crap that a million bands are and kids who don't know better, are unhappy or are simply confused by their place in the world just eat it up.

Especially in the genre of industrial, one should not read too much into the lyrics of any artist. Generally it's tongue-and-cheek juvenille and near superficial with themes of cyborgs, the apocalypse, horror, zombies, etc... Naturally there are exceptions to this and if you want far more thought provoking lyrical content, in which you don't have to be HIGH -pathetic- to get the message, check out early work by Project Pitchfork, Stromkern "Stand Up" or even Seabound.

*sigh*

[phee]

This thread is hysterical...

Reznor is nothing more than a plagerizer having lifted much of his sound from bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Tackhead, Killing Joke and others who cut their teeth long before him.

Now then onto his lyrical content - it's nothing more than a combination of overwrought angsty silliness using confusing pseudo-religious metaphors to make a dumb joke sound all, ya know, poetical and shit. Then Trent gets onto common lyrical themes like - sadness, love and even anger. Been done before and it's nothing new... He's spewing the same emo crap that a million bands are and kids who don't know better, are unhappy or are simply confused by their place in the world just eat it up.

Especially in the genre of industrial, one should not read too much into the lyrics of any artist. Generally it's tongue-and-cheek juvenille and near superficial with themes of cyborgs, the apocalypse, horror, zombies, etc... Naturally there are exceptions to this and if you want far more thought provoking lyrical content, in which you don't have to be HIGH -pathetic- to get the message, check out early work by Project Pitchfork, Stromkern "Stand Up" or even Seabound.

*sigh*

I like Mr Saint

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

This thread is hysterical...

Reznor is nothing more than a plagerizer having lifted much of his sound from bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Tackhead, Killing Joke and others who cut their teeth long before him.

Now then onto his lyrical content - it's nothing more than a combination of overwrought angsty silliness using confusing pseudo-religious metaphors to make a dumb joke sound all, ya know, poetical and shit. Then Trent gets onto common lyrical themes like - sadness, love and even anger. Been done before and it's nothing new... He's spewing the same emo crap that a million bands are and kids who don't know better, are unhappy or are simply confused by their place in the world just eat it up.

Especially in the genre of industrial, one should not read too much into the lyrics of any artist. Generally it's tongue-and-cheek juvenille and near superficial with themes of cyborgs, the apocalypse, horror, zombies, etc... Naturally there are exceptions to this and if you want far more thought provoking lyrical content, in which you don't have to be HIGH -pathetic- to get the message, check out early work by Project Pitchfork, Stromkern "Stand Up" or even Seabound.

*sigh*

Religion is religion. God's in all things. If we can find wisdom in our personal heroes to bring us closer to understanding I hardly find anything mystical at all about it.....

Calling anyone a plagarizer is like calling anyone original.......

Either way, I have to give credit where credit is due. If he's the one person in this world that got through to me and helped me see something, than what difference does it really make to you? I don't know man. I do like the bands you suggested and all, but you knock the guy like you know him or something. Who cares really. All I know is his lyrics helped me through some pretty bizarre shit once, and put a lot of things in perspective for me.

[the eternal]

I have said this before...

But if you really want my opinion... listen to "Dig It" by Skinny Puppy... then "Terrible Lie" by NIN...

Then listen to "Starfucker" by Hanzel Und Gretyl... then "Starfuckers Inc." by NIN....

That's pretty much my opinion of Trent.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I still like him.

I can't help it

Here's the thing.

He took Industrial and Metal and made it for people that couldn't stand either genre, by fusing it with more accessible tempos and song structures, and most importantly, understandable and relatable vocals

--a downfall for most bands that don't make it

Or maybe it's NOT a downfall for those bands. Not everyone's goal is to have million-sellers.

He was a band geek that WANTED to make it big.

He crafted his sound very carefully,

and you know what,

it's still better than 95% of the sh^% that makes it on the Clear Channel radio station of your choice.

Is it original or groundbreaking? NO. It wasn't supposed to be.

But, is it better than listening to Taylor Hicks and Hinder?

You're g-ddamn right it is.

It's all how you look at it.

What makes him unique, is he took uncommercial genres and made them commercial.

I don't think Hanzel Und Greytyl expect to go Triple Platinum by spoofing the Third Reich.

Even if it does sound great. (Better than anything Rammstein put out, IMHO)

(I don't listen to them much, because I still can't sing Deutschland Uber Alles, even in jest.

I have my limits, you know)

As far as stealing music, YES that's concerning, but

at least he steals from the best----

(Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Front 242, etc.)

There's absolutely nothing original about She Wants Revenge either, yet I still love their debut album.

WHY?

Because, as opposed to Interpol and AFI, who pretend like they're being original and deep---

She Wants Revenge actually sounds like you're listening to a mix of Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Bowie, and Depeche Mode, and that sure as hell beats whatever crap is passing itself for deep music today.

Or perhaps you want to hear THIS again.

(BTW, if you do click on the link, play it WITH Hanzel Und Gretyl in the background, it sounds A LOT better that way)

My .02

[phee]

Influence is one thing... but in the case of HuG... He took the name, most of the lyrics and the music, knowing that HuG had no danger of becoming mainstream, and therefore knowing he could get away with it.... In other words kicking around and taking advantage of the little guy.

Most of what you are describing is not talent however.... it is business sense. Like Marlyn Manson, or Madonna has.

[DJ Saint]

Religion is religion. God's in all things. If we can find wisdom in our personal heroes to bring us closer to understanding I hardly find anything mystical at all about it.....

Calling anyone a plagarizer is like calling anyone original.......

Either way, I have to give credit where credit is due. If he's the one person in this world that got through to me and helped me see something, than what difference does it really make to you? I don't know man. I do like the bands you suggested and all, but you knock the guy like you know him or something. Who cares really. All I know is his lyrics helped me through some pretty bizarre shit once, and put a lot of things in perspective for me.

Heh, perhaps you should pay attention to what Trent is saying here...

"my whole existence is flawed

you get me closer to god"

(and that's in reference to a psuedo-sexual act)

I'm not hear to argue religion with you. I'm not even on the same page as you with my religious stance. Looks like you're pretty dependent on God (and getting high) to run your own life! Whatever helps you comfort your beliefs I guess.

And yes, I have met Trent Reznor. Long ago back during the Pretty Hate Machine days he did an instore at a record store (Blitz, Royal Oak) I worked at where my friend and I drove him around all day. He's not somebody who I idolize nor somebody I would claim as an influence. Trent would probably be the first to tell you that if you're looking to gain wisdom and insight into religion or any other of life's great mysteries, that the lyrics of Nine Inch Nails might not be as good a starting place as a book or a more suited spiritual leader/resource.

Sorry but I just don't understand anyone into the whole star-worshiping thing where they put their favorite rockstars or whomever into such HIGH (pun intended) regard. I admire the work of Ah Cama Sotz but it doesn't make me want to join a satanic cult.

Reading too much into lyrics that are intended as entertainment is just plain silly... But the lyrics "spoke to me". Catalyst for thought or not - REAL self-actualization comes from deep within.

[the eternal]

Influence is one thing... but in the case of HuG... He took the name, most of the lyrics and the music, knowing that HuG had no danger of becoming mainstream, and therefore knowing he could get away with it.... In other words kicking around and taking advantage of the little guy.

Most of what you are describing is not talent however.... it is business sense. Like Marlyn Manson, or Madonna has.

Yes, and I'm broke with a wedding to plan and pay for.

Those who I looked down upon, I am beginning to admire.

(How much for my soul???

I needs me some green!!!)

But yes, the HuG thing was pretty shitty of him.

He still puts ou better music than most of mainstream radio.

I can't say the same for the other two artists you mentioned.

Of course, that's just my humble opinion.

[phee]

Yes, and I'm broke with a wedding to plan and pay for.

Those who I looked down upon, I am beginning to admire.

(How much for my soul???

I needs me some green!!!)

But yes, the HuG thing was pretty shitty of him.

He still puts ou better music than most of mainstream radio.

I can't say the same for the other two artists you mentioned.

Of course, that's just my humble opinion.

I accept your apology

*runs and hides*

[Destroit]

Yeah...Reznor's lyrics could have easily been constructed by anyone that read any religious text. Anyone at all...even me.

I'm very happy you find solace in it, however, and you should continue to do so. I don't think you're crazy for the record, possibly reading too much into things, but each of us is crazy to our own extent. I'm also not trying to discredit what you are claiming because none of us will know until it actually happens and you may be correct for all the public knows.

Personally, however, I don't think Trent's mainstream lyrics are anything significant in being a premonition about the Second Coming. Just a mere coincidence. If he were really a TRUE Christian prophet also...he wouldn't be charging $50 a ticket for a concert. It would be free and of his own volunteering...every action he's ever taken in his career from charging money for his work to LOVING the idolization he receives from many fans (worked on you, didn't it?) is inherrently ANTI-Christian. He should be doing everything from the love of his heart, for free, and in the most humble manner possible.

My two cents...which means collectively we now have four pennies thanks to the other charitable contribution made by The Eternal! Rock on, man!

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Why is everyone so ga-ga over Trent Reznor?

I'll never understand this

You want the "closer to God" style lyrics or the "musical genius" work....go listen to Tomahawk...their about 30 lightyears better then anything Trent has done.

[phee]

Why is everyone so ga-ga over Trent Reznor?

I'll never understand this

You want the "closer to God" style lyrics or the "musical genius" work....go listen to Tomahawk...their about 30 lightyears better then anything Trent has done.

Oh man I like anything Patton touches...

[wilhelm k]

trent has been a wannabe ogre/al since day one.

nothing beats a lame coming up and requesting...

"can you play that song that says i wanna fuck you like an animal".

god i so do not miss upstate,ny.

[jane dazzle]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I still like him.

I can't help it

Here's the thing.

He took Industrial and Metal and made it for people that couldn't stand either genre, by fusing it with more accessible tempos and song structures, and most importantly, understandable and relatable vocals

--a downfall for most bands that don't make it

Or maybe it's NOT a downfall for those bands. Not everyone's goal is to have million-sellers.

He was a band geek that WANTED to make it big.

He crafted his sound very carefully,

and you know what,

it's still better than 95% of the sh^% that makes it on the Clear Channel radio station of your choice.

Is it original or groundbreaking? NO. It wasn't supposed to be.

But, is it better than listening to Taylor Hicks and Hinder?

You're g-ddamn right it is.

It's all how you look at it.

What makes him unique, is he took uncommercial genres and made them commercial.

I don't think Hanzel Und Greytyl expect to go Triple Platinum by spoofing the Third Reich.

Even if it does sound great. (Better than anything Rammstein put out, IMHO)

(I don't listen to them much, because I still can't sing Deutschland Uber Alles, even in jest.

I have my limits, you know)

As far as stealing music, YES that's concerning, but

at least he steals from the best----

(Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Front 242, etc.)

There's absolutely nothing original about She Wants Revenge either, yet I still love their debut album.

WHY?

Because, as opposed to Interpol and AFI, who pretend like they're being original and deep---

She Wants Revenge actually sounds like you're listening to a mix of Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Bowie, and Depeche Mode, and that sure as hell beats whatever crap is passing itself for deep music today.

Or perhaps you want to hear THIS again.

(BTW, if you do click on the link, play it WITH Hanzel Und Gretyl in the background, it sounds A LOT better that way)

My .02

I really like what you said here. I love the music NIN makes and I do not care where the bands influences came from. They are one of my top 5 favs and have been for many, many years and ministry is right up there with them! As for Trent Reznor, I could care less what kind of personality he has as long as he keeps making music. The newest NIN album is amazing btw! Check it out everyone

[Fierce Critter]

Here's my thing.

If I hear a song and I like it - I listen to it.

If I hear a song and I DON'T like it - I don't listen to it.

For the most part, I don't give a rat's ass who the performer is. I don't care what their ulterior motives may be - if any. I don't care where they got their sound from. I don't care what their message is.

I stopped trying to interpret songs a long time ago. I'd rather be entertained by music, not forced into a scholarly study.

Thank you, Michael Stipe, for admitting that in the early years of R.E.M., you were just stringing together a bunch of words that fit, and often changed the "lyrics" from one performance to another to another, 'cause what you said previously didn't make enough sense to be remembered and/or repeated. I can look back and smile at the R.E.M. fanatics I knew who idolized you as a "genius" and fought hard and mighty to enforce their interpretation of your mumbled babbling, while I sat silence thinking, "none of this means shit."

Of course, REM has sucked since "Out of Time." But whatever.

[Brenda Starrr]

Here's my thing.

If I hear a song and I like it - I listen to it.

If I hear a song and I DON'T like it - I don't listen to it.

For the most part, I don't give a rat's ass who the performer is. I don't care what their ulterior motives may be - if any. I don't care where they got their sound from. I don't care what their message is.

I stopped trying to interpret songs a long time ago. I'd rather be entertained by music, not forced into a scholarly study.

Thank you, Michael Stipe, for admitting that in the early years of R.E.M., you were just stringing together a bunch of words that fit, and often changed the "lyrics" from one performance to another to another, 'cause what you said previously didn't make enough sense to be remembered and/or repeated. I can look back and smile at the R.E.M. fanatics I knew who idolized you as a "genius" and fought hard and mighty to enforce their interpretation of your mumbled babbling, while I sat silence thinking, "none of this means shit."

Of course, REM has sucked since "Out of Time." But whatever.

Don't care. Still love them. And I can still hear the kids' dad doing "Driver 8" at parties at his buddy's house....