What To Do With The Town Psycho/sociopath?

[~Tszura~]

After reading GodfallenPromos’s recent thread on the nature of a “true murderer” Read Here I began to think about what to do about these types of people if the truly can not control themselves.

Now I’m not talking about a little anti-social behavior, because we’d all be screwed if that were the case. I’m talking about the hard core nut bag that would shoot you in the face, kick you when your down, rape you bleeding, take your wallet, go to your house, kill your family, go to your work, do the same, and then plan the same thing on someone else for tomorrow.

I am all for rehabilitation, but sometimes people are, indeed, born with different wiring, that will never be able to live peacefully in society. Medication is helpful to a certain extent, but psychopharmacology can not change a persons genetic make-up. So what do we do with someone who will perpetually cause society deep pain, and tremendous trauma?

Do we house them in prison forever where they can teach other, less violent people to be more violent?

Do we put them in solitary confinement? (which in the long run is just as cruel as any act they could commit)

Do we have mercy on them (why would anyone chose to be that way) through euthanization?

Do we drug them to the point where they don’t even know who they are?

Do we put them on an island like the movie No Escape, and leave them to themselves?

Do we lobotomize? (A brain transplant might work, but we’re not exactly there yet.)

Do we expose them to years of "extreme goodness" and hope they will eventually understand what society is about?

I’m not sure there is a humane answer to this at all. Just wondering what everyone thinks.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

nice work....and then...we have to ask the question...in certain cases....do we let it go, because there are no forms of treatment or punishment that seem to fit?

Honestly, because I AM a fan of the character, I would much rather Hannibal Lecter be free. If you understand the character, there are probably many that would agree.

[sass_in_the_pants]

Honestly, because I AM a fan of the character, I would much rather Hannibal Lecter be free. If you understand the character, there are probably many that would agree.

The problem with that, though, is I am certain I would be mighty tasty with some fava beans and nice chianti.

A leper cannot help his disease, either, but we wouldn't let him loose in the general population.

And yes, some people are just born bad. I have never and could never support euthanasia or forcing any changes to a person's body without their permission. I think it's unfortunate, but that would only leave imprisonment as an option.

I do believe every person is capable of changing, as long as there is air in their lungs, a person can change, but would I be confident enough in that statement to allow a dangerous criminal back on the street? No, I'm afraid not.

[Goth Brooks]

You kill them.

There are 6.6 billion people in the world. The loss of someone who believes they have a right to rape won't be missed.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

The problem with that, though, is I am certain I would be mighty tasty with some fava beans and nice chianti.

A leper cannot help his disease, either, but we wouldn't let him loose in the general population.

And yes, some people are just born bad. I have never and could never support euthanasia or forcing any changes to a person's body without their permission. I think it's unfortunate, but that would only leave imprisonment as an option.

I do believe every person is capable of changing, as long as there is air in their lungs, a person can change, but would I be confident enough in that statement to allow a dangerous criminal back on the street? No, I'm afraid not.

but punishment....for what you are...something that cannot be helped?...will we never come farther then this as a society??

lol...and no...not fava beans and a nice Chianti...but maybe like some brussel sprouts and a beer....lol

[Rev.Reverence]

You kill them.

There are 6.6 billion people in the world. The loss of someone who believes they have a right to rape won't be missed.

How very pre-Hammurabi...I like it...

...if a part of your body behaves in a fashion that is contrary to the function of the whole, in this case lashing out in a violent manner, you call it CANCER, and cut it out.....

I will also put forth the theory that such people were once necessary to society era, pre-civilization...

Under the guidance of a Shaman, they would be staunch& voracious warriors/hunters...

[Rev.Reverence]

How very pre-Hammurabi...I like it...

...if a part of your body behaves in a fashion that is contrary to the function of the whole, in this case lashing out in a violent manner, you call it CANCER, and cut it out.....

I will also put forth the theory that such people were once necessary to society era, pre-civilization...

Under the guidance of a Shaman, they would be staunch& voracious warriors/hunters...

On second thought...

I remember Tim Leary had (once upon a time) a program of group therapy on LSD...

..every one HE would release had a great and well adjusted life...THEY shut down his program...

Reference : FLASHBACKS, by, Timothy Leary...(his autobiography)

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

On second thought...

I remember Tim Leary had (once upon a time) a program of group therapy on LSD...

..every one HE would release had a great and well adjusted life...THEY shut down his program...

Reference : FLASHBACKS, by, Timothy Leary...(his autobiography)

kinda makes you wonder if some people even WANT the option of rehabilitation there....

[Rev.Reverence]

kinda makes you wonder if some people even WANT the option of rehabilitation there....

Yes...it does.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Yes...it does.

you know...speaking of which...and trying to stay on topic.... our modern imprisonment is even less of a rehabilitating tool then most other options...I know that my trips to jail never stopped me from doing jack...if anything....I was given NEW methods to do what I was in there for. Prisoners brag about what they did, with usually the more violent becoming more brag-able.

half those guys, if taken to a state/ federal prison, have full cable!!!

Hell....before the execution of Timothy McVey, he was kept in a prison in Cali, in a specific part known as the "bomber wing".

He was housed there with Ted Kasinski (spell?), the guy who did the first world trade center bombing...and some other guy.

Ted was learning turkish from the trade center guy!!!!!

[freydis]

Put them down.

If they are a true sociopath, and don't want to function in a society that considers murder, rape, etc taboo, treat them as you would any other threat to the society (like a rabid animal), and put them down. I'm not an advocate of such an action being used lightly at all, but in some cases i think it has merit.

[ttogreh]

I am a firm believer in the maxim that it is never the right of the state to kill a defenseless person, no matter how horrible they are. The idea of banishment has always appealed to me, but assuming that a society could maintain an island of banishment, how exactly would we determine who goes there?

Would murder be the milestone? Sadistic rape? Unprovoked violence short of murder and rape? Aiding and abetting violent crime?

Littering?

The penal system, as it is administered and designed, is most assuredly broken, and it is a scientific fact that some people just are not born with the right parts, be it nature, nurture, or some combination thereof.

Still, Michigan abolished the death penalty over a hundred years ago, and our crime rate is comparable to that of Illinois, which has a major metropolitan area, rural areas, and the death penalty (well, they have it for now).

Sociopaths and psychopaths... probably would be better off dead. However, doing the "right" thing rarely is the "easy" thing.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

I am a firm believer in the maxim that it is never the right of the state to kill a defenseless person, no matter how horrible they are. The idea of banishment has always appealed to me, but assuming that a society could maintain an island of banishment, how exactly would we determine who goes there?

.....so...Australia Jr.???

[ttogreh]

I was thinking maybe converting Beaver Island into a penal colony. Demolish all buildings, end all food and supply shipments, air drop the banished there, and have it patrolled with Unmanned aerial vehicles from the Air National Guard and quarantined with the help of the coast guard.

Hey, if it was good enough for the Mormons, I suppose it could be good enough for sociopathic killers like those kids that beheaded that guy in the Detroit suburbs, recently...

[Rayne]

Wow .... as the mother of a child diagnosed with severe psychological issues ....

I really don't know.

[ttogreh]

I myself have been diagnosed with mild Asperger's Syndrome, Rayne. I find violence to be just as horrible as the next man. We are not our foibles... we are our actions to overcome... or to succumb to them.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

If there is a way to treat them....treat them....

Banishment should ONLY be a "last resort" right above execution.

[Goth Brooks]

I am a firm believer in the maxim that it is never the right of the state to kill a defenseless person

I would like to think that someone who has the propensity for murder, rape, etc has proven that they are far from defenseless.

Society has to think of itself as a body, and that means culling sickness if it cannot be cured.

Would you leave a rotted limb attached that cannot be cured? It'll invariably spread and kill the whole.

[Rev.Reverence]

Wow .... as the mother of a child diagnosed with severe psychological issues ....

I really don't know.

I have 'severe' psychological issues*...I don't kill people...I don't rape...I don't steal.

*Scitzo-Affective-Manic-Depressive-ADHD-Implosive-Disorder

..and I dare to say, if THEY don't treat the 'madd dogs' they should have the decency to enact MERCY.

..It's all hypothetical anyways...none ever listen to the crazy shaman in the corner anyways...

[ttogreh]

Goth Brooks, I submit that whenever someone is strapped in to a gurney, awaiting to be injected with drugs that will kill him or her, that that person is "Defenseless".

As for the idea that "society is a unified body"... that is a bit fascistic, thank you very much.

[Rayne]

I myself have been diagnosed with mild Asperger's Syndrome, Rayne. I find violence to be just as horrible as the next man. We are not our foibles... we are our actions to overcome... or to succumb to them.

My oldest son has mild Asperger's as well.

My oldest daughter, however, has ADHD, ODD, Adjustment Disorder with mixed construences of emotions, PTSD, Rage Disorder and they have speculated she is Bi-Polar but she's too young to treat, they say. She has Psychotic tendencies and up until recently was on anti-psychotics. They recently weaned her off to try her on another but haven't started the new one yet.

All hell has broke loose in our household because she's off half of her medication.

[freydis]

Wow .... as the mother of a child diagnosed with severe psychological issues ....

I really don't know.

See though.... even those with severe psychological issues can learn how to properly behave and function in society.

[Goth Brooks]

As for the idea that "society is a unified body"... that is a bit fascistic, thank you very much.

Society is a unified body. That's the point of a society.

And there is absolutely nothing fascistic about it.

I submit that whenever someone is strapped in to a gurney, awaiting to be injected with drugs that will kill him or her, that that person is "Defenseless".

Then you are referring to the moment, I wasn't.

You also refer to an Island of Banishment. Which I can't really fathom. So are you saying it's not the right of the state to quickly, painlessly, end the life of someone who has destroyed others. But it is the right of the state to banish that same individual to a life of hunger and survival amongst his own kind?

That is severely sadistic. Not saying I'm against it, I actually like the idea. But it just doesn't seem to fit with the rest of your opinions in this thread (or others).

[Rev.Reverence]

My oldest son has mild Asperger's as well.

My oldest daughter, however, has ADHD, ODD, Adjustment Disorder with mixed construences of emotions, PTSD, Rage Disorder and they have speculated she is Bi-Polar but she's too young to treat, they say. She has Psychotic tendencies and up until recently was on anti-psychotics. They recently weaned her off to try her on another but haven't started the new one yet.

All hell has broke loose in our household because she's off half of her medication.

As a child she has time to 'adjust' and learn 'releases' that are socially acceptable...

I as a child was not helped but further hindered...

If I could find MY own way through my own hellish disorders, I think (because she has such a wonderful support system), she should adjust quite fine...

P.S. there are natural herbs for that...

[hunhee]

Wow, this is where my liberal roots fail me.

If I believed in hell, let them burn in eternal fucking hell (that would not be good enough for them, but it's a start). Since I don't believe in any of that, them being dead is better than letting them live, at least for society, although sometimes I think living is more punishment than dying (my philosophy on death).

It doesn't matter if they don't know right from wrong, there's no place in society for people like this.

Okay, the island thing is pretty clever, but umm.. that would cost a shit ton of money to monitor.

I know, we can do like Battle Royal style (except with criminals and not outcast kids).. now THAT would be entertainment. Make it Pay Per View..heh