$1,000 to get your tubes tied?

[sass_in_the_pants]

Metairie State Rep. considers offering poor women an incentive

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

A Metairie legislator is revisiting the controversial idea of paying poor women to undergo sterilization.

State Representative John LaBruzzo says the program he is thinking about would be voluntary. It would pay poor women $1,000 to have their fallopian tubes tied.

To avoid a possible gender complaint, LaBruzzo says the same deal could be offered to men who have a vasectomy.

LaBruzzo, a Metairie Republican, says the plan could slow the growth of welfare rolls.

But critics of such plans have long said the idea is racist. Sheila Griffin, interim director of the New Orleans Women's Health Clinic, criticized the idea as targeting poor black women and said better proposals to aid the poor would be to raise the minimum wage while improving education, labor laws and health care.

(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

[torn asunder]

it's not racism on the part of the "offerer", it's greed on the part of the "offeree"... shit, for a grand, i'd go in tomorrow!

[SeraphBastille]

not in a million years is another knife going anywhere close to my nuts....

[Rev.Reverence]

I think it a 'classist' ploy...it's conception could have been racially motivated...but there is no real way to find out.

[Msterbeau]

I got mine done free. Just have a hernia that needs operating on.

[freydis]

People might actually take advantage of it if it were offered. It would actually bring the abortion rate down, too. 60 percent of abortions in 2004 were among women who already had children.

[SeraphBastille]

People might actually take advantage of it if it were offered. It would actually bring the abortion rate down, too. 60 percent of abortions in 2004 were among women who already had children.

your right....but the procedure to reverse this for women has yet to be perfected...nor is it a pure fix.

My ex fiance...she had her tubed tied...apperantly they CAN come undone...it is rare, but it can happen...cuz she was pregnant....course fucking like rabbits doesn't help....but we thought that "hey..she's tied..no problem"...yeah...BIG problem if the rare occurs.

of course, I am talking about rare instances...and she had it done in her mid 20's..so like...over 14 years ago.

[freydis]

your right....but the procedure to reverse this for women has yet to be perfected...nor is it a pure fix.

My ex fiance...she had her tubed tied...apperantly they CAN come undone...it is rare, but it can happen...cuz she was pregnant....course fucking like rabbits doesn't help....but we thought that "hey..she's tied..no problem"...yeah...BIG problem if the rare occurs.

of course, I am talking about rare instances...and she had it done in her mid 20's..so like...over 14 years ago.

Definately not perfected, and as for having it reversed.... most doctors wont do it on a young woman who hasnt had any kids. So, its a procedure more often done on someone who has had children already, and doesnt want any more.

[SeraphBastille]

Definately not perfected, and as for having it reversed.... most doctors wont do it on a young woman who hasnt had any kids. So, its a procedure more often done on someone who has had children already, and doesnt want any more.

true...she already had 2....and I do think it's a wonderful choice rather then abortion....I would highly recommend that women go for tube ties over abortion

also, there are medical cases where you can get your tubes tied without having kids, and still be a young woman without kids. If you have a...for lack of a better term...fucked up womb, where having kids will kill you, and this is in your medical records, you can get tied...that is a viable option given.

[pomba gira]

Definately not perfected, and as for having it reversed.... most doctors wont do it on a young woman who hasnt had any kids. So, its a procedure more often done on someone who has had children already, and doesnt want any more.

True dat... I got mine done at age 22, but was fortunate enough to be in California at the time and find a sympathetic female doc who accepted my reasons for wanting it done. Many aren't so lucky; I'm currently advising a few young women I met on 43 Things about finding docs who will perform a TL on a young or childless woman. All kinds of insidious ways they deny women control of their own bodies... the way I see it, if you're old enough to decide to risk being maimed or killed in a war, you're certainly able to decide that parenthood is something you don't want to do.

As for the original topic... well, it's a touchy subject because of the abuses with coerced and forced sterilization in the past. But sounds like a damn good idea once you've worked with a few fetal alcohol syndrome, crack baby, or just plain neglected children. I was a big admirer of that woman in Cali who was paying crack addicted women $300 to have TLs done. Money well spent.

[TitsMcGee]

I know a girl who just had her 4th boy, and she's only 23 years old. When she had this last one they tied her tubes, because she really doesn't want anymore kids. Don't get me wrong I love this girl, she's one of my friends and I've expressed this opinion to her already. I wish she would have had it done sooner, because she can't afford to take care of them without welfare and she really doesn't get much for child support because she picked some real winners for boyfriends. She's a smart girl who is in college so I know one day she's going to be able to make something of herself, but with being so young, 4 kids are holding her back since she has no family around to help her.

Also makes you think about families who have 6+ kids, and what the hell were they thinking.

[Rayne]

your right....but the procedure to reverse this for women has yet to be perfected...nor is it a pure fix.

My ex fiance...she had her tubed tied...apperantly they CAN come undone...it is rare, but it can happen...cuz she was pregnant....course fucking like rabbits doesn't help....but we thought that "hey..she's tied..no problem"...yeah...BIG problem if the rare occurs.

of course, I am talking about rare instances...and she had it done in her mid 20's..so like...over 14 years ago.

This is very true. It's actually not that rare if you have it done young to have it come "undone". Usually the body naturally heals itself over time.

I had a tubal ligation in 2004, after my fourth child (I was 25). By early 2007, my body (despite all my medical issues) had rehealed itself and I had to be placed back on birth control pills.

[Destroit]

Holy...FUCK!

Where do I sign up?

[hunhee]

This is quite possibly the best idea EVER!!!

What are the studies on STDs and women/men who think they're "safe"? That's what I want to know.

I can see it now.. "it's ok for us to fuck, I had a TL" and then she gets AIDS?

[Destroit]

As for the original topic... well, it's a touchy subject because of the abuses with coerced and forced sterilization in the past. But sounds like a damn good idea once you've worked with a few fetal alcohol syndrome, crack baby, or just plain neglected children. I was a big admirer of that woman in Cali who was paying crack addicted women $300 to have TLs done. Money well spent.

+1

My cousin married this nasty trashy biotch and was unfortunate enough to knock her up (this was her PLOY, since she was just trying to be a hick golddigger) and have two kids by her. They're divorced now...but it's too late. She's fucking mean to the kids, screeches at them when SHE'S had a bad day, smoked and drank through her pregnancy saying that her doctor told her she could (which is bullshit, that doctor needs to be shot if that were true, so she was probably just lying), etc. Just mean, awful, and neglectful toward those kids.

My other cousins and I used to joke around and say that one day we should sneak into her trailer, knock her unconcious with one of her ashtrays, and give her a TL . But if the govt takes care of that now, that's awesome. Some people shouldn't have kids, and I'm sorry, but I've known poor people my whole life and many of them are abusive/neglectful toward their kids. Now this isn't always the case, since I grew up kinda poor and so did Pestillence and we both had caring mothers who were basically always down on their luck, but it's sad to say that many other poor kids are just product of crack-moms or just plain careless/neglectful moms. I've seen it too many times with my own eyes to ignore.

I don't think this is "classist" or anything either, I believe they're offering this to POOR women for the sheer reason that RICH women also get TLs...they just have the money to pay for it. So not only are they giving poor women a second chance at starting over, they're giving them a little bit of ummph in their wallet to help. Or for crack...whichever. Win-win imo.

[Destroit]

This is quite possibly the best idea EVER!!!

What are the studies on STDs and women/men who think they're "safe"? That's what I want to know.

I can see it now.. "it's ok for us to fuck, I had a TL" and then she gets AIDS?

This will be harsh, but imo, anyone that fucks without a condom and isn't in a purely monogamous relationship is asking for AIDS, and I never feel one bit of sorry for them.

So after the TL, imo, when it comes to STDs they're on their own. If they get HIV it's their own dumbass fault.

[Rev.Reverence]

This is quite possibly the best idea EVER!!!

What are the studies on STDs and women/men who think they're "safe"? That's what I want to know.

I can see it now.. "it's ok for us to fuck, I had a TL" and then she gets AIDS?

That is called population control through mass stupidity...

Did you notice that on BC pills advertisements they say "does not stop std's"... also on the Enzite, & Cialis...

[Rev.Reverence]

It would pay poor women $1,000 to have their fallopian tubes tied.

It will PAY THEM...that seemed a bit NWO...it's not like they would just give these girls an operation for free..that would be helpful...THIS..is population control..

[Goth Brooks]

the world needs population control.

especially among the poor. or haven't people noticed the correlation between poor/uneducated and number of children per house hold.

[Destroit]

the world needs population control.

especially among the poor. or haven't people noticed the correlation between poor/uneducated and number of children per house hold.

Mike Judge sure has...genius.

[pomba gira]

This is quite possibly the best idea EVER!!!

What are the studies on STDs and women/men who think they're "safe"? That's what I want to know.

I can see it now.. "it's ok for us to fuck, I had a TL" and then she gets AIDS?

I don't know if anyone's done research on STD rates with specific forms of contraception... but I do know that STD rates shot up when use of OCs became widespread and people stopped using condoms. I suspect nowadays it doesn't make much difference... in my experience people who abstain for fear of consequences are usually worried about STDs rather than pregnancy. Also, women who have TLs are more likely to be in a monogamous relationship, so they aren't really high risk anyway.

[sass_in_the_pants]

Does anyone here think this smacks of eugenics?

I'm just speculatin here....

[Troy Spiral (13)]

I would need more details about the specifics, but in general I'm all for it. Its well documented that X personalities tend to breed more of X type of children. The less educated and less motivated also tend to be the biggest breeders. Bad for mankind in the long term. Does it hold true in every case? No it doesn't. That does not change the overall fact of the matter though. The fact that this is voluntary is genius. Helps to sidestep at least in part, a lot of the other things that "eugenics" type ideas tend to conjure up.

Unfortunately this kind of very useful idea has a bad reputation historically for its very diabolical uses in times past and I'm doubting it has any real chance anytime soon.

Does it seem inhuman or some how "evil" to some? I know it does. But believe me, I'm for it because I care about humanity, and am willing to suffer some of the negative feedback one tends to get that supports this type thing.

[eleven]

I tend to agree with the process. It can have a very positive effect on the nation

[Rev.Reverence]

Does anyone here think this smacks of eugenics?

I'm just speculatin here....

There's nothing wrong with eugenics...just some peoples tried to apply it in an un-cool way...& then there were the NAZIS...

Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention.[2] Throughout history, eugenics has been regarded by its various advocates as a social responsibility, an altruistic stance of a society, meant to create healthier, stronger and/or more intelligent people, to save resources, and lessen human suffering.

I used Eugenic principles in picking a mate. Breeding a healthy child was a very important thing on my list of things to do.

FROM HERE

The plan of the eugenics movement was that since the poor had these genes for feeblemindedness, which led them to misery, vice, and crime, the obvious solution to American social problems was to sterilize them, and restrict the immigration of more poor.

Hm...yuperz...that sure sounds along the same lines...but they are trying NOT to look like they are doing what they are doing...politicians..sheesh.