World Overpopulation Awareness.....

[Oh_My_Goth]

You should read this stuff and think on it.....

This is a very serious problem.....

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Below is a small excerpt from the site.....

The Earth's Life-support System is in Peril - a Global Crisis. Our planet is changing and many environmental indicators have moved outside their range of the past half-million years. If we cannot develop policies to cope with this, the consequences may be huge. We have made progress. Life expectancy and standards of living have increased for many, but the population has grown to six billion, and continues to grow. The global economy has increased 15-fold since 1950 and this progress has begun to affect the planet and how it functions. For example, the increase in CO2 is 100 PPM and growing. During the 1990's, the average area of tropical forest cleared each year was equivalent to half the area of England. The impacts of global change are complex, as they combine with regional environmental stresses. Coral reefs, which were under stress from fishing, tourism and pollutants, are now under pressure from carbonate chemistry in ocean surface waters from the increase in CO2. The wildfires that hit the world last year were a result of land management, ignition sources and extreme local weather probably linked to climate change. Poor access to fresh water is expected to nearly double with population growth. Biodiversity losses, will be exacerbated by climate change. Beyond 2050, regional climate change, could have huge consequences. The Earth has entered the Anthropocene Era in which humans are a dominating environmental force. Global environmental change challenges the political decision-making process and will have to be based on risks that events will happen, or scenarios will unfold. Global environmental change is often gradual until critical thresholds are passed. Some rapid changes such as the melting of the Greenland ice sheet would be irreversible in any meaningful timescale, while other changes may be unstoppable. We know that there are risks of rapid and irreversible changes to which it would be difficult to adapt. Incremental change will not prevent climate change, water depletion, deforestation or biodiversity loss. Breakthroughs in technologies and resource management that will affect economic sectors and lifestyles are required. International frameworks are essential for addressing global change. Never before has a multilateral system been more necessary. Will we accept the challenge or wait until a catastrophic, irreversible change is upon us?

No mention of the success that voluntary family planning has been, and how meeting the unmet need for contraception and reducing maternal and infant mortality is vitally important for reducing population growth fast enough. January 20, 2004 Herald, The (UK) 009604

[Oh_My_Goth]

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[Homicidalheathen]

but everyone has to have their own babies...when will it end...when a disease wiped us out?

[SaGa]

but everyone has to have their own babies...when will it end...when a disease wiped us out?

amarica isnt the problem, our population isnt exactly big. and isnt going to be. blame china and india and a few others who have a HIGH fertility rate per woman. things are being taken care of. the problem with depopulation is when it goes to fast where the olderer outnumber the young workers. theres a void and unbalenced situation.

look up japans population, and there projected future with having a 1.2 fertility rate, thats almost halfing the population in 35 years. once the older retire and the economy lacks a strong workforce. while keeping the old system going

look at detroit and how many fled the city also

[Destroit]

amarica isnt the problem, our population isnt exactly big. and isnt going to be. blame china and india and a few others who have a HIGH fertility rate per woman. things are being taken care of. the problem with depopulation is when it goes to fast where the olderer outnumber the young workers. theres a void and unbalenced situation.

look up japans population, and there projected future with having a 1.2 fertility rate, thats almost halfing the population in 35 years. once the older retire and the economy lacks a strong workforce. while keeping the old system going

look at detroit and how many fled the city also

Yes, but one can assume that China's population probably has, but will if it hasn't, decreased due to the fact that one couple can only have one child. So their population will literally start being halved.

Now if only we can have India follow suit...would never ever happen though considering just their culture in general. All we can hope is that their society will move away from older notions and become more like the west in that it will be more convenient to have fewer children than more. Obviously this would incinuate that they would need to be less rural in much of that region and live more in cities and suburbs working either factory type work or skilled service type jobs.

[sass_in_the_pants]

You might be relieved to read up on Thomas Sowell.

Or Julian Simon's book The Ultimate Resource.

He argues that higher population density leads to more specialization and therefore, technological advancement.

He also compares countries by population density and proves there is NO correlation between population density and poverty and famine.

If you instead rank countries in order of government corruption, it all lines up easy peesy lemony squeezy.

[sass_in_the_pants]

Also, interestingly, Malthus predicted we would run out of resources WAY WAY WAY before now.

Huh.

Wonder why we didn't....

[Homicidalheathen]

my friends kids maintanence guy just killed himself and his cat, supposably cause he was poor...it was in clawson someplace...guess he was an alcoholic but couldn't afford food....? Sad, but the cat thing...just weird.

http://www.euthanasia.com/

http://www.topix.com/news/suicide/2008/09

[Hellion]

Six and a half billion people,and still growing.

[Oh_My_Goth]

You might be relieved to read up on Thomas Sowell.

Or Julian Simon's book The Ultimate Resource.

He argues that higher population density leads to more specialization and therefore, technological advancement.

He also compares countries by population density and proves there is NO correlation between population density and poverty and famine.

If you instead rank countries in order of government corruption, it all lines up easy peesy lemony squeezy.

That is some crusty old crap to be comparing to modern society.....

[Oh_My_Goth]

Also, interestingly, Malthus predicted we would run out of resources WAY WAY WAY before now.

Huh.

Wonder why we didn't....

Allot of people predict things wrong.....What's your point?????

[Oh_My_Goth]

amarica isnt the problem, our population isnt exactly big. and isnt going to be. blame china and india and a few others who have a HIGH fertility rate per woman. things are being taken care of. the problem with depopulation is when it goes to fast where the olderer outnumber the young workers. theres a void and unbalenced situation.

look up japans population, and there projected future with having a 1.2 fertility rate, thats almost halfing the population in 35 years. once the older retire and the economy lacks a strong workforce. while keeping the old system going

look at detroit and how many fled the city also

THIS looks like a significant part of the problem.....

[SaGa]

Yes, but one can assume that China's population probably has, but will if it hasn't, decreased due to the fact that one couple can only have one child. So their population will literally start being halved.

Now if only we can have India follow suit...would never ever happen though considering just their culture in general. All we can hope is that their society will move away from older notions and become more like the west in that it will be more convenient to have fewer children than more. Obviously this would incinuate that they would need to be less rural in much of that region and live more in cities and suburbs working either factory type work or skilled service type jobs.

thats why i noted things are being taken care of in chinas case. (i should be more specific when writing) but we should move the china case to the eugenics post. as that mandate alone put fear in many eyes about mass population control

[SaGa]

THIS looks like a significant part of the problem.....

300 mil with a 2.9mil square miles without alaska. so its about 100 people to square mile. 1,100 mil to 1.3mil square miles. is about 850 people to square mile. we are not even close to the level seen on the other side of the globe. we dont have there problem. and wont for a long time. if ever with non war population control devices being worked on.

[Rev.Reverence]

Also, interestingly, Malthus predicted we would run out of resources WAY WAY WAY before now.

Huh.

Wonder why we didn't....

No matter how his numbers may have seemed to be well calculated.....he lived a long time ago..

...WWI & WWII may have made us not run out of space...

[freydis]

Yes, but one can assume that China's population probably has, but will if it hasn't, decreased due to the fact that one couple can only have one child. So their population will literally start being halved.

Now if only we can have India follow suit...would never ever happen though considering just their culture in general. All we can hope is that their society will move away from older notions and become more like the west in that it will be more convenient to have fewer children than more. Obviously this would incinuate that they would need to be less rural in much of that region and live more in cities and suburbs working either factory type work or skilled service type jobs.

....its not so much that one couple can only have one child, Cher, but that they can only *keep* one. That's why Chinese orphanages are overflowing with girl babies for adoption.

[Oh_My_Goth]

300 mil with a 2.9mil square miles without alaska. so its about 100 people to square mile. 1,100 mil to 1.3mil square miles. is about 850 people to square mile. we are not even close to the level seen on the other side of the globe. we dont have there problem. and wont for a long time. if ever with non war population control devices being worked on.

There is a reason those areas are not populated.....

Partly due to the fact they don't support crops.....

We are going to run out of food.

[SaGa]

not much we can do about population control if it happens. now the only thing is not the population. its how wasteful each person is with there land. and golf courses. the most wasteful sport ever, is infact golfing

[Simon Bar Sinister]

Outside of southern Asia, no region is really overpopulated. The principal underlying problem of starvation is transportation. It's too difficult to get food to people in many regions of the world.

[Rev.Reverence]

Outside of southern Asia, no region is really overpopulated. The principal underlying problem of starvation is transportation. It's too difficult to get food to people in many regions of the world.

..between this & destroying a portion of every years crop....SO IT DRIVES UP THE COST...I believe we are at the heart of the matter...

[SaGa]

..between this & destroying a portion of every years crop....SO IT DRIVES UP THE COST...I believe we are at the heart of the matter...

accually food prices are indirectly linked to gas prices. well when crops is a concern. sure supply and demand plays a part of it. but our supply isnt exactly strained.

most of our fertilizers and pesticides come from oil, same with the gas to run the farm equipment. and shipping foods 3000 miles to its destination. of course the use of oil in food has made crop yields 10 times more then there sunlight only grown crops and now these genetically enhanced crops grow at a higher rate. this has wiped away the notion in the past that india will go through a severe famine that once was thought to be unavoidable

all of this isnt without fear, as the crop yields incress to meet population, more risk is involved. people worried that a shortage in fertilizers and pesticides are a bit more justified then running out of crop room. also the fact crop rotation isnt being needed anymore, has put a dependance on that oil. most our farming land isnt able to grow crops in the pre 20th century method.

[Rev.Reverence]

accually food prices are indirectly linked to gas prices. well when crops is a concern. sure supply and demand plays a part of it. but our supply isnt exactly strained.

most of our fertilizers and pesticides come from oil, same with the gas to run the farm equipment. and shipping foods 3000 miles to its destination. of course the use of oil in food has made crop yields 10 times more then there sunlight only grown crops. and now these genetically enhanced crops grow at a higher rate. this has wiped away the notion in the past that india will go through a severe famine that once was thought to be unavoidable

all of this isnt without fear, as the crop yields incress to meet population, more risk is involved. people worried that a shortage in fertilizers and pesticides are a bit more justified then running out of crop room.

...no dude...I'm talking about a common practice that has gone on for a long time...I heard about it YEARS ago...they compost so much of the crop..& spill so much milk on the ground...& there are people who don't eat enough in this country...then we (our beneficent government) give away food & $ to other "less fortunate countries" in the name of Humanitarian effort...but it is just really a big PR scam.....

Further more...they (gov) also pay some farmers NOT to grow crops...don't argue this one bro...I know what I read.

SO...you are right about one thing...we ain't runnin' out of room; BUT, kids are still starving.

[SaGa]

...no dude...I'm talking about a common practice that has gone on for a long time...I heard about it YEARS ago...they compost so much of the crop..& spill so much milk on the ground...& there are people who don't eat enough in this country...then we (our beneficent government) give away food & $ to other "less fortunate countries" in the name of Humanitarian effort...but it is just really a big PR scam.....

Further more...they (gov) also pay some farmers NOT to grow crops...don't argue this one bro...I know what I read.

SO...you are right about one thing...we ain't runnin' out of room; BUT, kids are still starving.

this on the other hand is also true. more about morals then ability.

something more along the lines of what alex jones whould investigate. and plug it into the new world order agenda

[Rev.Reverence]

this on the other hand is also true. more about morals then ability.

something more along the lines of what alex jones whould investigate. and plug it into the new world order agenda

...did you see this?

[sass_in_the_pants]

Allot of people predict things wrong.....What's your point?????

He is the founder of this whole overpopulation theory. That's my point.