Why Vote For Obama?

[Destroit]

If we didn't have people abusing the system, the resources would be there for the people that need it.

As for a social form of healthcare no thank you ... If I get cancer I want to be able to have surgery right away if needed, not sit on a waiting list while I am in pain and pretty much dying. Even if its leaves me in debt, at least I will be alive.

Hold on, must thread jack for two seconds:

Meg, common sense FTW! Keep up the good work...err thought processes rather.

[phee]

Meg is good

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

If we didn't have people abusing the system, the resources would be there for the people that need it.

As for a social form of healthcare no thank you ... If I get cancer I want to be able to have surgery right away if needed, not sit on a waiting list while I am in pain and pretty much dying. Even if its leaves me in debt, at least I will be alive.

Back to the subject at hand, I really don't know why you should vote for Obama Gaf, that is a very personal choice. I have been going through, issue to issue, policy to policy and still feel a bit undecided.

I think I am going to end up for Obama just because of his stance on education, McCain isn't very strong on his education stance, and well, I think education of our youth is probably the MOST important thing. Look at where we are, its sad. We have this idea in america that Mediocrity is OK , that needs TO CHANGE. And soon, or the rest of the world is going to leave us in the dust.

Very nicely thought out.

I must let you know though, no matter what anyone says here, my mind has been made up for a week or so now. I have actually heard enough to make a somewhat confident vote. Hearing reason's why others are are supporting a candidate lets me see into the heart and minds of my fellow country men. That knowledge does feed into the crazy logic paths my mind takes when forming opinions on social/economic/political/diplomatic ideas/events/policies.

[Nevar (5)]

I'm voting for Colbert!

[Homicidalheathen]

50 bucks e4xtra for everything right off the bat cause i am latex allergic?

5 bucks for a gauze pad...

you should see how my hospital bills read, its like how they spend money in the millitary, you know the 500 dollar hammer stories...

and yes some people seem to be able to fool doctors while others are denied

but it would take more money to fix the system

i pay 900 a month for 4 peoples blue cross

its killing us

thats more than my mortgage

and i almost died once while they tried to figure out whats wrong anyway...

i hear the long waits are a rumor

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Told by Canadians in American hospitals paying out of pocket for surgery they could not get in Canada.

[Rev.Reverence]

i pay 900 a month for 4 peoples blue cross

its killing us

thats more than my mortgage

...& that is how THEY get the money to be distributed in such an unequal fashion.

People that don't do much work, sit at the top whilst their minions throw $ up the chain...that they take from the peoples...

[cptdeath]

i having experience in politics see a man who is making a sacrafice to serve and help others. two years ago this man constantly refused to run infront of growing crowds of democrats and republicans alike. people who demmanded a new voice to represent them. It took this combination of two parties and an ever growing crowd in Illinois alot of chanting and letter wrighting to convince this man to make the sacrafices necessary to run for president. to subjegate him and his family to the persecution of fame, to the attacks and constant slander we all know he has to endure. (to this day this man refuses and rejects money from lobbiest for his belief is to represent us not them). It's this mans belief that have drawn so many to urge him to represent us. his self sacrafice to serve us should be a decision worthy of respect.

If you were to approach obama and hold a conversation with the guy I bet he would just sit and listen to what you would have to say. were as some people are to busy talking to listen.

this guy is a response, an adaptation, our gov continues to evolve. at some point things will change. I know you want a defenition how about revolution like the beatles song. I really think he's going to do the best he can for me and my fellow american.

It's the people that demmand this. it's our voice through who ever to the rest of the world, is this the guy for the job. do you go with the public servent or the alternative. some people are willing to win at any cost without even knowing why. this is the guy who we can't afford to let lose.

elections are fixed anyway I don't hold out much hope for any non republican ever winning again. there is just to much tear gas and not enough masks for the general voters. if this election process really continues to be a fraud then how long till the situation evolves again like it says in the second ammendment.

[SaGa]

elections are fixed anyway I don't hold out much hope for any non republican ever winning again. there is just to much tear gas and not enough masks for the general voters. if this election process really continues to be a fraud then how long till the situation evolves again like it says in the second ammendment.

im sure all the states malitia are recruiting at a much faster pace. crisis. goverment getting more dirt in its gears. constituional goverment is dying and the bi-partisan is making the ideals of people even more hard to follow

[Mizuna]

First thing first, I am not American or even a citizen of or live in USA.

Due to this I don't get the same amount of coverage on what is really happening in the political races or their key policies but really just what I see on the news or read when I am bored from time to time.

One of the main reasons I would vote for Obama is actaully due to his inexpereience. The experienced tend to continue to do things the same as they always have been. With the current financial crisis I feel that Obama would be making the right choice by redistributing wealth. Sadly the majority who hear of this aren't educated and seem to think it is to do with socialism. It however is to do with basic economic theory. A past President (Being Franklin D. Roosevelt) also took this approach to fixing the economy. Obama states he wishes to fix the economy by redistributing wealth, generally speaking it would require there to be more government expenditure. Its the same reason why there are booms during war time, more soilders are employed and more equipment and purchased, thus more wealth is redistributed by the government. No there is no need to stay in Iraq, spending on education or health care or anything along the line that leave money in the pockets of regular employees to respend into the economy would help.

Yes assisting the banks may be veiwed as being a socialist, but he was not the only one pushing for it to succeed. Another reason although stupid and unfounded would be that democrates tend to boost the economy while in office and republicans tend to cause it to turn into a bearish or close to bearish market.

I don't really know much else about what is happening so I can't really comment on it, because all I really hear about is irrelvent slander/information (i.e. Sarah Palins clothes) when it comes to voting.

I would like to say however that just because Obama thinks it is up to woman to decide (Yes the person who is actually caring the baby) if they should abort or not, does not mean he is pro abortion or pro killing babies, its called pro-choice, and unlike McCain who wishes to attain pious voters by such comments as abortions are bad :(, is actually anti-choice. I enjoy hearing about how America is the land of free, esspecially when it invovles people telling others waht to do when its life decisions.

[sass_in_the_pants]

I would like to say however that just because Obama thinks it is up to woman to decide (Yes the person who is actually caring the baby) if they should abort or not, does not mean he is pro abortion or pro killing babies, its called pro-choice, and unlike McCain who wishes to attain pious voters by such comments as abortions are bad :(, is actually anti-choice. I enjoy hearing about how America is the land of free, esspecially when it invovles people telling others waht to do when its life decisions.

Does the baby get a choice?

I agree, America isn't the land of the free.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

First thing first, I am not American or even a citizen of or live in USA.

Due to this I don't get the same amount of coverage on what is really happening in the political races or their key policies but really just what I see on the news or read when I am bored from time to time.

One of the main reasons I would vote for Obama is actaully due to his inexpereience. The experienced tend to continue to do things the same as they always have been. With the current financial crisis I feel that Obama would be making the right choice by redistributing wealth. Sadly the majority who hear of this aren't educated and seem to think it is to do with socialism. It however is to do with basic economic theory. A past President (Being Franklin D. Roosevelt) also took this approach to fixing the economy. Obama states he wishes to fix the economy by redistributing wealth, generally speaking it would require there to be more government expenditure. Its the same reason why there are booms during war time, more soilders are employed and more equipment and purchased, thus more wealth is redistributed by the government. No there is no need to stay in Iraq, spending on education or health care or anything along the line that leave money in the pockets of regular employees to respend into the economy would help.

Yes assisting the banks may be veiwed as being a socialist, but he was not the only one pushing for it to succeed. Another reason although stupid and unfounded would be that democrates tend to boost the economy while in office and republicans tend to cause it to turn into a bearish or close to bearish market.

I don't really know much else about what is happening so I can't really comment on it, because all I really hear about is irrelvent slander/information (i.e. Sarah Palins clothes) when it comes to voting.

I would like to say however that just because Obama thinks it is up to woman to decide (Yes the person who is actually caring the baby) if they should abort or not, does not mean he is pro abortion or pro killing babies, its called pro-choice, and unlike McCain who wishes to attain pious voters by such comments as abortions are bad :(, is actually anti-choice. I enjoy hearing about how America is the land of free, esspecially when it invovles people telling others waht to do when its life decisions.

Did you know that Roosevelt's "New Deal" is credited with making the Great Depression last longer than it should have?

Democrats in power boost the economy? Then why is it that every time a Democrat is elected... or it is even thought that a Democrat might get elected.. stock values drop like a rock? Why does government revenue drop every time Democrats come into power even though they raise taxes?

As for the abortion thing, Obama is Pro-Abortion, not Pro-Choice. His vote to make it legal to kill babys that are born after a failed abortion attempt says it all. I'm not sure how often that happens... but it happens often enough that we have to have laws to say what to do with the baby when it does.

[Rev.Reverence]

Did you know that Roosevelt's "New Deal" is credited with making the Great Depression last longer than it should have?

...do you have a link to a report..or some such things I can read up on?

..I am just curious to learn about it...THANX.

[taysteewonderbunny]

1. because he is very intelligent

2. because he is passionate about his ideals

3. because his economic policy makes more sense than anyone else's. Dude, even GREENSPAN admitted that there is something errant about the philosophy Greenspan himself promoted that banks and corporations would regulate themselves in response to the guidance of the "invisible hand". He just now noticed that it does NOT work that way?

Subpoint A: We do not have a free market. We have oligopolies. Oligopolies work somewhere in between monopolistic markets and free markets, and when deregulated, lean closer to monopolistic markets.

Subpoint B: Socialism is NOT communism. I can see that I am going to have to make a completely separate post explaining this one. But, in short, socialism is the tenet that there are things that are essential to the commonwealth (commonwealth--not the wealth in common, but the weal in common, or wellbeing of ALL) that requires cooperation of all interested parties to supply. On perhaps the smallest of scales, its like sharing dinner with your family or splitting rent with a roommate. Least uncontested examples on larger scales is taxes for roads, quality control of the food industry, public schools and universities, regulation of pharmaceutical companies, but there are extremists who would like to see these undone for which all but the most wealthy would certainly suffer.

Subpoint C: his tax plan would actually lessen the tax burden on most of the populace

Subpoint D: his tax plan would close loopholes that allows the most wealthy to pay substantially less taxes than the current tax code overtly states they should be paying but don't. With these loopholes, there are actually billions of dollars lost annually. Yet, Americans making less than $100,000 annually are MORE likely to be audited than these tax skirters.

4. because our healthcare situation in this country has become most dire. An inordinate amount of Americans have NO health coverage. And far too many have too little health coverage. The end result is that those who want to pay CAN'T and end up filing for bankruptcy while emergency rooms all over the country become overwhelmed with people with no coverage and no means to pay who come in with illnesses that could have been prevented. And those emergency room visits DO end up being our tax burden anyway. Our unwillingness to socialize medicine has placed us near the bottom of quality of life in developed nations. This has GOT to change. But Obama isn't actually socializing medicine. For those who are terrified of the word socialism, understand that Obama's idea is sort of middle ground in that it funds private enterprises with enough money and subscribers to try to reduce the costs overall to all insured parties. I don't know if it will work, but I know that we have to at least try something.

5. because the Democratic and Republican parties are NOT the same party. Sure, they both have some two-faced, silver spoonfed, whoremongering windbags. It's politics. It's kind of hard to avoid. But when you look at the ideals of the parties, the distinctions become clear. And these distinctions shape the policies and the laws that even the most two-faced windbag eventually enacts.

If you need more reasons, I'll be back later.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I just want to say one thing... of the 47million people that are un-insured that Obama wants to insure... 12-15million are not citizens of the USA.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

...do you have a link to a report..or some such things I can read up on?

..I am just curious to learn about it...THANX.

Heres a book on it

FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression

Reviews of said book:

“Admirers of FDR credit his New Deal with restoring the American economy after the disastrous contraction of 1929—33. Truth to tell–as Powell demonstrates without a shadow of a doubt–the New Deal hampered recovery from the contraction, prolonged and added to unemployment, and set the stage for ever more intrusive and costly government. Powell’s analysis is thoroughly documented, relying on an impressive variety of popular and academic literature both contemporary and historical.”

–Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate, Hoover Institution

“There is a critical and often forgotten difference between disaster and tragedy. Disasters happen to us all, no matter what we do. Tragedies are brought upon ourselves by hubris. The Depression of the 1930s would have been a brief disaster if it hadn’t been for the national tragedy of the New Deal. Jim Powell has proven this.”

–P.J. O’Rourke, author of Parliament of Whores and Eat the Rich

“The material laid out in this book desperately needs to be available to a much wider audience than the ranks of professional economists and economic historians, if policy confusion similar to the New Deal is to be avoided in the future.”

–James M. Buchanan, Nobel Laureate, George Mason University

[Oh_My_Goth]

[taysteewonderbunny]

I just want to say one thing... of the 47million people that are un-insured that Obama wants to insure... 12-15million are not citizens of the USA.

Do we end up paying for their emergency room visits anyway?

[Shade Everdark]

Milton Friedman would say that the New Deal prolonged the Depression. He was a hardcore neoliberal free-market economist whose mantra was 'privatize, privatize, privatize,' a man who needed dictators and tyrants to put his theories into practice. As a source, no thanks. An endorsement for a source, I would have to consider that source highly suspect.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OK

How FDR's New Deal made the Depression worse

Research from (the University of California at Los Angeles) shows that it should have been over in 1936, but dragged on for seven years because of intervention in the labour market: "In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, (Lee) Ohanian and (Harold) Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law on June 16, 1933. 'President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services,' said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. 'So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 per cent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies. High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns, Ohanian said. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces.' By 1939 the US unemployment rate was 17.2 per cent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of 24.9 per cent but still remarkably high."