Gun "Control"

[Goth Brooks]

This is true... but what if he had not been able to buy/steel/come by a gun in the first place? What if he stole it from one of the people he was shooting's house before hand?

If there had been no gun to begin with.... no one would have had to die.

If there were no one with AIDS, it wouldn't exist.

There will ALWAYS be weapons. Always.

People will always have access to guns. ALWAYS.

The difference is, do you want to make it illegal, so that ONLY criminals have access to them? Or do you want to keep it legal, so that citizens have access to them as well.

You keep bringing up less guns, just let that one leave your head, it will never ever happen. EVER.

All firearm storage does is make it less likely you'll have that firearm available if someone should break into your home while you are there.

If someone steals your gun, and it hits the black market.. that sucks, but if EVERY citizen was armed, then eventually those criminal would commit a crime against someone holding a gun as well. And the statistical likely hood is that the citizen would be better trained, and win any confrontation unless the criminal fires first with total surprise.... in which case it doesn't matter whether you are armed or not.

[phee]

The difference is, do you want to make it illegal, so that ONLY criminals have access to them? Or do you want to keep it legal, so that citizens have access to them as well.

The more citizens that have guns the more criminals will have them also

[Goth Brooks]

The more citizens that have guns the more criminals will have them also

this is a fallacy, and i've already posted statistics from Britain to back this up.

[Goth Brooks]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/pop...16&src=news

Gun sales skyrocket

[phee]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/pop...16&src=news

Gun sales skyrocket

LOL

[TygerLili]

I understand your argument that gun control is unconstitutional, and technically I can't fault it.

But quite frankly, the mentality of supposed law-abiding citizens who think that they need a gun on them at all times and that if something goes down they are going to whip out an assault weapon and start blowing away all the "bad" guys with out a second thought scares me about as much as the idea of criminals having access to guns over citizens.

[Goth Brooks]

But quite frankly, the mentality of supposed law-abiding citizens who think that they need a gun on them at all times

I am probably taking this completely out of context, but:

This probably has something to do with the fact that our criminal justice system sucks and there are too many violent criminals wandering loose. More criminals being shot for trying to criminalize "supposed" law-abiding citizens would probably (no wait, demonstrably proven) lower the crime rate.

Everyone has personal life experiences that determine how and why they feel the way they do.

In 1992 my mother had just borrowed $3 from her mother. She got in her vehicle with the dollar bills in her hand, and before she could start her car a crackhead walked up, demanded the money, stopped her from rolling up the window, punched her in the face 3 times and took the money.

My 5yr old sister (then) was sitting in the seat next to her.

Can you honestly say that the situation wouldn't have ended differently if she had pulled out a revolver and 'busted a cap off in his ass yo'..?

[phee]

I am probably taking this completely out of context, but:

This probably has something to do with the fact that our criminal justice system sucks and there are too many violent criminals wandering loose. More criminals being shot for trying to criminalize "supposed" law-abiding citizens would probably (no wait, demonstrably proven) lower the crime rate.

Everyone has personal life experiences that determine how and why they feel the way they do.

In 1992 my mother had just borrowed $3 from her mother. She got in her vehicle with the dollar bills in her hand, and before she could start her car a crackhead walked up, demanded the money, stopped her from rolling up the window, punched her in the face 3 times and took the money.

My 5yr old sister (then) was sitting in the seat next to her.

Can you honestly say that the situation wouldn't have ended differently if she had pulled out a revolver and 'busted a cap off in his ass yo'..?

That is kind of black and white.... Its not like a gun is the only thing that can be used.

I mean you are talking about shooting someone and taking a life... OK, why not a tazer? Or pepper spray?... or is it that binary to you, in that its: Kill them or Do Nothing? with no in betweens

[Rev.Reverence]

That is kind of black and white.... Its not like a gun is the only thing that can be used.

I mean you are talking about shooting someone and taking a life... OK, why not a tazer? Or pepper spray?... or is it that binary to you, in that its: Kill them or Do Nothing? with no in betweens

*thinking about all the times a tazer could have been useful*

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

That is kind of black and white.... Its not like a gun is the only thing that can be used.

I mean you are talking about shooting someone and taking a life... OK, why not a tazer? Or pepper spray?... or is it that binary to you, in that its: Kill them or Do Nothing? with no in betweens

You reading it wrong. The attitude is Deter them or Do Nothing. Which should equal in "thier" head ("thier" being an assialent/intruder) "If I do (fill in the this spot with some crime), I may get shot. I may even die. Perhaps I should not do this"

It's not that you should want to kill someone or even harm someone. Gun owner's are not chomping at the bit to kill someone. They are trying to avoid being a victom and the best way to do that is to deter a would be assialiant from ever making them one.

[Rev.Reverence]

You reading it wrong. The attitude is Deter them or Do Nothing. Which should equal in "thier" head ("thier" being an assialent/intruder) "If I do (fill in the this spot with some crime), I may get shot. I may even die. Perhaps I should not do this"

It's not that you should want to kill someone or even harm someone. Gun owner's are not chomping at the bit to kill someone. They are trying to avoid being a victom and the best way to do that is to deter a would be assialiant from ever making them one.

*still want a tazer*

+1

...furthermore, phee; who said you HAVE to shoot to kill?

[Goth Brooks]

That is kind of black and white.... Its not like a gun is the only thing that can be used.

I mean you are talking about shooting someone and taking a life... OK, why not a tazer? Or pepper spray?... or is it that binary to you, in that its: Kill them or Do Nothing? with no in betweens

Guns used during protection very rarely results in a loss of life.

However, please see my position on over population.. I have no problem with violent criminals being killed by their victims. It's a good counter measure to the easy treatment they get by the "justice" system.

[phee]

You reading it wrong. The attitude is Deter them or Do Nothing. Which should equal in "thier" head ("thier" being an assialent/intruder) "If I do (fill in the this spot with some crime), I may get shot. I may even die. Perhaps I should not do this"

It's not that you should want to kill someone or even harm someone. Gun owner's are not chomping at the bit to kill someone. They are trying to avoid being a victom and the best way to do that is to deter a would be assialiant from ever making them one.

You maybe right ...

I think it was this statement:

Can you honestly say that the situation wouldn't have ended differently if she had pulled out a revolver and 'busted a cap off in his ass yo'..?

That seemed to indicate actually shooting someone... As far as I know that phrase does not indicate detering a behavior, but killing someone.

But your statement makes more sense Gaf.

[phee]

Guns used during protection very rarely results in a loss of life.

However, please see my position on over population.. I have no problem with violent criminals being killed by their victims. It's a good counter measure to the easy treatment they get by the "justice" system.

Just curious... does this statement include all criminals?

[Rev.Reverence]

You maybe right ...

I think it was this statement:

That seemed to indicate actually shooting someone... As far as I know that phrase does not indicate detering a behavior, but killing someone.

But your statement makes more sense Gaf.

...very few peoples DIE of a bullet wound to the ass cheek...

[Goth Brooks]

That seemed to indicate actually shooting someone... As far as I know that phrase does not indicate detering a behavior, but killing someone.

Shooting someone doesn't necessarily mean kill someone.

I've stated my position, I personally would shoot to kill.

Violent criminals deserve what they get from their victims.

This does not mean I would walk up and put two in their head if they survived with injuries. That's illegal and would make me just as criminal.

[Goth Brooks]

Just curious... does this statement include all criminals?

I specifically stated violent criminals.

[phee]

Shooting someone doesn't necessarily mean kill someone.

I've stated my position, I personally would shoot to kill.

Violent criminals deserve what they get from their victims.

This does not mean I would walk up and put two in their head if they survived with injuries. That's illegal and would make me just as criminal.

So you believe in legal assault rifles mearly to wound... not to kill?

[phee]

I specifically stated violent criminals.

That you did

[phee]

theoretically...

What do you think should happen if, you are defending yourself in say... a mugging, and the attacker had a knife... and you pulled out your gun and "busted a cap in his ass yo" but some of the "caps you busted" missed the target and kills someone accross the street who was walking with their family...

What do you think should happen in that situation? Should they then return fire at you for being a violent criminal (unintentionally)?

[Rev.Reverence]

So you believe in legal assault rifles mearly to wound... not to kill?

...that is why they take them to practice ranges...you can shoot the leg, arm, some belly wounds..

..if the shooter knows what they are doing, it won't necessarily kill a man unless he does not see a doctor..

[phee]

...that is why they take them to practice ranges...you can shoot the leg, arm, some belly wounds..

..if the shooter knows what they are doing, it won't necessarily kill a man unless he does not see a doctor..

You know that cops are never trained to wound... if they are shooting they are intending to kill...

[Rev.Reverence]

You know that cops are never trained to wound... if they are shooting they are intending to kill...

...who said they were the "moral ruler"?

[phee]

...who said they were the "moral ruler"?

Just ask them LOL

[Rev.Reverence]

Just ask them LOL

..but really though...it is a part of their job...

..& you don't want some one you just shot to be able to pull out a gun whilst prone..

..or worse off (now a days) push a button..