Proof some people

[Homicidalheathen]

Tanya Martin and her dog, Bobo, went everywhere together. She talked to him like he was her child.

She had even purchased doggie clothes so the 6-year-old Yorkshire terrier would look just right when she took him for a walk.

But Martin, a diagnosed schizophrenic, had been off her medication for several months.

Then something inside her must have snapped, those who know her say, to make her place her beloved dog on top of a phone book, hogtie him with speaker wire and then set him on the stove to burn Sunday.

"No one has a clue why her mind took her that way when she loved her dog so dearly," said Martin's mother, Arleen Ornelas.

Martin, 38, is in the Jefferson County jail, charged with animal cruelty and fourth-degree

Tanya Martin faces charges after her terrier was badly burned. (Lakewood Police)arson. Bobo is in stable condition at Wheat Ridge Animal Hospital with burns over half his body. Veterinarians are unsure if he will survive.

Martin had gotten Bobo about a year ago, her mother said, from the Denver Dumb Friends League. Bobo was deaf, but Martin fell in love with the dog, Ornelas said, so she took him home anyway. They played like any normal owner and pet would.

But earlier this year, Ornelas said, Martin quit taking her medication because it made her gain weight. That's when her family and others noticed big changes in her. She would talk to herself, imagine people coming into her Lakewood apartment and stealing things and she became extremely rude.

"Something must have snapped," said Marcie Neimes, manager of the Concordia Apartment Homes in Lakewood, where Martin lived until last month when she was forced to move because she was causing too much trouble. "That dog was her friend."

Ornelas said she called Jefferson County Social Services for help over the past several months. Neimes also worked with the Lakewood Housing Authority to get Martin a more secure place to live with the assistance she needs.

But something failed.

"If she gets her mind clear and realizes what she did to that dog, I don't know what's going to happen to her," Ornelas said.

Table Mountain Animal Center Foundation is accepting donations for the medical care of Bobo.

Those wishing to donate toward Bobo's medical care can visit tablemountainanimals.org and follow the instructions to donate securely online. Donations also may be sent to Table Mountain Animal Center Foundation, P.O. Box 270587, Louisville, CO 80027

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[Homicidalheathen]

Oh yah, the update is...Bobo suffered for 4 days and has now passed.

[Mean Salley]

unfortunately, in circumstances such as this, the people seldom "get their mind clear". For any number of infinite reasons, they usually tend to spiral downwards, picking up even more mental illnesses on the way and never really regain control of their state of mind.

However, it is a little known fact that schizophrenia often disappears in the mid 50's. It's just a matter of how much of a beating the persons psyche has taken due to all the other circumstances surrounding the condition as to whether they can carry on with a normal life. But really, 20 years of no reasonable, continuous thought patterns?

[StormKnight (1)]

It's a disease of thirds. One third recover, one third pop in and out of remission, and one third never recover.

Interesting to note (sorry for off-topic-ness): Most schizophrenics smoke like chimneys, and there is research to justify why. Nicotine in the pulsatile hits that happen when you inhale actually cause partial remission of the negative symptoms by acting on receptors in the (called by the way they were discovered, nicotinic receptors.) They have tried patches, and puffers that try to work like a cigarette, but nothing works like it.

This bit of trivia brought to you by the Medical Division of the Storm Knight's Guild.

[Destroit]

That made me so sad...normally I am all for beating the ass of anyone who does cruel things to animals...but this lady loved her dog and was in a bad state of mind since she was off meds. I can only imagine what that dog must've been thinking :. Imagine one minute your "mother" is all loving and caring and the next minute you're tied to a phone book on the stove catching on fire while she's standing there...I couldn't imagine. I thought the same thing about the lady that drowned her kids in the tub (I believe Andrea Yates...wasn't sure if I got the name right).

[Oh_My_Goth]

Sad.....

[Rev.Reverence]

It's a disease of thirds. One third recover, one third pop in and out of remission, and one third never recover.

Interesting to note (sorry for off-topic-ness): Most schizophrenics smoke like chimneys, and there is research to justify why. Nicotine in the pulsatile hits that happen when you inhale actually cause partial remission of the negative symptoms by acting on receptors in the (called by the way they were discovered, nicotinic receptors.) They have tried patches, and puffers that try to work like a cigarette, but nothing works like it.

This bit of trivia brought to you by the Medical Division of the Storm Knight's Guild.

......O_M_G...do you see THIS? ^^^^^^^ _{LEAVE ME TOBACCO ALONE!! 4-eva'!!!}

[Oh_My_Goth]

......O_M_G...do you see THIS? ^^^^^^^ _{LEAVE ME TOBACCO ALONE!! 4-eva'!!!}

I KNEW you were going to say something about that.....

I stopped trying to get you to quit.....I still want you to slow down

[Rev.Reverence]

I KNEW you were going to say something about that.....

I stopped trying to get you to quit.....I still want you to slow down

^{...that makes me wannanotherone.....}

[Oh_My_Goth]

^{...that makes me wannanotherone.....}

[Rev.Reverence]

...on a "less-light" note...even when you are "well medicated"...(& expect to be "NORMAL" that day)...the Doctor Drugs CAN....JUST...STOP...WORKING! (with NO explanation) THEN...the next day it's fine again...(or not)...then they "up-your-dose"..(they LOVE THAT SHIT!)...then after your a disorientated zombie for about a week or two...your "NORMAL" again....then...the drugs stop working again...(seemingly randomly).

I gave up on being "normal". (my liver & kidneys thanked me...they will last allot longer now)

_____________________

I wonder why that Lady in the article was off her drugs...(thinkin' a dog is a kid...that's pretty gone...even futher gone than my boy Pauly ('bout 60 & DE-men-TED)...where was her person when she did this? Why are they puttin' her on some court bench?

"If she gets her mind clear and realizes what she did to that dog, I don't know what's going to happen to her," Ornelas said.

The complete lack of a conscience is NOT a trait of Schizophrenia...THAT would score you the title SOCIOPATH...(in which case she would not have bought a dog clothing, & brought it with her everywhere.)

[Oh_My_Goth]

...on a "less-light" note...even when you are "well medicated"...(& expect to be "NORMAL" that day)...the Doctor Drugs CAN....JUST...STOP...WORKING! (with NO explanation) THEN...the next day it's fine again...(or not)...then they "up-your-dose"..(they LOVE THAT SHIT!)...then after your a disorientated zombie for about a week or two...your "NORMAL" again....then...the drugs stop working again...(seemingly randomly).

I gave up on being "normal". (my liver & kidneys thanked me...they will last allot longer now)

_____________________

I wonder why that Lady in the article was off her drugs...(thinkin' a dog is a kid...that's pretty gone...even futher gone than my boy Pauly ('bout 60 & DE-men-TED)...where was her person when she did this? Why are they puttin' her on some court bench?

The complete lack of a conscience is NOT a trait of Schizophrenia...THAT would score you the title SOCIOPATH...(in which case she would not have bought a dog clothing, & brought it with her everywhere.)

+1,000,000

Drugs are NOT always the answer.....

They DO have there place though.....

A structured environment and loving, understanding people are the key to a mostly level head

[Rev.Reverence]

+1,000,000

Drugs are NOT always the answer.....

They DO have there place though.....

A structured environment and loving, understanding people are the key to a mostly level head

...& skunk cabbage...

[jynxxxedangel]

...& skunk cabbage...

+ 10,​000,000,000,​000,000,000,​000,000,000,​000,000,000,​ 000,000,000,​000,000,000,​000,000,000,​000,000,000,​000,000,000,​ 000,000,000,​000,000,000

[TheGimp]

+ 90 million

[zenaleigh]

I don't have proof to put on here that I am better off on my meds, but have many references that I am

[TitsMcGee]

I've considered going off my meds, even tried about 5 years ago. I don't even know if they really help anymore but somehow they keep me from really loosing my mind, which I think would be bad.

[Homicidalheathen]

unfortunately, in circumstances such as this, the people seldom "get their mind clear". For any number of infinite reasons, they usually tend to spiral downwards, picking up even more mental illnesses on the way and never really regain control of their state of mind.

However, it is a little known fact that schizophrenia often disappears in the mid 50's. It's just a matter of how much of a beating the persons psyche has taken due to all the other circumstances surrounding the condition as to whether they can carry on with a normal life. But really, 20 years of no reasonable, continuous thought patterns?

I think its more not 'catering' to thought patterns...don't baby yourself mentally...tell your mind to shut up realize its your mind and not god talking ect

My dad was a paranoid schizophrenic, him and a few others on that side...my sis had it as a teen.

Drinking and drugs are a no no for people like this, it messes with brain chemistry and makes it worse.

Coarse I do think there are those few people you just can't help. More severe cases. They need the right kind of drugs so they don't go killing people. Or animals.