Legal slavery

[Homicidalheathen]

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1798.htm

[Rev.Reverence]

I do not understand the "slavery"...

[Homicidalheathen]

being married against ones will and having no rights

[Rev.Reverence]

being married against ones will and having no rights

...that is how it is in their culture........I'm a bit Star Trek I know...I don't condone it...but I also think it is wrong to interfere...

[Destroit]

...that is how it is in their culture........I'm a bit Star Trek I know...I don't condone it...but I also think it is wrong to interfere...

Must disagree with you there, because on your sentiment, if I claim that my culture likes to rape babies and peel their skin off alive...I'm pretty sure someone would rightfully have some beef with that. To put it in simpler terms, on of our greatest speakers ever, ML King Jr, once said:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

And FORCING someone to marry somebody else before they are even able to talk or walk, without their consent or opinion, is indeed an injustice, and needs to be stopped. If you're FORCING someone to do anything that is unethical and against their will...it is an injustice.

[Dollardave]

Islams are encouraged in the Quran(their bible) to kill Christians and Jews. Although Mohahemed never did having sex with a 9 year old utterly disgusts me I waited till I was 14 and she was 14.

[TygerLili]

Must disagree with you there, because on your sentiment, if I claim that my culture likes to rape babies and peel their skin off alive...I'm pretty sure someone would rightfully have some beef with that. To put it in simpler terms, on of our greatest speakers ever, ML King Jr, once said:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

And FORCING someone to marry somebody else before they are even able to talk or walk, without their consent or opinion, is indeed an injustice, and needs to be stopped. If you're FORCING someone to do anything that is unethical and against their will...it is an injustice.

I agree. This is child abuse.

[freydis]

Um..... arranged marriage, while antiquated and icky, is a cultural thing. But actual marriage at 1? Ew. Usually, most cultures that do this wait til the girl is of age?

i think though at this day and age, this backwards shit needs to go.

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[Rev.Reverence]

Must disagree with you there, because on your sentiment, if I claim that my culture likes to rape babies and peel their skin off alive...I'm pretty sure someone would rightfully have some beef with that. To put it in simpler terms, on of our greatest speakers ever, ML King Jr, once said:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

And FORCING someone to marry somebody else before they are even able to talk or walk, without their consent or opinion, is indeed an injustice, and needs to be stopped. If you're FORCING someone to do anything that is unethical and against their will...it is an injustice.

...we can not police the world...especially whilst their is so many rampantly fucked up things HERE...

...in our own backyards...the peoples in charge disagree with me any who....SO it is pretty much a mute point any how....

Um..... arranged marriage, while antiquated and icky, is a cultural thing. But actual marriage at 1? Ew. Usually, most cultures that do this wait til the girl is of age?

i think though at this day and age, this backwards shit needs to go.

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...it sux...but there IS supposed to be a proper time before the marriage is consummated...

...& there are as many peoples with impeccable honor over there as there are over here...I'm sure...

..you won't hear about THAT guy though...

..the guy who (though he marries a 7 year old) waits the 9 years till she is 16...(average legal age on Earth)

[jynxxxedangel]

Perhaps, rather than picking apart the moral aspects of this cultural phenomenon (basing our opinions on our own Western sensibilities), we should be circumspective-- and do a bit of cultural research, to try and come up with logical inferences as to why this odd custom developed thousands of years ago. It might give us a more well-rounded base for our opinions.

Nancy Drew is on the case again!

P.S. I do know that in some parts of the world, precocious puberty is common. Also, many cultures raise female children to be able to mind an entire household at a very young age.

[taysteewonderbunny]

No. Sorry. Can't be open-minded about this practice. Perhaps if the husband and wife were approximately the same age, but that does not seem to be the case here. And what if she's lesbian? Just sucks. No. Wrong. May have a legitimate history, but how does this apply as a proper survival mechanism now? Especially because intercourse with children so young can permanently and seriously damage their reproductive capabilities? I can't condone this no matter how entrenched in culture and history this is. This is torture, systematic torture.

[jynxxxedangel]

I personally don't agree with or condone the practice, either. I also think it is barbaric, literally. There is no use for such a custom in modern times.

But, I do like to learn about other cultures and the underlying reasons for their practices.

[taysteewonderbunny]

I personally don't agree with or condone the practice, either. I also think it is barbaric, literally. There is no use for such a custom in modern times.

But, I do like to learn about other cultures and the underlying reasons for their practices.

Well. Okay, I wasn't attacking you, btw. I understand curiosity about other cultures. I just have a visceral reaction to this type of shit.

[Rev.Reverence]

I personally don't agree with or condone the practice, either. I also think it is barbaric, literally. There is no use for such a custom in modern times.

But, I do like to learn about other cultures and the underlying reasons for their practices.

...I also think it is the RESPONSIBILITY of THOSE peoples to rise up & change THEIR corner of the world...

...not for US to nose in & TELL them what to do...as if WE are SO HOLY...

[taysteewonderbunny]

...I also think it is the RESPONSIBILITY of THOSE peoples to rise up & change THEIR corner of the world...

...not for US to nose in & TELL them what to do...as if WE are SO HOLY...

No, not to imply that we are perfect in any way, but I believe that it is important to voice concerns about the welfare of those who are not able to protect themselves. And if the discussion can be had in a respectful way (I'm not volunteering myself on account of my visceral reactions and high level of emotionality), I can't see how they wouldn't be beneficial to members of both cultures. Cultures are not static and impermeable. Nor should they be.

[jynxxxedangel]

...I also think it is the RESPONSIBILITY of THOSE peoples to rise up & change THEIR corner of the world...

...not for US to nose in & TELL them what to do...as if WE are SO HOLY...

Precisely my point.

In the same breath, we should thank our lucky stars that our mothers, sisters and daughters aren't being passed off like property here, as they are in some countries.

[Rev.Reverence]

No, not to imply that we are perfect in any way, but I believe that it is important to voice concerns about the welfare of those who are not able to protect themselves. And if the discussion can be had in a respectful way (I'm not volunteering myself on account of my visceral reactions and high level of emotionality), I can't see how they wouldn't be beneficial to members of both cultures. Cultures are not static and impermeable. Nor should they be.

...but when you tell a culture that they "can't" do something...they will most likely tell you to skrew off...& that is just 1 MORE fight I don't think WE as a Nation should stick our "collective noses" (our Troops) into...talk ALL you want...it won't do much...maybe anger the right politicians & we can have ANOTHER war....but that's about it...

(edit for horrid spelling error)

[taysteewonderbunny]

...but when you tell a culture that they "can't" do something...they will most likely tell you to skrew off...& that is just 1 MORE fight I don't think WE as a Nation should stick our "collective noses" (our Troops) into...talk ALL you want...it won't do much...maybe anger the right politicians & we can have ANOTHER war....but that's about it...

Well, sure if you start out insulting and parental. But not all talking leads to wars. And a good deal of the time the ideas cross borders and get into the heads of the oppressed who then organize themselves. I'm not saying that we ought to, from outside, forcibly apply our own morality, but I don't see how NOT talking about it will help anything either.

Certainly, if the change is to be meaningful at all, it will likely be gradual and need be internal. But that is not to say that we have NO influence. The beauty of ideas is that they travel, and often through very soft yet highly persuasive media, like art. No guns needed. I don't advocate military action either.

As for resistance of a more physical nature, small networks of both external and internal participants are highly effective. It IS subversive, but I like to think of it as terrorism in reverse. Examples would be networks of the kind that exist in India and China that allow victims of wife-burning to re-establish themselves in society and work together in public outcry of this horrible practice. Similar organizations help dismantle child sex-trade rings. There ARE ways that are not equivalent to unilateral governmental meddling. Us ordinary people have power.

[Rev.Reverence]

Well, sure if you start out insulting and parental. But not all talking leads to wars. And a good deal of the time the ideas cross borders and get into the heads of the oppressed who then organize themselves. I'm not saying that we ought to, from outside, forcibly apply our own morality, but I don't see how NOT talking about it will help anything either.

Certainly, if the change is to be meaningful at all, it will likely be gradual and need be internal. But that is not to say that we have NO influence. The beauty of ideas is that they travel, and often through very soft yet highly persuasive media, like art. No guns needed. I don't advocate military action either.

As for resistance of a more physical nature, small networks of both external and internal participants are highly effective. It IS subversive, but I like to think of it as terrorism in reverse. Examples would be networks of the kind that exist in India and China that allow victims of wife-burning to re-establish themselves in society and work together in public outcry of this horrible practice. Similar organizations help dismantle child sex-trade rings. There ARE ways that are not equivalent to unilateral governmental meddling. Us ordinary people have power.

ZEN will not permit me to agree...reverse terrorism...is terrorism...

[taysteewonderbunny]

ZEN will not permit me to agree...reverse terrorism...is terrorism...

Okay, maybe wrong words, because I'm not talking about violence here. Maybe "Right Action"?

Edited to add: And I said the reverse of terrorism, which is to say the opposite of terrorism without being inactive.

[SaGa]

Islams are encouraged in the Quran(their bible) to kill Christians and Jews. Although Mohahemed never did having sex with a 9 year old utterly disgusts me I waited till I was 14 and she was 14.

well they feel cristians are the dajow(spelling may be off but basicly there version of the anti-christ).