Final Best Industrial Band Poll

[Guest Game of Chance]

Thanks... I mean that.... It is hard to reason with somebody who has discovered the "truth" of a subject, and will not entertain another point of view. It is kind of like arguing religion with an evangelical Christian, who "knows" the "truth" about God and the universe etc...

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nice analogy...never thought about it like that

[phee]

nice analogy...never thought about like that

Thanks!!!

"I know what Goth REALLY is"

"Do Not!"

"Do Too!"

"Do Not!"

etc....

[Guest Game of Chance]

Thanks!!!

"I know what Goth REALLY is"

"Do Not!"

"Do Too!"

"Do Not!"

etc....

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lmao...

[phee]

I guess KMFDM wins hands down though

[Mikielikesit]

Who is this SKINNY PUPPY of whom you speak.............I live a sheltered life :devil

[Homicidalheathen]

Hey $Dave SP is in the lead.....

[phee]

Who is this SKINNY PUPPY of whom you speak.............I live a sheltered life :devil

Seriously... or are you being phunny? Not trying to be a stoopid jerk but I am not sure if you really ment it.

[Scary Guy]

I unlike many others actually DO know the truth. Thats why I speak with such zeal about this subject.

DJing and industrial night I won't play certain bands because they just don't fit the format. Even if they do it could only be one or two songs (technicly cross genre).

Anyone who thinks NIN is a metal band is smoking some whack crack. Industrial/metal maybe but the most common term I hear when referencing them is "techno-industrial" (which I don't exactly agree with since the term techno is about as bastardized as goth and industrial, if not more so).

Sorry but Pain, Samael, and Kovenant (yes with a K) are more metal than NIN is anyhow (and all have many elements of industrial in them).

This is like 4th grade science class learning the classification of what animals belong in what groups, except less complicated usually. Eventually when you get down to the individual sounds you get individual bands and maybe some sideprojects of those bands.

Hell lets talk Skinny Puppy, specifically Assimilate, track 11 or Front 242 - Body to Body, track 01 both off of the album "This Is Electronic Body Music" and guess what EBM stands for...

Well not any more, Modern EBM bands sound WAY different, kind of like R&B of pree and post 1980s (yeah I don't know what happened to it either, it mixed with smooth jazz and became modern R&B or as I like to call it, crap). Yes I know this only add's to Phee's side of the arguement of how nothing matters, but just wait.

OK lets say it's that ultra-rare occaasion where I happen to be DJing for a group of (lets call them inner city) kids. I'm playing all the modern R&B hits (yes I have all the modern R&B hits, just for these occasions) and I decide to throw on some Earth Wind and Fire. Just watch how quickly the dancefloor clears (except for the one or two people who can appreciate it).

In short music IS my religion and you're all a bunch of blasphemers whom I'd like to smite with some good old fashon lightining :D j/k It would be more like I'd be the CD cenobite from HR3 throwing industrial CDs at you. Meaning NONE of them would be apop or VNV.

[phee]

Thanks... I mean that.... It is hard to reason with somebody who has discovered the "truth" of a subject, and will not entertain another point of view. It is kind of like arguing religion with an evangelical Christian, who "knows" the "truth" about God and the universe etc...

Thank you for proving my point I espescially like the "I unlike many others DO know the truth" line

I unlike many others actually DO know the truth.  Thats why I speak with such zeal about this subject.

DJing and industrial night I won't play certain bands because they just don't fit the format.  Even if they do it could only be one or two songs (technicly cross genre).

Anyone who thinks NIN is a metal band is smoking some whack crack.  Industrial/metal maybe but the most common term I hear when referencing them is "techno-industrial" (which I don't exactly agree with since the term techno is about as bastardized as goth and industrial, if not more so).

Sorry but Pain, Samael, and Kovenant (yes with a K) are more metal than NIN is anyhow (and all have many elements of industrial in them).

This is like 4th grade science class learning the classification of what animals belong in what groups, except less complicated usually.  Eventually when you get down to the individual sounds you get individual bands and maybe some sideprojects of those bands.

Hell lets talk Skinny Puppy, specifically Assimilate, track 11 or Front 242 - Body to Body, track 01 both off of the album "This Is Electronic Body Music" and guess what EBM stands for...

Well not any more, Modern EBM bands sound WAY different, kind of like R&B of pree and post 1980s (yeah I don't know what happened to it either, it mixed with smooth jazz and became modern R&B or as I like to call it, crap).  Yes I know this only add's to Phee's side of the arguement of how nothing matters, but just wait.

OK lets say it's that ultra-rare occaasion where I happen to be DJing for a group of (lets call them inner city) kids.  I'm playing all the modern R&B hits (yes I have all the modern R&B hits, just for these occasions) and I decide to throw on some Earth Wind and Fire.  Just watch how quickly the dancefloor clears (except for the one or two people who can appreciate it).

In short music IS my religion and you're all a bunch of blasphemers whom I'd like to smite with some good old fashon lightining :D j/k  It would be more like I'd be the CD cenobite from HR3 throwing industrial CDs at you.  Meaning NONE of them would be apop or VNV.

[Scary Guy]

Thank you for proving my point I espescially like the "I unlike many others DO know the truth" line

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You're point is moot since unlike religion this is based on fact and science. Proper classification is important both with organisims and music.

"oh this type of music is industrial, ah it sounds like shit I was wrong"

"oh this type of snake is non poisonous, ah it just bit me and I'm dying from the venom"

yes I'm an asshole but I'm a correct asshole

[phee]

You're point is moot since unlike religion this is based on fact and science.  Proper classification is important both with organisims and music.

"oh this type of music is industrial, ah it sounds like shit I was wrong"

"oh this type of snake is non poisonous, ah it just bit me and I'm dying from the venom"

yes I'm an asshole but I'm a correct asshole

What genre anything fits into is a matter of the point of views of the individual, because it is an art form and therefore subjective.

If someone says "This song was writen on a Kurzweil 2000, has samples from the movie the excorcist, in a minor octave, with drums, and uses a vocoder" These are facts

But when the same person then says "Therefore it is EBM" or "Therefore it is Industrial" or "Therefore it is Techno"... that is an opnion.

Now one could argue several ways about what is "Truelly" the correct form of a genre. Does the person who coined the phrase and there views make it correct? Is it more a consenses ie: if a majority of people think that a certain band is industrial despite what the term "originally" meant... are they now determining the definition of the genre or all they all wrong? etc...

[Guest Game of Chance]

You're point is moot since unlike religion this is based on fact and science.  Proper classification is important both with organisims and music.

"oh this type of music is industrial, ah it sounds like shit I was wrong"

"oh this type of snake is non poisonous, ah it just bit me and I'm dying from the venom"

yes I'm an asshole but I'm a correct asshole

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Maybe its me...but it seems that there are certain bands that crossover genres...not to mention...BANDS CHANGE STYLES ALL THE TIME...

A band may put out several different albums that could be classified in different genres

A classic example would be Ministry...can you honestly tell me that early Ministry sounds the same as 90's Ministry...and that the current version of Ministry sounds the same as the band that put out "A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste" ??

lol the point of this poll was just to have a little fun...and maybe talk about some of the bands that you like...

the fact that you are blowing this way out of proportion is laughable...

[Scary Guy]

Yeah I'm good at doing that but I want people to be well informed and accuracy is important.

Bands are catagorized with what they're best known for I think. Ministry is best know for their work in the 90's and their most popular album (I think) is Psalm 69. Or you could classify them not by their most popular album but with the type of music that they've mostly put out (still would be the style heard on that album I think, but I'm not positive on that).

If it's cross genre then you sort it into two genres (which I'm kind of mad at because the windows file system doesn't allow for that since my files are sorted by genre in directories, no short cuts don't do the job).

As far as who controls what sounds belong to what genre, technicly it is the person who coined the term. If the majority was right, we wouldn't have a lot of the shit music we have now (I'm talking billboard top 40 here), so fuck the majority.

[phee]

Yeah I'm good at doing that but I want people to be well informed and accuracy is important.

Bands are catagorized with what they're best known for I think.  Ministry is best know for their work in the 90's and their most popular album (I think) is Psalm 69.  Or you could classify them not by their most popular album but with the type of music that they've mostly put out (still would be the style heard on that album I think, but I'm not positive on that).

If it's cross genre then you sort it into two genres (which I'm kind of mad at because the windows file system doesn't allow for that since my files are sorted by genre in directories, no short cuts don't do the job).

As far as who controls what sounds belong to what genre, technicly it is the person who coined the term.  If the majority was right, we wouldn't have a lot of the shit music we have now (I'm talking billboard top 40 here), so fuck the majority.

So by this definition... a computer is a person who is good at math... and a keyboard only refers to a piano and could not include anything else.

[Scary Guy]

So by this definition... a computer is a person who is good at math... and a keyboard only refers to a piano and could not include anything else.

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Not exactly, thats more completely backwards. A person is a computer who sucks at math.

A piano and a keyboard however are worlds apart since one is a digital instrument and the other is analog. One plays samples and the other is technicly a form of percussion instrument.

[the eternal]

Icon Of Coil

Covenant

Apoptygma Berzerk

Razed In Black

Lords Of Acid

THESE ARE CHOICES?

I'm not saying any of the bands listed aren't good, they just aren't industrial.

I was going to make a final list but I figured I'd remain silent.  Those bands making the final list pushed me over the edge.

I played true industrial one night at the club, no one got it.

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html under trance, go studdy.  Not everything on there is accurate but I agree on that.

I'll be honest. When I first looked at the list I felt the EXACT same way as Scary Guy.

That said, you make some interesting points Phee.

I'm loving this discussion, but either way, I hope we can agree on one thing.

We missed the best industrial night ever and now that it tanked we'll never get to see it =(

A quick correction though.

Nine Inch Nails is actually BY FAR, the most popular industrial band ever. Your older sister that listened to Boys 2 Men in the 90s has Downward Spiral for the song Closer.

I voted for them (him), because it made EVERYONE, if only for a moment, say

"What the hell is industrial?"

And Motley Crue even hired a member of Front 242 to join the band, which I just find hilarious to this day. :laughing

Ministry is number two. (Psalm 69 went platinum)

KMFDM may be the most popular industrial band that never had mainstream success, if that makes any sense.

Honorable Mentions: Neubaten is the most versatile band. They completely changed their sound while somehow still

A. always sounding industrial

B. maintaining their sound (if THAT makes any sense)

Silence is Sexy is nothing like Kollaps yet the natural progression makes perfect sense.

Ministry seemed to get pissed off and then wildly change their sound.

With Sympathy to 12 Inch Singles to Twitch to Land of Rape and Honey.

HUGE SHIFTS!

Gotta love With Sympathy though. It's like the geeky band picture from HS you dont want anyone to see :cheerful

[Scary Guy]

Gotta love With Sympathy though.  It's like the geeky band picture from HS you dont want anyone to see  :cheerful

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You think that's freaky, check out Special Affect and get back to me after you've listened to his early early works

KMFDM is my choice because industrial technicly shouldn't be mainstream.

But you're right I should have went with Nails or Manson even.

I wonder if thats the same type of arguement though. Goths hate to admit that Manson's music is goth. Maybe rivetheads feel the same way about the works of Reznor.

[phee]

KMFDM is my choice because industrial technicly shouldn't be mainstream.

Just curious, "Technically" according to whom, or what?

I think at this point we can say that Skinny Puppy is the Winner....

Thanks for playing!!!

[Scary Guy]

Technicly according to the people who came up with the term, the guys who started Industrial Records. "the original idea of Industrial Records was to reject what the growing industry was telling you at the time what music was supposed to be." I happen to think it's still doing that.

[phee]

Technicly according to the people who came up with the term, the guys who started Industrial Records.  "the original idea of Industrial Records was to reject what the growing industry was telling you at the time what music was supposed to be."  I happen to think it's still doing that.

IC to those who created the term... gotcha

[Scary Guy]

Alright well they didn't come up with it but they inspired the guy who did, so I figure thats where it really began.

[phee]

That would be Genisis P. Orridge right?

[Scary Guy]

Yeah pretty much, though I think you spelled his last name wrong. Should be P'Orridge

EDIT:

http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ he/she is nuts lol

[Guest Game of Chance]

Yeah pretty much,  though I think you spelled his last name wrong.  Should be P'Orridge

EDIT:

http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ he/she is nuts lol

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I always thought it was P. Orridge hmmm...