Halloween Evil?

[phee]

As much as I hate to say it... yes, we have to respect everybodys individual beliefs... If someone wants to fuck up there kids with this "halloween is evil" Bullshit... that is there thing, as long as it is not abusive and/or illegal, that is there right... as much as we may disagree with that. I would simply hope that either the kids or the parents simply get enough education to rethink that paticular point of view (not bloddy likely).

[Head Wreck]

some reason you seem to have in my mind the stereotypical "cool, swinging, cocktail swiggin satan" shaped head.

the kind of satun all us corrupted satan worshiping, candy scoffin, pinaple scoopin, heathens want to be when we grow up

[Brenda Starrr]

Halloween good.

Grandmother evil.

[Paper Hearts]

I couldn't care less if Halloween is "evil", but I am glad to know that more and more people are choosing not to celebrate it, because the types of people who go around worried about things like that tend to dillute things for the rest of us anyway.

[Daevion]

halloween isn't nearly evil enough.....

[Msterbeau]

As much as I hate to say it... yes, we have to respect everybodys individual beliefs... If someone wants to fuck up there kids with this "halloween is evil" Bullshit... that is there thing, as long as it is not abusive and/or illegal, that is there right... as much as we may disagree with that. I would simply hope that either the kids or the parents simply get enough education to rethink that paticular point of view (not bloddy likely).

You have a daughter right? (Or am I thinking PH???) Anyways... Would you really be OK with your mom telling your kids things that are extremely predudicial like Harmony's did? Children WILL take that stuff to heart depending on the context, etc....

I personally would NOT be pleased.

[phee]

halloween isn't nearly evil enough.....

:woot:

[Mistercreeps]

I haven't read all this yet but the first post struck me as odd. See when I was a kid I went to church every sunday. Sat in the front row and I learned alot about christ and the teachings of the bible. What stikes me as being odd is for halloween my church puts on a haunted church theme for the neghiborhood kids to go to. If it's so evil then why would they put something on like this?

To me any holiday can be considered "evil or good" if the person sees it that way in thier own eyes. Nobody should go around saying anything is good or bad to anyone else because we all have our own way of looking at things.

P.S. I got a hershey bar today and the damn thing tried to eat me! Beware of the sugary treats for you could be next on it's hunger list!

[phee]

You have a daughter right?  (Or am I thinking PH???)  Anyways...  Would you really be OK with your mom telling your kids things that are extremely predudicial like Harmony's did?  Children WILL take that stuff to heart depending on the context, etc....   

I personally would NOT be pleased.

No.... but my mom talking to my kid would not be me talking to my kid... It would be up to me to take it with my Mom.... and not the Government.

[Lilith]

She sent me an email today in response to me asking her to watch the kids on the 29th, Her first reply was what day is Halloween which just struck me as odd, My reply to her was simply Mon.10-31-05 we will be trick or treating withte kids around here - Saturday 10-29-05 is the halloween part yw e want to attend... She said yes to my request but never indicated why she wanted to know whne halloween was and why could she not look at her own calendar?

I dont know if i am going to take this up on purpose yet or not, as i am thinking i might just let it be untill it comes up on its own. I am thinking through re reading some of this that perhaps the only thing that really does matter is that the kids ara satisfied knowing the GP wil come, T&T will still hapen and the costumes will rock because that is really all they cared about and probally the only reason why this was even brought up to Lestat and my self. Does not mean that she is right or anything it just i really am not in the mood for a battle over this, It is just so silly from the start, Halloween evil and an inocent little 5 year old will go to hell. HA!

But i am afraid if it does surface between her and i might just blow a gasket with all the past pent up sillyness and all I could go on and on for days.

Also i gave My own mom the this is me accept me or not and she gave me the boot from her life for many years and even thought i know dealing with a Mother Nutty or not can be difficut i alos know the pain of not having hte good parts of that person around.

[pharoh]

She sent me an email today in response to me asking her to watch the kids on the 29th, Her first reply was what day is Halloween which just struck me as odd, My reply to her was simply Mon.10-31-05 we will be trick or treating withte kids around here - Saturday 10-29-05 is the halloween part yw e want to attend... She said yes to my request but never indicated why she wanted to know whne halloween was and why could she not look at her own calendar?

I dont know if i am going to take this up on purpose yet or not, as i am thinking i might just let it be untill it comes up on its own. I am thinking through re reading some of this that perhaps the only thing that really does matter is that the kids ara satisfied knowing the GP wil come, T&T will still hapen and the costumes will rock because that is really all they cared about and probally the only reason why this was even brought up to Lestat and my self.  Does not mean that she is right or anything it just i really am not in the mood for a battle over this, It is just so silly from the start, Halloween evil and an inocent little 5 year old will go to hell. HA!

But i am afraid if it does surface between her and i might just blow a gasket with all the past pent up sillyness and all I could go on and on for days.

Also i gave My own mom the this is me accept me or not and she gave me the boot from her life for many years and even thought i know dealing with a Mother Nutty or not  can be difficut i alos know the pain of not having hte good parts of that person around.

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Well from my own experience people fear what they don't know, and it's also up to you to educate them as much as you can, but if she is still unable to except you lillith, than thats on her not you. Your cool the way you are and shouldn't need to change just because someone doesnt' like something about you. Parents often show thier dissappointment to thier children when they don't meet the sky high expectations and then a fight breaks out. I can tell you about my mother and I if you want, but I booted her from my life because she wasn't happy with me and my own decisions and I got tired of her bad mouthing me and my ex fiance behind our backs, but time heals all wounds if you give it a chance. I am a stubburn bastard so it took quite awhile for me. Just thought I would put my 2 cents in, just tell me to shut up and I will lol =)

Al

[JaneDead]

sorry i didn't read everyone's reply before i posted mine so my thoughts may have already been stated here but:

first i would say talk to your mother in law one day with the kids not around.

let her know that her opinions are respected but that she should not tell your kids things in such a way that she is coming across as telling them "fact".

also let her know that if you WANT her opinion on something, you will ask. she doesn't need to just offer it all the time.

she raised her kids, she doesn't need to worry about how your kids are raised. she might not agree with it, but it is none of her business. unless you are abusing, neglecting or mistreating your kids - it is NOT her place to step in and go against EVERY thing you do.

then i think you should also tell your kids that you and their grandma don't agree on everything. that doesn't mean that you are right and grandma is wrong. just means you view things differently. but what is most important is that they listen to YOU and respect what YOU say because you are their mother.

if grandma is not careful she could create some conflict between you and your kids in the future with your parenting. or she can make it so her grandkids don't want to listen to anything she has to say.

[Lilith]

sorry i didn't read everyone's reply before i posted mine so my thoughts may have already been stated here but:

first i would say talk to your mother in law one day with the kids not around.

let her know that her opinions are respected but that she should not tell your kids things in such a way that she is coming across as telling them "fact".

also let her know that if you WANT her opinion on something, you will ask. she doesn't need to just offer it all the time.

she raised her kids, she doesn't need to worry about how your kids are raised. she might not agree with it, but it is none of her business. unless you are abusing, neglecting or mistreating your kids - it is NOT her place to step in and go against EVERY thing you do.

then i think you should also tell your kids that you and their grandma don't agree on everything. that doesn't mean that you are right and grandma is wrong. just means you view things differently. but what is most important is that they listen to YOU and respect what YOU say because you are their mother.

if grandma is not careful she could create some conflict between you and your kids in the future with your parenting. or she can make it so her grandkids don't want to listen to anything she has to say.

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Cody alrady in his own way hates her, he still love her allot and wants to be around her but Cody has got it already Grandma is very un open.

Rhapsody, well this is the first time she has snapped back at grandma about something, you could actually tell Grandma pissed her right off, she had the rolling eyes too and the pish's ughh's. She normally revovles around grandma and still does, grnadma give her nail polish and sparkley lotion and caters to her every whim casue she is "handi capped" Where i tell rhapsody you use way to much scented stuff, you are not supposed to use sparkly lotion all the time it is for special occasions and i am a bit of a hard ass on her about her Handicaps casue well i am not going to button up a 18 year olds Pants, she has to elarn to live and care for herself where Grandma just caters to her, so Rhapsody of course Loves grandma way more right now.

Sebastian is 5 still at an age where he really does not care and dont who is right or wrong and he is stil lat an age where his own personality is not fully developed.

I really think that once they get to a certian age she cant elt go and let them be themselves, She dressed lestat up one day for School pics all Preppy n stuff, he hated it so he changed at school, and then when the pictures came in she would not hand any out or show them to any one because he did not Look good enough or something. It like if any of my kids or any person decideds to be "diffrent" then they are BAD and must be punished, or anything to do with Goth such as halloween (or at least in her eyes) is evil. I mean she was the one who 8 years ago on our first halloween as a family Started the Great Pumpkin and the treats i nwhich he brings now that is left up to me to handle and pay for, she used to hand out cnady and Love to see al lthe kids in costume, she never did scaryy decor but would have pumpkins and hay and corn stalks, she even one year was out at my house passing out candy and seemingly had a blast Popping out and going BOO and scaring the kids and now all fo a sudden ITS EVIL and will have nothing to do with it excpet for asking me when it is.

The thing that also bother me is she has been at several Halloweens and watched me sort cnady and heard the kids aske me why i was doing so and she has heard me tell them that way back when i was kid there was some bad people who would put Poision and things in candy so now we allways check and throw away anything in question, I have had that question asked of at elast three times and each time the kids were never upset or scared or wrried and now she opens her mouth and i get all kinds of silly questions that have no absolutes answers.

Talking ot her is hard it allways errupts and nothing ever get solved. The funny part is Lestat did act allot of the same ways she does now when we first go together, Luckily he would listen to me and try to adjust, Laltey i have been telling her when she does things " i am not going to listen to this, it is the same Crap Lestat has done to me, i may have to put up with it from him but i certianly dont have to deal with you like this", she normally shuts up for minute but it allways goes back.

We have had many general conversation withthe kids about how when ever they are told something they should ask us abuut it to double check the info as not just Grandma but other i nthe wrold can give it wrong or what have you.

Also its not my mom, its lestats, and well he just lets the shit roll off his back after he gets the kids all straightend out, It his mom and that the way she is, she will never change Blah blah blah, well he has had 30 years to grow used to her and i have had only 8 or so and well weather or not it is the way she is, this has to do withthe kids and i just doesnot roll off my back Beacause i know next week she will say something stupid again i have to handle.

Just so frustrating, but i am glad i have you guys to sound off to, it does help i wnet from being Extreamly Angry about this to Shacking my head and calmly and simple stating what we plan to do even thought i know she does nt agree.

U GUYS R AWSOME

[kellygrrrrrl]

Halloween has its history and origin, but I think that over time, it has lost the paganistic meaning that it carried.

I think now - to me, it is simply a day where we can all get dressed up and kids can go get some candy, and have fun!

Same with X-mas. X-mas has no real meaning anymore. It is commercial, and a time when everbody conveniently has that time off to get together and exchange gifts.

I hate holiday's. I really do.

I boycotted x-mas one year. I didn't buy gifts for anyone, and decided I was going to hold my own day called "Gift Exchange day". Boy was my family pissed off. They got their gifts, after the fact. What gets me is that everyone was pissed that they didn't get gifts.....but then they did. Just shows how selfish giving can be.

I tend to stir the pot a little in my family.

[JaneDead]

Just so frustrating, but i am glad i have you guys to sound off to, it does help i wnet from being Extreamly Angry about this to Shacking my head and calmly and simple stating what we plan to do even thought i know she does nt agree. 

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and it will probably always be that way unfortunately.

instead of even arguing with her... just say "we obviously don't see eye to eye. they are my kids and i will do what i feel is in their best interest."

you could even have that, or some other phrase, be the ONLY thing you say to her in every situation. after awhile she might get the hint and not bother to fight with you about YOUR kids.

[Lilith]

Halloween has its history and origin, but I think that over time, it has lost the paganistic meaning that it carried.

I think now - to me, it is simply a day where we can all get dressed up and kids can go get some candy, and have fun! 

Same with X-mas.  X-mas has no real meaning anymore.  It is commercial, and a time when everbody conveniently has that time off to get together and exchange gifts.

I hate holiday's.  I really do. 

I boycotted x-mas one year.  I didn't buy gifts for anyone, and decided I was going to hold my own day called "Gift Exchange day".  Boy was my family pissed off.  They got their gifts, after the fact.  What gets me is that everyone was pissed that they didn't get gifts.....but then they did.  Just shows how selfish giving can be.

I tend to stir the pot a little in my family.

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people getting mad that they did not get ifts on Christmas is just dumb, i mena you never really get all your gifts on christmas any how it is alwlays befor or after when ever the two people can get together. And being mad about not getting any was Yes Just selfish and Greedy, hell One year we had not $ fr gift other then the kids so i baked my ass off and every one loved it, its so not about the gift its about the family getting together and enjoying the spirit of giving weather it be of your self or an object. Thats just wrong almost makes me not want to buy anything for any one or even bake with other in mind. Hell iwould have hi thte dollar store and bought them all 4 roll pack of Toliet Paper (the kind where you can still see wood chips in it), then smilled and said well atleast you got a gift!

Any how yeah for me too Hallwoen was just a fun time to get dressed up, be creative as poosibale and get FREEEEEEEEE great Big HUGE bag of candy. i to feel the same about Christmas but i try to keep the orignal intent or atleast the one i was taught alive in my house, to me it added to the wonder and spirit. Also i used ot think it was the shit to get gifts for some one elses Birthday.

[Steven]

I am Christian myself and I find this disgusting.  She has violated both the letter of the law and the spirit of Christ as far as I am concerned.  Jesus was not this kind of person and would have never said things like that to a child.  Where is the love?

I wonder if she knows that Christmas is actually a pagan holiday? 

Obviously she is a messed up human being.  I have a feeling that if she does not change her ways she may get a very nasty surprise when she meets her maker.

All you can do is try to live your life well and be a good example for your children. It may take time but eventually they will see her for who she is and hopefully will be able to forgive her for her mistakes.

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Hmmm, I liked this post.

Well done babe - I agree with you.

Some very basic tenants of respect were violated here, not to mention good old fashioned tact and good taste.

[Vater Araignee]

Go read sooth's  Halloween History thread. 

Come to find out, trick-or-treating actually came from an English tradition called "souling", where the poor would go around and collect cakes and then pray for the dead relatives of the people that had given out the cakes.

Shove that in her Christian face.

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trick-or-treat = give something to the mischievous spirit to appease it so it wont haunt your home.

Have you seen your head lately???

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:laughing  must be the flaming skull!! 

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Ghost Rider motor cycle hero

Baby baby he lookin' so cute

See him ride ride ride in a blue jump suit

Ghost Rider motor cycle hero

Baby baby baby he's a blazin' away

Like the stars stars stars in the universe

Ghost Rider motor cycle hero

Baby baby baby he's screamin' the truth

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Ghost Rider

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[DisturbedMania]

dang work computer...... see next post

[DisturbedMania]

Here's how it happened in my family..... my sister did not believe the ways my family saw how her child should be cared for. Now half of my family does not see my nephew, Period. I agree with her. It is understood in psychology that the mind is shaped primarily until around the age of 12, then the child starts thinking more for themselves. Let's just say if I have kids they will be homeschooled and none of my family will see them until then. In your case, I wouldn't go quite so extreme, but I would closely monitor visits. If she keeps up the behaviors you told her to stop, don't let her have alone time with the kids. If she still continues, her loss, don't bring the kids around.

[Brenda Starrr]

Holy shit. Christmas is actually a Pagan holiday? Well, fall on MY knees and hear the Angels bitching!

[phee]

Holy shit. Christmas is actually a Pagan holiday? Well, fall on MY knees and hear the Angels bitching!

Jesus was supposed to be born in April... But they put it on the Solstice for convienence....

[Guest Game of Chance]

Gotta love Constantine

[The_Dark]

There is a Ghost Rider song? I need to hear this.. Vader.. bro.. hook me up.

[Lilith]

We are Watching things... see what happens...... The next Scheduled visit with Grandma is Oct 29 , over night and Grandpa will be home and hopefully Perhaps he will have had a talk with her, and perhaps mentioned some Dr visits. Also i plan to talk with Lestat about him Tlaking to his step fathr in law alone about keeping a closer eye on her n the kids all at the same time. Mark is kinda reall good about expressing his views when he disagrees, he normally is real quiet when it come to conflict, but backs us when we disscipline hte kids with things like u better listen to your ma/dad~She has been weird latley...etc... .. Other wise he elts us be and wehn he does speak up he states his case plainly and usually does end up getting us even if just a little. So with Him home and the recent talks I hope all dies down.