Posts with suicidal themes

[Fierce Critter]

There has been, it seems, a proliferation of posts with suicidal overtones lately.

I know it's a goth board. And the joke/cliche is that is to be expected.

Well, no, it's really not.

I have reached a point in my 4 years on the board where I don't know how to respond to these posts anymore. Some people come out with it out of the blue, and it's shocking and creates immediate stir. Some people seem to be threatening to off themselves every other post, and it's brushed-off as "another day, another suicide post from so-and-so".

Again, in my 4 years on the board, I've yet to see anyone do more than "cry wolf". GOODNESS KNOWS I'm glad about that. The last thing I want is for someone to see this and say, "well, fine then - I'll give them something REAL to post about". Not at all what I'm getting at or going for.

I just wonder if I'm not alone in not knowing what to say or do for people who say these things anymore. I can recall marathon posting sessions of people trying to convince someone else "DON'T DO IT!!!" I rarely see that anymore.

Pondering.

[Onyx]

That's a tough question.

I find the more I suppress and do not express feelings like this (even fleeting ones) the more they tend to grow. Expression eases the feelings and makes me work things out in my head.

It's good to have a place where I can without happy little kittens jumping all over me trying to cheer me up. ack. heh.

Ever been really down and hear mournful music and sing or maybe hum along and feel it takes away some of the pain? The last thing I want to hear is cheerful stuff.

Of course, artistic expression is different from a threat and sometimes it's hard to tell.

[Homicidalheathen]

I don't know what it is but my S.A.D. is not so bad this year. It started out bad but I have it under control.

I will sound like a hippie here but it may have to do with some of the metaphysical works my freinds are doing to me. I don't take meds.

Usually this time of year I need to vent or I feel so alone I think about it more if that makes sense.

Looks like this will be the first sunny day for oh I dunno, over a frickin month????

My kid wants to move to Alaska. She must have my brain gene for this. She thinks MI is too sunny for dark, goth ass.

[Lilith]

hmmmmmm I just need to say in brief (it has nothing to do with a dgn'r) that the thought suicide and others doing it is very upsetting to me at this point in my life.

I think the posts may coem from a need to relaease feeling so they dont do it and others may just be expressing creativity to keep from doing it, some may be picking up on the negtivity flaoting around them IRL and expressing it here.

I think the lack of cocnern may be from a numbing of seeing these posts from certian people and i also think that some who would respond more might not due to some of the negitive effects they have encountered befor by responding to these type of posts.

it is a very delicate topic.

[Daevion]

in some cultures suicide is a public service...

[paradox]

yea, like this one.... :fear

[Lilith]

I think I'm gonna go jump off a couch now.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously though, it seems that "I'm gonna kill myself" is the trend lately to grab attention. In my history people that are set on doing it, don't cry out for help prior. They just stand up one day and do it. It's sad, but true.

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i would rather sit and listen to a million Wolfs then see some one i care about or any one else for that matter gone or have the signs/problems of a failed attempt.

If it is for attention or not that person obvioulsy there has to be soemthing flaoting around in there head that is casueing so much tumoil that they obviouly are thinking of it. People just dotn write note to get attention, perhaps they need attention and that is why they feel like being gone, but in my experience that need for attention and not gettign the appropiate attention can lead a person to go.

IF they or some one they know does not seek soem type of help for them it very well may one day come to it. While most of us see it as a ploy for attention most if not all Counslers etc... see it as cry for Help. Which would you rather place you bet on?

I am sure there are some "fakes" but i know at elast one who threatened it and threathened for many years and every one was like oh look WOlf and BAm he did it last year........He never got any help and felt let down by those who said he cried wolf..... Most times those who seemingly are looking for attention have no freaking idea other then they are alone why they feel that way or what they are looking for or what would even make it better. Perhpas if some one would have taken time to seek why he even spoke the word n the first place he would still be here.

I also know one all to well who you would have never thought would have tried But he did and thank god he failed. :innocent

You cant generalize with this, each person is so diffrent and there circumstances are so diffrent that every one cant be Crying Wolf.

Perhaps the trend may not be for attention but out side factors, let really look at our world, many out of JOBS, many seeing friends and family out of jobs, this is casueing allot of stress, War, disasters, divorce rape crime, poverty those all are high trneds right now so perhaps the TREND for attention may stem from the Trends of our world.

[Blackmail]

i would rather sit and listen to a million Wolfs then see some one i care about or any one else for that matter  gone or have the signs/problems of a failed attempt. 

If it is for attention or not that person obvioulsy there  has to be soemthing flaoting around in there head that is casueing  so much tumoil that they obviouly are thinking of it. People just dotn write note to get attention, perhaps they need attention and that is why they feel like being gone, but in my experience that need for attention and not gettign the appropiate attention can lead a person to go.

IF they or some one they know does not seek soem type of help for them it very well may one day come to it.  While most of us see it as a ploy for attention most if not all Counslers etc... see it as cry for Help.  Which would you rather place you bet on?

I am sure there are some "fakes" but i know at elast one who threatened it  and threathened for many years and every one was like oh look WOlf and BAm he did it last year........He never got any help and felt let down by those who said he cried wolf..... Most times those who seemingly are looking for attention have no freaking idea other then they are alone why they feel that way or what they are looking for or what would even make it better.  Perhpas if some one would have taken time to seek why he even spoke the word n the first place he would still be here.

I also know one all to well who you would have never thought would have tried But he did and thank god he failed.  :innocent

You cant generalize with this, each person is so diffrent and there circumstances are so diffrent that every one cant be Crying Wolf.

Perhaps the trend may not be for attention but out side factors, let really look at our world, many out of JOBS, many seeing friends and family out of jobs, this is casueing allot of stress,  War, disasters, divorce rape crime, poverty those all are high trneds right now so perhaps the TREND for attention may stem from the Trends of our world.

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Most of us naturally feel like these "wolves" are lame and tiring.

But really we should be looking at it like you are, and I hope that we can start doing that. Your attitude is much more giving and hopefully your attitude towards these people can make a difference.

I know one dgn'er who has had lots of personal problems and I got annoyed with that person's myriad of complaints. But I have been rethinking things lately and I should have been nicer to this person and I want to start trying to be.

[Lilith]

Most of us naturally feel like these "wolves" are lame and tiring.

But really we should be looking at it like you are, and I hope that we can start doing that.  Your attitude is much more giving and hopefully your attitude towards these people can make a difference.

I know one dgn'er who has had lots of personal problems and I got annoyed with that person's myriad of complaints.  But I have been rethinking things lately and I should have been nicer to this person and I want to start trying to be.

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I too think it is a natural Human response, for a lack of better words, to Ignore or view some as lame etc. I just wonder why, me not knowing all in that persons life i wonder what really is the root of the problem, I am sure it is nothing on the surface, it may never be one thing they mention but a list of things from the past that have never been taken care of, they may even cause allot of the problems they complain about for them selves and we as an outsider can plainly see it but often when you are in the middle of things you cant see clearly, but why? What happen to that person so long ago to hurt them and cause this type of reaction latter in life? I simply don’t know, I do know how ever it is not in me to, again for alack of better words, to belittle or hurt these people, as i or no one never knows what would be the last straw for another. I Take the approach i do because i don’t think i could personally live with myself knowing that perhaps my harsh words were part to blame for this person taking there own life. I have no business making any one else life hell or adding to there hell if they are not intentionally or accidentally doing anything to harm me of my family. For me i have no other choice but to one keep my harsh words to myself or two try to be understanding, speak of things openly and honestly in a way that is not harmful or hurtful. I am not perfect at this but i do try.

something along time ago was said to me, every time i do something or make a decision i should first try to look at the situation and forget what every one else did wrong or what have you and think what part did i play in this and how could i as a good person make it better. You make choices in life and every choice you make effects other people weather you want to believe it or not or weather not you know the person your choice can defiantly make a difference in some one else’s life.

please dont take any of this personally as i am just explaining me and why i am me.

[Nienna]

I used to be one of those people posting that stuff. I still feel like that I just stopped posting it. I guess I did it because the response reminded me that someone actually cared, even alittle, enough to post. I donno. I almost always have some sense of desire to commit suicide. I probably never actually will. I think alot of people are like that.

[Aralis]

I as well never know what to say or post. I would prolly try to cheer them up and say things will get better but I always feel uncomfortable and feel like nothing I can say will help. I have talked to friends online who have felt that way and I really feel so helpless and not sure how to comfort them.

[Scary Guy]

Just remember, suicide isn't goth, it's Emo

You don't want to be Emo

[Blackmail]

Just remember, suicie isn't goth, it's Emo

You don't want to be Emo

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:laughing

there should be a sign with exactly those words at city club.

[Onyx]

:laughing

there should be a sign with exactly those words at city club.

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:grin :laughing

Yes!!!

[Lilith]

:laughing

there should be a sign with exactly those words at city club.

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lol now that i agree with :fear

[ManicQueen]

I used to be one of those people posting that stuff. I still feel like that I just stopped posting it. I guess I did it because the response reminded me that someone actually cared, even alittle, enough to post. I donno. I almost always have some sense of desire to commit suicide. I probably never actually will. I think alot of people are like that.

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I can relate to that although, I've never posted anything about how I feel and I never will. I think about suicide all the time but I'd never do it because I have a serious phobia of death. But I still think about it and wonder who it would effect, etc. :erm

[Head Wreck]

i have a fatal allergy of death.

though, if i become emo. plese behead me shortly after my sepeku. you'll be doing me a favour

[Brenda Starrr]

Just remember, suicide isn't goth, it's Emo

You don't want to be Emo

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Truer words were never spoken. Emo blows. Don't be Emo.

[Lilith]

I used to be one of those people posting that stuff. I still feel like that I just stopped posting it. I guess I did it because the response reminded me that someone actually cared, even alittle, enough to post. I donno. I almost always have some sense of desire to commit suicide. I probably never actually will. I think alot of people are like that.

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i would not see this as a wolf scenerio...as well as many other similar to this.. You honestly feel hurt and honestly think of the possiablilities...... if typing those thoughts and getting some relief from the resposne you recieve helps you stop thinking of the possiablilities..... there is nothing wrong with it. I would actually think it is more healthier for you to express those thoughts and gain releif or a better understanding then keeping them bottled up inside and letting the build untill you are not longer "afraid" of what the possiablilites may bring.

Most of us do think of death, and most of us do not do it because of fear of death it self, or hell, or the people we know hwo depend on us. If typing and gaining soem relief keeps the fear of death far above the fear of living, i say type away, get it out, dont let it build.

[Homicidalheathen]

I just wanted to say that seeing others in the same boat does make me feel less like doing it and that I also feel right now talking about it less and pushing those thoughts out of my head is working better for me.

[DarkVampire]

Better to see a cry for help than see the corpse of a coward who took their life because they thought it sucked. Sorry but I disagree with someone taking their own life because they thought it sucked and there was no use living on. You create the hell you live in, deal with it. Life is about adversity and problems, we define ourselves on how we deal with it, not how we run away from it.

This applies to those who use drugs to escape reality on a daily basis they are no better.

I am more than happy to help those who cry out for help, which is why I post personal things that I feel, so they can see that they are not alone in dealing with these problems and maybe gain some strength or insight from it.

[paradox]

suicide doesnt not automatically equal cowardice. life is never totally within our control. each situation should be judged individually, as each person is an individual with their own motivations. you cant possibly assert that they arent happier now because you are not them and none of us really knows what comes next. suicide is never a comfortable or pleasant thing for those left behind, and, socially, its an incredibly selfish act, but to condemn it as a cheap escape is disrespectful of each persons unique circumstance, emotions and motivations. suicide isnt necessarily a retreat. sometimes its is a statement or an ultimate retort. sometimes its a logical conclusion. sometimes its an emotional responce. sometimes its utterly meaningless.

are terminally ill people who opt for suicide cowards? what if there just isnt any help for you? what if its your only option, within the context of your paradigm? what if it serves to help others? what if its just that you feel like you no longer serve a purpose and this is a solution?

its never (or at leats hardly ever) the same thing. sweeping generalizations are bound to miss the point.

[DarkVampire]

I should define it better. Suicide in a healthy person who is not suffering from a terminal illness, or a self sacrifice (those who put their life on the line to save another) is not acceptable.

Example. My friend, healthy and happy in her life, just broke up with her boyfriend. Since she can't stand the loss of him she kills herself. That is unacceptable. That is the cowardly way out of a problem. Losing a love one, in death or seperation, is painful, yes but you will learn and move on. Deal with the situation don't throw your life away, that is a waste.

Now a person who will suffer the rest of their short life because of lets say an unoperable cancer that is painful and will eventually kill them than suicide would be acceptable.

A person who sacrifices themselves to save another is a acceptable honorable suicide.

[paradox]

to quote obi wan, from a certain point of view.

[DarkVampire]

to quote obi wan, from a certain point of view.

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Of course. =)