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Given that I am a very introverted person and (believe it or not) painfully shy, it has taken me all this time to get up enough nerve to post about my experience Thursday night. Yes, we had fun, but it came at quite a cost. When we first arrived, I had taken a picture of the group. I noticed a lady cover her face. I took that as a cue that she DID NOT want her picture taken. So I honored that. After we got seated, I saw sekhmet sitting on the end, next to Troy, looking adorable as usual, so I took a picture of her and Troy. The lady covered her face again so when she moved her hands, I caught her eye and tried to let her know I was taking a picture of the cute couple and that I liked her hair, but I was unprepared for the onslaught of words that followed regarding taking pictures of others. At that point, we kept to ourselves at our table because I began to have an anxiety attack due to a similar incident that had occurred at Chernobyl's Gala a few years back that took me nearly 3 months to recover from. After what felt like forever, I heard the lady say something about not coming back if some situation happened and shortly after that I heard her leaving. Next thing I knew Troy was crouch at the side of our table saying something, but, unfortunately, by this time I was in full blown panic attack and automatic response mode. It wasn't until Troy side what sounded like, "I got the stand that matches my face", which was totally incorrect, but it was just enough of a startle to my logical mind to snap me out of my, then, current state. So Troy, I truly thank you for that. So, with that said, if anyone should happen to see the lady with the long hair, who covers her face when pictures are taken, please let her know that the idiot in the top hat with the camera phone was just trying to say, "I like your hair, it's very pretty." Thank you.

I feel that there's different ways to handle people, based on why they believe what they believe. I think that for MOST people, belittling or being a jerk about it is only going to reinforce their ideas. "This person who believes differently than I do is being a jerk, therefore people who believe differently than me are bad people and should be avoided." See what that does? It just shuts down the whole conversation. You've lost them. I'm not talking about people who know the truth and lie about it for personal gain. Those people can fuck off. Those are the ones you should feel free to belittle, if it makes you feel better. What would be better would be to expose them as frauds, though. This ends their shenanigans and shows the people who believed them that they should do more research, which also opens them up to reason. Besides the liars, there's the people who just don't know from lack of information and the people who are scared. People who are scared - When you're told from the time you're a baby that things are a certain way and that there are eternal repercussions for going against it, damn right you're going to be scared! That idea is a part of life for you just like knowing that if you jump into an active volcano, you're going to die. You've probably never seen it happen and you've certainly never tested it out yourself, but you believe it to be true because that's what you've been told and it seems logical to you. With these people you have to take baby steps. Trying to force a person like this will just make them never want to talk to you again. Forcing a person to do something they're scared of will make them shut down and then you've lost them. People who have a lack of information - These people fall into two groups: those that are willing to learn but may be apprehensive and those that are willfully ignorant. Many times I feel that the willfully ignorant are just scared, which takes you back to the scared group and the need for a more gentle approach. As for the ones that are willing to learn, as long as you don't be a condescending jerk about it you should get far with them. If someone seriously won't listen to reason after taking all of that into consideration, you need to just walk away. You'll only frustrate yourself and that frustration will spill into the rest of your life. I agree that religion CAN be dangerous. I also see hope people can think they need it. The idea that when I die I'm just going to cease to exist scares me. I have an overly strong fear of death because of this. It would be a lot more comforting if I believed that there was somewhere I would go. The human brain doesn't handle the idea of not existing well. It would also be nice if I felt there was someone looking out for me, that I could talk to when things get tough, and that loves me unconditionally. Everyone needs that. I won't delude myself into believing in a god just to have those things because I'd know in my heart that it's not true, but it would be nice. That's what you're fighting against. Taking away someone's security blanket is going to be hard. It's even harder if you're a jerk about it.

I seem to be "up arrowing" tons of posts even if I don't agree with what they are saying. (The little up arrow in the bottom right of every post) On DGN the "up arrow" is not an agreement or a "i like this" what it means is "I appreciate you taking the time to post this" that is the extent of its meaning. But it is NOT a "like" button (really wish that stupid heart wasn't there) The idea being "thanks for posting this content even if I don't agree/like what its talking about. Without moderately decent posts we'd have nothing to read.

I suppose you guys use it how you want to, and I'll use it how I want to. I like the upvote idea and I wish there was a downvote option (although that would probably work out badly for me, I still don't care.) I don't think it should mean "I appreciate your post" because then I'd feel really unappreciated way more than I do . I also appreciate everyone who posts, even if I don't agree, and I don't want to hit that button every time someone does post, nor do I want an email notification every time someone sees my post. Really if you want to change its meaning stop calling it an upvote is the first thing that needs to be done. Although, if you really want to change its meaning you don't have to recode anything. All you need to do is edit the image file to something else, and maybe if you want it to say "thanks" or something then expand the bit of code that defines the image size. The heart is probably the same way with just a number overlaid on top of it (yep) so that could be easily changed (or just completely taken out) as well.

As far as Hellraiser goes, my order goes 2, 1, then the rest. Everything after 4 was crap too and even that kind of sucked for reasons I won't get into (plotholes? more like plotcraters.) I used to hang out on the Cenobite.com forums too a long time ago when +ripps was running things. I remember talking to him one time, found out he was from A2 and liked NIN but that's another story. I heard recently they're remaking Hellraiser, with Clive writing it and Doug reprising his roll as Pinhead. I do hope it comes to fruition and doesn't suck but I'm sure if they're involved it will get the justice it deserves.

Exactly this I think the idea of it originated from the movie "Caveman" which was a scientifically inaccurate comedy on early life. It was slightly more accurate than The Flintstones, slightly. I think that was the first time a three letter repeated word was used to represent sex "zug zug." Oh look, I found the full movie in the sidebar. Now what you probably meant was the act of screwing a man to death. There are a few examples of this. A boy and his dog is a great horrible post apocalyptic flick. I won't go into detail but basically everyone in the movie is horrible and deserves to die, and a few of them actually get to! Found this too, although it's out of order chronologically. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OutWithABang I also remember seeing this on USA Up All Night, it was pretty horrible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal_Women_in_the_Avocado_Jungle_of_Death I didn't see it listed in the above, so maybe I remembered it wrong but I'm pretty sure they wanted to use the men as breeding stock. I also can't believe Duckman didn't touch on this topic at least once.