Yup, a normal house on a rental here is MINIMUM $1,000 and that's in a place you wouldn't want to live. Shit, just to live someplace where my house wasn't getting broken into, I could send my kid out to play, and I don't have to worry about getting carjacking at gunpoint like my neighbor did my MORTGAGE, not even rent, is $1,500. And that's with a good interest rate. If Doug and I were working a general labor job instead of learned trades we'd be underwater. You can't live in a safe neighborhood with a house that isn't dilapidated in any kind of actual suburban or city setting working a normal job at some place like Meijer. Anyone who argues otherwise does so out of ignorance and a lack of life experience, periodt.