Adam and Eve

[DeadBurgerKing (10)]

I wanted to make a new thread for this conversation...I am highly intrested in hearing theories and weither or not the race has actually been proven...

[honeymustard02]

I'll try to explain why I PERSONALLY think adam and eve were not white.

It has been pretty heavily shown that we originated somewhere around africa and the middle east.

Now stick with me. One of the skins defenses against the sun is color. Hense why pale people fry like bacon in the sun. NOW if we have been shown to come from the middle east or africa it would be pretty easy to place that the first human would not have been white. Survival of the fittest I guess. We couldn't do very well if everytime we turned around we had 3rd degree sunburns.

On to the other part. As we evolved we spread across the world. Meaning we had to adapt to different climates and what not. Now this would mean in the long run we'd end up changing color. Kind of like a mood ring lol. Ok sorry thought it was funny.

As simple as this seems it makes sense to me. Personally that's all I care about. I'm not saying that they weren't white I'm just saying I believe they were more then likely dark.

[Scary Guy]

Simply put, no we can't.

Personally I believe they were all hairy from just being evolved and all.

[n0Mad]

Genesis does state that the Garden of Eden lay between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. (Probably not spelled right.) There actually are rivers by those names in the country of *mumble* but whether they are the biblical rivers or just named after the biblical rivers I'm still saying they'd have dark skin like all native inhabitants of *mumble*.

On a side note, do you think they had belly buttons? If they were made from clay then they wouldn't have imbilical cords, so why would they?

[phee]

I believe that they are alagorical symbols.... For example according to the bible... eve was made from adams rib.... and rib bones are sort of a greyish white color...

yah know... kinda hard to apply race to such things.. .if we take them literally...

[kellygrrrrrl]

I read Genesis a whole bunch of times. It didn't say what they were. In my opinion, I think race is not important to the moral of the story.

:whistling

[phee]

I read Genesis a whole bunch of times.  It didn't say what they were.  In my opinion, I think race is not important to the moral of the story.

:whistling

I would agree

[honeymustard02]

As said in the other post. I am not talking about what was written in the bible. I am talking about actual humans known to exsist.

Like the show I saw just the other day that found one genetic link between all males that could be traced back to one man in africa or there about. I don't remember exact names of places.

[phee]

As said in the other post. I am not talking about what was written in the bible. I am talking about actual humans known to exsist.

Like the show I saw just the other day that found one genetic link between all males that could be traced back to one man in africa or there about. I don't remember exact names of places.

That would be my uncle Rick

[kellygrrrrrl]

*Yawn*

boo

sna

bluh

[honeymustard02]

that name rings a bell......i think they said it was Rick and Eve. Not adam. My bad.

That would be my uncle Rick

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[The_Dark]

There is no way to prove or disprove any of it. Logically though we can draw some conclusions... as long as we have all the parameters of what is "Man" down first.

Like... What do you consider to be the first "Man" and "Woman"? Would you, if they were alive today, think of them as a "Man" and a "Woman"? Or would you think of them as well... Apes that walk alot more like us?

Now.. if we can all decide exactly what the first "Man" and "Woman" were.. and when... and where... we can have a pretty good idea what color they were.

And it still will have exactly Zilch to do with anything that matters in life.

BTW... If you shave an ape.. what color is it?

[honeymustard02]

green

There is no way to prove or disprove any of it. Logically though we can draw some conclusions... as long as we have all the parameters of what is "Man" down first.

Like... What do you consider to be the first "Man" and "Woman"? Would you, if they were alive today, think of them as a "Man" and a "Woman"? Or would you think of them as well... Apes that walk alot more like us?

Now.. if we can all decide exactly what the first "Man" and "Woman" were.. and when... and where... we can have a pretty good idea what color they were.

And it still will have exactly Zilch to do with anything that matters in life.

BTW... If you shave an ape.. what color is it?

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[Vater Araignee]

Can we prove the race of Adam and Eve?

No, A&E are just part of a creation story and if they did exist their names would have more likely been Ugh and Ohoh.

Now that we have concluded that two people by the names of Adam and Eve most likely didn't exist in the strict context of the story let look at this question.

Where the characters of Adam and Eve really intended to represent the transition from Ancient Homo Sapien to Modern Homo Sapien?

Yes there is a distinction between the two, though purely mental.

[Guest Megalicious]

On a side note, do you think they had belly buttons?  If they were made from clay then they wouldn't have imbilical cords, so why would they?

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That is a mindfuck question Scott! None the less it got my brain thinking ... it needed a kickstart today. =)

[Der Nister]

I've always had issues with the A&E story and this is my reason. The story is flawed 100%. The bible states that God created Adam and then Eve. They had two sons Cain and Able (sp?) and from there the human race moved on.

Ok question. So how did they reproduce after this? Only logical answer - insest. It's either that or the bible is flawed. I've spoken with dozens of religous people about this topic and the only answer they give me is - "you have to have faith in God".

I have also asked about the integrity of the bible. My reason for this is because simply the bible was writen by man - not God. They are based on 'gospels' (i.e. stories) by men and there "experiances".

So back to this threads question about their race (my answer) is - none. Because they didn't exist (imo).

[Homicidalheathen]

I know someone who thinks they were the first of a few deposited here by aliens.

I think its funny.

[Gauge]

I'll try to explain why I PERSONALLY think adam and eve were not white.

It has been pretty heavily shown that we originated somewhere around africa and the middle east.

  Now stick with me. One of the skins defenses against the sun is color. Hense why pale people fry like bacon in the sun. NOW if we have been shown to come from the middle east or africa it would be pretty easy to place that the first human would not have been white. Survival of the fittest I guess. We couldn't do very well if everytime we turned around we had 3rd degree sunburns.

  On to the other part. As we evolved we spread across the world. Meaning we had to adapt to different climates and what not. Now this would mean in the long run we'd end up changing color. Kind of like a mood ring lol. Ok sorry thought it was funny. 

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agreed on the first part, things seem to be set in middle east areas. i think the evolution of moving to different continents probably lightened/darkened the skin a bit to make black, white and inbetween.

Simply put, no we can't.

Personally I believe they were all hairy from just being evolved and all.

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while i dont believe in the god-created-us-from-dirt-theory either i think his question is more of a what if.

On a side note, do you think they had belly buttons?  If they were made from clay then they wouldn't have imbilical cords, so why would they?

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if were folowing in the god theory the first (adam and eve) probably didnt. . .that probably didnt happen till their kids

im going to leave it at that and hold back the rant i feel coming on about this whole theory in hopes not to offend any of you =)

[BrassFusion]

I'm gonna put it forward that it's not possible to draw the line between the first true human and its parent. Evolution is such a gradual process. There could've been some different racial characteristics before we lost all the body hair and stood upright, but A. it would be hard to tell and B. I haven't heard any information on it so far anyway.

Sorry for misinterpreting you in an earlier thread, Honey, but I stand behind my assertion that there is no single "Eve" because she, too, had a mother.

And mama fishbones probably wasn't black or white...

[The_Dark]

I would just like to put forward... People dont have hair to keep warm. Fossil records and such show that at one point in time Homo Sapien Sapien (Moderen Man) had little to no hair at all. It came back to the way it is today for Vanity's sake.

[BrassFusion]

Uh, I meant body hair from other species that Homo sapiens sapiens evolved from. Assuming you're into that.

Edit: And yes, I realize that you're more evolved than the rest of us. Get off my nuts about it, ok? GOSH.

[JaneDead]

I've always had issues with the A&E story and this is my reason. The story is flawed 100%. The bible states that God created Adam and then Eve. They had two sons Cain and Able (sp?) and from there the human race moved on.

Ok question. So how did they reproduce after this? Only logical answer - insest. It's either that or the bible is flawed. I've spoken with dozens of religous people about this topic and the only answer they give me is - "you have to have faith in God".

I have also asked about the integrity of the bible. My reason for this is because simply the bible was writen by man - not God. They are based on 'gospels' (i.e. stories) by men and there "experiances".

So back to this threads question about their race (my answer) is - none. Because they didn't exist (imo).

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ditto, ditto, ditto

[BrassFusion]

I've always had issues with the A&E story and this is my reason. The story is flawed 100%. The bible states that God created Adam and then Eve. They had two sons Cain and Able (sp?) and from there the human race moved on.

Ok question. So how did they reproduce after this? Only logical answer - insest. It's either that or the bible is flawed. I've spoken with dozens of religous people about this topic and the only answer they give me is - "you have to have faith in God".

I have also asked about the integrity of the bible. My reason for this is because simply the bible was writen by man - not God. They are based on 'gospels' (i.e. stories) by men and there "experiances".

So back to this threads question about their race (my answer) is - none. Because they didn't exist (imo).

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Didn't notice this one earlier.

I don't believe in Genesis either, but they had more children than Cain and Abel. Their third son was Seth, and they had an indeterminate number more. They also presumably had daughters, but they didn't really list women in the "begat" section because women were more like accessories.

And yeah, pretty sure Genesis wants us to believe that Seth got it on with at least one of his sisters.

[torn asunder]

so, basically, according to the bible, the world was entirely populated through the practice of incest... :blink

:erm

[Steven]

so, basically, according to the bible, the world was entirely populated through the practice of incest...  :blink

:erm

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yes.