Whats Your Opinions

[Hellion]

:devil I have not right now come up with an opinion on this BS,but a one world government will be the death of planet earth.

[Hellion]

:devil http://www.pushhamburger.com/unite.htm

This was very interesting to read.

[BrassFusion]

We won't know till we accomplish it, but I don't see how a unilateral government could be any more violent and evil than what's happening now, REGARDLESS of the economic and social tendencies of it- i'd have to assume that any one-world government that actually succeeds will do it on the basis of accepting diversity rather than assimilating what they don't understand (Christian and Muslim theocracies).

[The_Dark]

We, the human inhabitants, of this pretty ball in space are in no way even close to ready for a one world government.

[BrassFusion]

We, the human inhabitants, of this pretty ball in space are in no way even close to ready for a one world government.

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how could we know if we're "ready" for one until we achieve it? and how could the fallout of a failure of a one-world government be worse than whatever led up to it?

[kellygrrrrrl]

I was going to start my own threade, I had this written all nice and pretty, copied to paste, and it didn't work...so statrting from scratch.

I waqs talking to my husband last nite.

I have a lot on my mind....nothing I can help really...but it sure takes a toll on how I feel about things overall.

So I said to him, "You know, everything is BULLSHIT"

He says, "thats a bold statement...what do you mean?"

I said, "It's just that, Everything is Bullshit...everything...Politically, Religiously, Economically, Socially, Medically, Environmentally, right down to the biological level.

Everything....is well, FUCKED.

I then asked him if he was afraid of the outcome or the fate of the world....

He says OF COURSE....who isn't. Everybody thinks about these things at some point or another.

So I asked, well, what do you do? Don't you get sad about it? Don't you get afraid? He says yes. So I say well what do you do?

He says just not think about it.

Which to me, seems so hollow.

So what do I do?

Some people take pills. SOme take drugs. Some drink, some sleep it off, some eat for comfort....

and so on.

no wonder everyone is so upset. Take a look around.

and because of it, people are getting cancers, ulcers, liver deterioration, and worse from self-medicating....

AHHH it's too much.

on the surface everything seems shiney and ok...but it's not...not at all.

SO what CAN we do.

One government? New world Order?

I don't think that'll work...

rant rant

The world has me sad, angry and bitter.

I'm happy and cheerful on the surface, but inside, I am sad and scared of the potential outcome or fate of the world.

[The_Dark]

BF - For us to have a One World Government you would have to at least have most people agreeing to it. Then you would have to kill the rest of them or spend eternity fighting them.

You get past those two hurtles and everything else is easy.

[BrassFusion]

BF - For us to have a One World Government you would have to at least have most people agreeing to it. Then you would have to kill the rest of them or spend eternity fighting them.

You get past those two hurtles and everything else is easy.

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There are a lot of people who don't agree with everything America stands for, but our constitution makes diversity of opinion somewhat stable. We make it work in this country with a minimum of killing dissidents. We have it so good here, most of the dissidents don't even seem to want to leave. I don't see why it couldn't work on a larger scale. Not in the foreseeable future, of course, but who knows what'll happen in 3,000 years?

[HipsterDufus]

Everything....is well, FUCKED.

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I have no words of comfort to offer you, because I feel pretty much the same way. I think that just the fact that I don't want children is symptomatic of how I feel both about the world and myself.

I find it interesting that on almost every level (artistically, politically, philosophically, societally, etc.) there are eloquent speakers on the problems with humanity. Brilliant commentaries on the human condition and what it's become since the industrial revolution. I think on some level, almost every human being feels so alone, scared, and utterly useless that it just beats us into a corner that we can't get out of. And it seems like those that do not admit those feelings are just being dishonest.

So, what do we do? We drink, do drugs, fuck, find religion, lose religion, watch crappy movies, play sports, etc. All of it to take our minds off the fact that our lives are pretty much in an uncontrollable spiral towards the end of humanity. Of all of those beautiful commentaries on the problems with humanity, not one has offered a solution that has truly made us happy.

My true thoughts on it: our brains have grown too intelligent. We've got too much time to dwell on our own lives, rather than focusing on the animal instinct of survival. This is why we need the constant distractions of all of those things I mentioned. However, none of them will fix the basic problem with humanity: that we can think and feel because of our wonderful brain. Death will be a blessing.

Oh yeah, and that's why I agree with BrassFusion, that it will not matter whether or not it's one world government or not. We're damned either way.

[BrassFusion]

Not sure why that's such a sad thought. People would find ways to be happy even in the context of technocracy. And that's what life is about.

Edit: Holy shit, Duf, that's not what I meant at ALL!!!!

[HipsterDufus]

Holy shit, Duf, that's not what I meant at ALL!!!!

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Yeah, sorry, I guess I kinda went my own way with that...

[The_Dark]

BF- I'm not sure what your argueing. I didn't say it could not be done, just that we are in no way ready for it as a people. Which is what your saying.

It could happen... when everyone stops thinking of themselves as Americans, Canadians, Black, White.... all that has to go away. We need to be able to see ourselves as Humans and nothing else. As long as we are still dividing ourselves, division will happen. We can't have a Unified world government without a unified people... We are not even close to that... give it a few hundred or thousand years.

[BrassFusion]

BF- I'm not sure what your argueing. I didn't say it could not be done, just that we are in no way ready for it as a people. Which is what your saying.

It could happen... when everyone stops thinking of themselves as Americans, Canadians, Black, White.... all that has to go away. We need to be able to see ourselves as Humans and nothing else. As long as we are still dividing ourselves, division will happen. We can't have a Unified world government without a unified people... We are not even close to that... give it a few hundred or thousand years.

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What I got from the exchange was that you felt we wouldn't be able to handle the system even if we were to achieve it. I think if we accomplished whatever else it took to create a global government, we might be able to make it work in the long term. Misunderstanding, probably. I agree that there's no chance of us forming a global government of any sort within the next few hundred years, but if wise aliens came out of the skies tomorrow and taught us their peaceful ways and helped us implement them... maybe.

[The_Dark]

maybe.. and if they had bigger guns than we do.

[Steven]

We, the human inhabitants, of this pretty ball in space are in no way even close to ready for a one world government.

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and that's why if and when it does present itself, it will do so by shear force.

[BrassFusion]

and that's why if and when it does present itself, it will do so by shear force.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not necessarily. Globalization and intercultural empathy are beautiful things, and we have the Internet to thank for them, in part. It could still happen.

[Steven]

I was going to start my own threade, I had this written all nice and pretty, copied to paste, and it didn't work...so statrting from scratch.

I waqs talking to my husband last nite.

I have a lot on my mind....nothing I can help really...but it sure takes a toll on how I feel about things overall.

So I said to him, "You know, everything is BULLSHIT"

He says, "thats a bold statement...what do you mean?"

I said, "It's just that, Everything is Bullshit...everything...Politically, Religiously, Economically, Socially, Medically, Environmentally, right down to the biological level.

Everything....is well, FUCKED.

I then asked him if he was afraid of the outcome or the fate of the world....

He says OF COURSE....who isn't.  Everybody thinks about these things at some point or another.

So I asked, well, what do you do?  Don't you get sad about it?  Don't you get afraid? He says yes. So I say well what do you do? 

He says just not think about it.

Which to me, seems so hollow.

So what do I do?

Some people take pills.  SOme take drugs.  Some drink, some sleep it off, some eat for comfort....

and so on.

no wonder everyone is so upset.  Take a look around.

and because of it, people are getting cancers, ulcers, liver deterioration, and worse from self-medicating....

AHHH it's too much.

on the surface everything seems shiney and ok...but it's not...not at all.

SO what CAN we do.

One government?  New world Order?

I don't think that'll work...

rant rant

The world has me sad, angry and bitter.

I'm happy and cheerful on the surface, but inside, I am sad and scared of the potential outcome or fate of the world.

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One of the things that makes you so cool Kelly, is that you just straight up say things that you may othersie want to keep personal, things like, "I'm scared...aint you??????"

to me, nohting on the surface looks shiny - to me it looks fake, manipulated, perverted, and plagerized, mechanized, etc. etc. etc......it's a process of rounding the sheep into their prospective corners....all of it I see as evil, and intentionally so.....

and it affects all of us. I dont care who you are. No one is beyond its reach.

And since you know that I am a "beleiver" in certain things, then you proabably know that all of this that you describe in this current system of things is leading to an (in my opinion and many others like me) inevitable collapse and consequential re-structuring. I beleive its' biblical. but I also beleive its simply logical and that America in particular is over ripe for the pickens and that we do not currently posses as a nation the individual ability to be formidable, as a people, we have not been formidable in many generations. Nowadays were simply educated. And technologically advanced.

I could have summed all of that above posted stuff up by saying that i think were all fucked up. I agree with you.

What can we do?

I dont know babe.....what are you called to?

Do you feel a call of any sort?

I do. Honestly, I do, but that's because I beleive certain thigns about my life and my faith and walk with God and where i come from and where I'm going... It has nothing to do with things like tree hugging, proscyletizing, lobbying, and recycling....those thigns are wonderful in balance, but they are not my gig.

and my only advice to you at this time is that you need to find your call and follow it. Because its uniquely yours, only Kelly can do what Kelly can do like only Kelly can do it.

and your right - to simply "not think about it" and therefore not deal IS a hollow approach...Hollow meaning powerless.....hollow meaning structurally weak. And I think that does not satisfy you, and in fact I'm glad to hear that it does not. And i'm not taking a shot at your husband here either in any way.

nevertheless.....I htink your finding yoru way....and I have a hunch about you anyway....

God Bless you.

Steven

[Steven]

BF - For us to have a One World Government you would have to at least have most people agreeing to it. Then you would have to kill the rest of them or spend eternity fighting them.

You get past those two hurtles and everything else is easy.

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so you get bigger guns and corral the followers and snipe the leaders.

or, starve them out. Starting with the children.

me thinks you'll (we'll) see both of these approaches in the good old US of A.

[BrassFusion]

It boggles me how y'all can be so pessimistic when it doesn't do anyone any good, in and of itself. I guess it's likely that we're heading for a bloody apocalypse, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that things will turn out OK.

Hell, things WILL turn out ok. Even if all of humanity kills each other off and renders the planet too toxic to inhabit, what's the big loss to the universe? Virtually nada. Each individual is eventually going to die anyway.

And what does that mean to you Christians? A spiritual afterlife! Bliss! Even if the universe explodes, what your god created I'm sure he can do again!

And if I'm right and nobody's hand is on the wheel... Silence. What's waiting for us all anyway simply consumes living perception and becomes everything.

I'm not saying that a nuclear apocalypse is the ideal result. Quite the opposite. I'm rooting for the aliens to bring us peace, or at the very least, the Democrats to bring our troops home (no offense, Republicans).

So until any of that happens, past the point any of it happens, why don't more people just enjoy what they have?

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

it doesnt really bother me. Ill do what I want anyway... and take things as they come. Making the best out of what is available is one of the features that makes us human.... its part of our never ending quest to alter our enviornment. Once we get all of the physical bases covered then we head towards changing social, religious, political, and economic factors. its always been taht way and always will.

unless of course you believe in Gene Roddenberrys' vision of space communism.

[pharoh]

I say what happens happens, deal with it as it comes.

[BrassFusion]

it doesnt really bother me.  Ill do what I want anyway...  and take things as they come.  Making the best out of what is available is one of the features that makes us human.... its part of our never ending quest to alter our enviornment.  Once we get all of the physical bases covered then we head towards changing social, religious, political, and economic factors.  its always been taht way and always will.

unless of course you believe in Gene Roddenberrys' vision of space communism.

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Not sure what you mean by space communism, but I sure like the sound of it.

[Steven]

for me my beleifs are not neccessarily pessimistic. I neither dread the future nor curl fetal and wait for Jesus' return....I have a life to live and thigns to do while I'm living it in order to ensure that its a life well lived as opposed to a life of just existence.

and to me.....if all of this is really just a big cosmic accident with no true meaning, that to me sounds pessimistic. or at least dryly cynical. and completely unfullfilling.....but that's just me. I "need" purpose, absolutes, a plan, a course to plot beyond just my day to day.

As for your blissful Christians comment.....I admit I chuckled a bit on that one. And I also admit that far too many Christians are living a miserable day to day existence as well.....just.....waiting for that better life, which is the antithesis of what Christ taught us to do, and what he claimed he arrived to provide for his followers. "I come to bring you abundent life" is one of his bolder statements. It often gets lost in the subtitles and blurred from the text in our everyday living.

If I was not a Christian (and I was nto born one mind you or inherit my beleifs from my family lineage) then perhaps I'd have a different point of view. But prior to - and currently with - my "Christian" worldview, I have looked at humanity and this world through past history and in my own experience, and have seemed to have recognized the same patterns over and over again in regards to how we live, what we do to one another, what power eventually equates to, and how we fail to fill the gaps for one another in a global sense. We have enough wealth and technology to solve the problems. What we dont have, and have never had, is agreement on a large scale. If we did, we'd have no world empires to study in school.

who was it...the Apostle Paul who said that "there is nothing new under the sun"????

I beleive that's true. we do what we've always done, and we'll keep on with what our history has always told about us. We're wonderfully consistent in at lest that, no?????

As for the Democrats.....I take it you jest? No better for any other political party as well. All political parties, once in power, are likewise wonderfully consistent. Great ideals, sound logic, beautiful agendas, then comes power and there ya go, back to the primitive: we want and take, what we want.

As for the aliens....(really laughing now).....the only safe bet for them is to let us wipe ourselves out, or do it for us. We'd make terrible subjects and even worse partners.

[Steven]

ooops...forgot to add this footnote:

The Grays (Aliens)....I think they'd like YOU Brass.

[HipsterDufus]

It boggles me how y'all can be so pessimistic when it doesn't do anyone any good...

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Well, you have to realize that we are "goth."

In all truth, I don't really care what happens to the rest of the world, as long as myself and the people I care about are fine. That is the only reason why I actually have any feelings about politics: to support what I think will be best for the people I care about.

What I am more pessimistic about is my own life. I sincerely doubt that I will ever do anything important with my own life (my definition of important = something that will be remembered by history). I'm not that intelligent, have relatively little ambition, and am certainly not good looking enough to be famous on a shallow level. Living in a world with 6 BILLION other people who are all struggling, I find it very difficult to attribute any sort of significance to my own life. So, as I said in my original post, I'll just play around with the distractions offered by the rest of the world until it's all over. That is human existance to me.