Whats Your Opinions

[Steven]

Well, you have to realize that we are "goth." 

In all truth, I don't really care what happens to the rest of the world, as long as myself and the people I care about are fine.  That is the only reason why I actually have any feelings about politics: to support what I think will be best for the people I care about.

What I am more pessimistic about is my own life.  I sincerely doubt that I will ever do anything important with my own life (my definition of important = something that will be remembered by history).  I'm not that intelligent, have relatively little ambition, and am certainly not good looking enough to be famous on a shallow level.  Living in a world with 6 BILLION other people who are all struggling, I find it very difficult to attribute any sort of significance to my own life.  So, as I said in my original post, I'll just play around with the distractions offered by the rest of the world until it's all over.  That is human existance to me.

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Dont be so pessimistic.

if you ever mentor or influence anybody, to do anything positive or help to create breakthrough, you'll have created an impact with a ripple effect. You'll have made a difference. Especially if that difference eqauates to leadership.

I'm not intelligent either, sometimes a wee bit clever but only marginally educated, I never use spellcheck and type too fast to be accurate let alone legible, and am constantly overbooked for my time. I also eat too many burrittos.

but I DO care....to connect.....and to hopefully challange and likewise be challenged.

oh, and I'm also not good looking enough to be famous but who cares? Besides, Brass is allready in love with me, Tina's on the fence, and Brenda has a candle burning for me but she doesent trust me because she's discovered that I am not 100% loyal to her. I may even have some other undeclared fans in here.

so do your thing. its always worth doing....

[HipsterDufus]

Dont be so pessimistic.

if you ever mentor or influence anybody, to do anything positive or help to create breakthrough, you'll have created an impact with a ripple effect.  You'll have made a difference. Especially if that difference eqauates to leadership.

I'm not intelligent either, sometimes a wee bit clever but only marginally educated, I never use spellcheck and type too fast to be accurate let alone legible, and am constantly overbooked for my time.  I also eat too many burrittos. 

but I DO care....to connect.....and to hopefully challange and likewise be challenged. 

oh, and I'm also not good looking enough to be famous but who cares?  Besides, Brass is allready in love with me, Tina's on the fence, and Brenda has a candle burning for me but she doesent trust me because she's discovered that I am not 100% loyal to her.  I may even have some other undeclared fans in here. 

so do your thing.  its always worth doing....

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Hey, burritos are good for the world, regardless of whether or not it's one world government.

But seriously, thanks for the kind words. I love my friends and family quite a bit and they are what keep me going. Hey, maybe one of them will become the next world leader and I'll make a difference then. Who wants to be friends with a friend of the next world leader?

[The_Dark]

BF- Have you never watched Star Trek? The Federation is a nearly perfect communist state.

[kellygrrrrrl]

Eh.....I wouldn't say pessimistic....

I would say realistic.

or maybe, I would just call it Murphy's or Brenda's Law.

I have just learned to live with it rather than being pessimistic.

If anything can go wrong, it will...I know it....I'm am in a constant, DUCK AND COVER!!! mode.

I get a little defeated...I do. It brings me down....but somehow, I pull through and still smile....I keep on a trucking.

I'M SMILING SEE!

:grin <-----SEE????

as far as a calling?....well, I guess I just haven't had one.

I just do things I think will make others feel happy, which for some reason makes me feel happy too.....

I say all those things because deep down it's true. There is no resolve really.

I just like to point it out and not feel so alone in all this....you know? Makes Kelly feel less insane? Maybe? Just for a minute.

=)

[HipsterDufus]

I say all those things because deep down it's true.  There is no resolve really.

I just like to point it out and not feel so alone in all this....you know?  Makes Kelly feel less insane? Maybe? Just for a minute.

=)

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You're definitely not alone. Both Sarah and I have felt this way for a long time, as have many people that we know. I'm sure more people than you'd think have felt this way. Most people just can't admit it.

[phee]

I have read a bunch of this thread....

And I think it is pretty cool the way the discussion is going... good debate....

One thing that has not been mentioned is how small (in the grand scheme of things) that humans really are.... look at the picture that kelly put up in this thread to see what I mean...

Religion? Politics? Government? I Once heard a figure that if the entire Billions of years that the universe has been around were equated with one year.... the earth would have been around about 4-5 minutes of that year and life on earth for about 7-8 seconds of that year, and humans only a few hundredths of a second of that year... It makes things seem so small to me.... the fact that we kill each other over who's imaginary friend is better (religion) or which peace of dirt is according to a book "ours".... seems so... well small.

human life is so very finite... concepts like religion/gods/economics are so finite...

It makes me want to simply survive in comfort....

And along with the whole "Star Trek" idea.... Spock: "The Universe will unfold as it must"

[Steven]

Eh.....I wouldn't say pessimistic....

I would say realistic.

or maybe, I would just call it Murphy's or Brenda's Law.

I have just learned to live with it rather than being pessimistic.

If anything can go wrong, it will...I know it....I'm am in a constant, DUCK AND COVER!!! mode.

I get a little defeated...I do.  It brings me down....but somehow, I pull through and still smile....I keep on a trucking.

I'M SMILING SEE!

:grin <-----SEE????

as far as a calling?....well, I guess I just haven't had one.

I just do things I think will make others feel happy, which for some reason makes me feel happy too.....

I say all those things because deep down it's true.  There is no resolve really.

I just like to point it out and not feel so alone in all this....you know?  Makes Kelly feel less insane? Maybe? Just for a minute.

=)

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you seem to have a pretty good grip on sanity to me....

and maybe your more in touch with your calling than you realize, or simply need some layers peeled back or some unneccesary's unpacked and tossed aside....

[BrassFusion]

Besides, Brass is allready in love with me(...)

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Steven: When you make a counterintuitive far-out claim, you have to support it with evidence from reputable sources.

Dark: I kinda liked Star Trek, never got into caring about what happened between episodes. And when they started talking about anything political, I kinda zoned out and changed it.

In regard to having a "calling": I think it's possible, but unlikely, and I don't understand why the absence of a calling upsets people. I don't feel it's cynical to believe that this, right now, is all we have. If I'm right, I certainly won't regret my hollow life when I'm dead.

[Steven]

I have read a bunch of this thread....

And I think it is pretty cool the way the discussion is going... good debate....

One thing that has not been mentioned is how small (in the grand scheme of things) that humans really are.... look at the picture that kelly put up in this thread to see what I mean...

Religion? Politics? Government? I Once heard a figure that if the entire Billions of years that the universe has been around were equated with one year.... the earth would have been around about 4-5 minutes of that year and life on earth for about 7-8 seconds of that year, and humans only a few hundredths of a second of that year... It makes things seem so small to me.... the fact that we kill each other over who's imaginary friend is better (religion) or which peace of dirt is according to a book "ours".... seems so... well small.

human life is so very finite... concepts like religion/gods/economics are so finite...

It makes me want to simply survive in comfort....

And along with the whole "Star Trek" idea.... Spock: "The Universe will unfold as it must"

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cool post Phee. and nice pants.

its exactly that finite thing your referring to that makes this planet and its inhabitants so peculiarly "special"........

for me, its hard to beleive that that brief glipse of existence amongst all of this other cosmic reality is really just for nothing, of nothing, just a quick meaningless blip that accounts to nothing.........

people are fighting for their lives, a return to passion and meaning, a chance for self expression, a place at the communal table, a legacy to leave....all ofo us desire these things in some form or another......for me I could never bear to teach a child that its all just a blip on the radar.......what a tragic lesson.

[Steven]

Eh.....I wouldn't say pessimistic....

I would say realistic.

or maybe, I would just call it Murphy's or Brenda's Law.

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oh, forgot to add.... I love my Brenda but I just cant get with her on this one......and Murphey I don't know so he just dont count....

[phee]

cool post Phee.  and nice pants.

its exactly that finite thing your referring to that makes this planet and its inhabitants so peculiarly "special"........ 

for me, its hard to beleive that that brief glipse of existence amongst all of this other cosmic reality is really just for nothing, of nothing, just a quick meaningless blip that accounts to nothing.........

people are fighting for their lives, a return to passion and meaning, a chance for self expression, a place at the communal table, a legacy to leave....all ofo us desire these things in some form or another......for me I could never bear to teach a child that its all just a blip on the radar.......what a tragic lesson.

Good response sir.... and on a side note... loved your show

[BrassFusion]

cool post Phee.  and nice pants.

its exactly that finite thing your referring to that makes this planet and its inhabitants so peculiarly "special"........ 

for me, its hard to beleive that that brief glipse of existence amongst all of this other cosmic reality is really just for nothing, of nothing, just a quick meaningless blip that accounts to nothing.........

people are fighting for their lives, a return to passion and meaning, a chance for self expression, a place at the communal table, a legacy to leave....all ofo us desire these things in some form or another......for me I could never bear to teach a child that its all just a blip on the radar.......what a tragic lesson.

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We're not necessarily the only consciousness. There could be thousands of alien civilizations from the past, present, and future that make similar blips, and some of them maybe even have come into contact with one another, extending their influence across a never-ending galactic web of knowledge. Maybe they used this knowledge to create God millions of years ago. The possibilities are as limitless as the universe.

It only becomes depressing when you think about the whole radar screen. When you remember that your life touches thousands of others within that little blip, it doesn't sound so insignificant.

[Steven]

Good response sir.... and on a side note... loved your show

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thank you.

and on a threadjack, I loved your pants.

[phee]

We're not necessarily the only consciousness. There could be thousands of alien civilizations from the past, present, and future that make similar blips, and some of them maybe even have come into contact with one another, extending their influence across a never-ending galactic web of knowledge. Maybe they used this knowledge to create God millions of years ago. The possibilities are as limitless as the universe.

It only becomes depressing when you think about the whole radar screen. When you remember that your life touches thousands of others within that little blip, it doesn't sound so insignificant.

Good post Brass....

[BrassFusion]

Good post Brass....

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Good pants, Phee...

[Steven]

A:  Steven: When you make a counterintuitive far-out claim, you have to support it with evidence from reputable sources. 

B:  In regard to having a "calling": I think it's possible, but unlikely, and I don't understand why the absence of a calling upsets people. I don't feel it's cynical to believe that this, right now, is all we have. If I'm right, I certainly won't regret my hollow life when I'm dead.

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A: oh man shut up.

B: perhaps people do not recognize that the absence of a calling causes an internal void, they simply "feel" the lack, without an answer to adress it with. And perhaps I'm just wrong, period. I mean, i beleive what I posted, and I understand that others do not neccessarily buy into it. But I also beleive that I (as do many) see "evidence" of lack of purpose or a course defined as being detrimental to the psyche......I see it everywhere.

[HipsterDufus]

It only becomes depressing when you think about the whole radar screen. When you remember that your life touches thousands of others within that little blip, it doesn't sound so insignificant.

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I agree. It's very easy to get overwhelmed with everything and that's when I get depressed. It's just something that I live with and try to remind myself that at least I have the ability to feel and be glad about that.

[phee]

Think I am going to start a new thread... this one (probably my fault) has drifted off topic....

Back to NWO

[BrassFusion]

A:  oh man shut up.

B:  perhaps people do not recognize that the absence of a calling causes an internal void, they simply "feel" the lack, without an answer to adress it with.  And perhaps I'm just wrong, period.  I mean, i beleive what I posted, and I understand that others do not  neccessarily  buy into it.  But I also beleive that I (as do many) see "evidence" of lack of purpose or a course defined as being detrimental to the psyche......I see it everywhere.

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It's hard to say whether someone has a purpose that they're following. I don't like to think that every person has a calling, or a fate lined up for them. Some people just do the best they can with what they have, and it becomes fulfilling later.

I didn't have to go into music. I chose to. I almost wish I'd gone into musical theater instead, or art, or journalism, or even just plain old secondary education. But I didn't. Compared to the alternatives, I almost wish I hadn't tied myself down to the music thing. It's still playing itself out, though (ha ha!), and until I have something more fulfilling to do with myself, I'll be teaching. I don't think that was my calling. I just think it's one of the nobler things I could have chosen to do on this path so far.

[Steven]

It's hard to say whether someone has a purpose that they're following. I don't like to think that every person has a calling, or a fate lined up for them. Some people just do the best they can with what they have, and it becomes fulfilling later.

I didn't have to go into music. I chose to. I almost wish I'd gone into musical theater instead, or art, or journalism, or even just plain old secondary education. But I didn't. Compared to the alternatives, I almost wish I hadn't tied myself down to the music thing. It's still playing itself out, though (ha ha!), and until I have something more fulfilling to do with myself, I'll be teaching. I don't think that was my calling. I just think it's one of the nobler things I could have chosen to do on this path so far.

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well see then that brings us to another threadjack opportunity, that of fate versus destiny, of which many think are distinct oxymorons, whilst others (just me...hear the crickets chirping??) think they are intertwined peices of the same thing...

first - absolutely - do the best you can.

but I'll add.....that many people do not honestly do this, they say they do, but in reality they do not. (steadies self for the oncoming attack). They do not reflect with humility for example. They do not attempt to stretch themselves, they are not fond of personal ownership, etc etc etc.... that's not the best you can do but instead its really just the most comfortable you can do, which is in essence a form of misery but i digress....

[BrassFusion]

well see then that brings us to another threadjack opportunity, that of fate versus destiny, of which many think are distinct oxymorons, whilst others (just me...hear the crickets chirping??) think they are intertwined peices of the same thing...

first - absolutely - do the best you can.

but I'll add.....that many people do not honestly do this, they say they do, but in reality they do not.  (steadies self for the oncoming attack).  They do not reflect with humility for example.  They do not attempt to stretch themselves, they are not fond of personal ownership, etc etc etc.... that's not the best you can do but instead its really just the most comfortable you can do, which is in essence a form of misery but i digress....

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Is it your lot to judge who is miserable and why?

(/jack, checking out phee's spinoff)

[Steven]

Is it your lot to judge who is miserable and why?

(/jack, checking out phee's spinoff)

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no, its not.

but I happen to be alive. And I f I see something that leads me to, or reinforces a particular conclusion, hey - I'm just like you aint I?

Judgement, really has no bearing here. Otherwise we start arguin who has the right to certain points of view, and thats just silly.

All I'm doing is sharing what I think based on everything I've got in my toolbox to work with. And all that is in my lot is to live my life, give back, stand when needed, listen, learn, observe, and move when called.

[BrassFusion]

no, its not.

but I happen to be alive. And I f I see something that leads me to, or reinforces a particular conclusion, hey - I'm just like you aint I?

Judgement, really has no bearing here.  Otherwise we start arguin who has the right to certain points of view, and thats just silly.

All I'm doing is sharing what I think based on everything I've got in my toolbox to work with.  And all that is in my lot is to live my life, give back, stand when needed, listen, learn, observe, and move when called.

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All's I'm SAYIN is that some people are happy just surviving.

[Steven]

All's I'm SAYIN is that some people are happy just surviving.

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I know.

[torn asunder]

All's I'm SAYIN is that some people are happy just surviving.

and i think that's a beautiful thing, bacause so many more are surving, and terribly unhappy, which is a true shame...