Anti-politically Correct

[phee]

Oh right. Well, as I was saying...

Slope-eyes and niggers and cunts and crackers and guineas and krauts all figuratively refer to people.

Rice refers to rice.

As "Rice Mobiles" refers to "Asians" in a racist way....

[BrassFusion]

As "Rice Mobiles" refers to "Asians" in a racist way....

The phrase "Rice Mobiles" refers to cars produced by people who eat rice.

BUUUUUUUURN.

I'll give you 5000 yen if you can find a Japanese person who is offended by being accused of eating rice, but here's the kicker... The accuser has to be another Japanese person. If it were a gaijin like you or me, xenophobic paranoia might kick in.

[phee]

The phrase "Rice Mobiles" refers to cars produced by people who eat rice.

BUUUUUUUURN.

I'll give you 5000 yen if you can find a Japanese person who is offended by being accused of eating rice, but here's the kicker... The accuser has to be another Japanese person. If it were a gaijin like you or me, xenophobic paranoia might kick in.

But I eat rice and I don't make them...

Plus the term stems from intollerence.... and although you might not think it is racist personally, it is disrespectful for the majority of people who do.

(forgive my spelling typing at werk)

[Paper Hearts]

The phrase "Rice Mobiles" refers to cars produced by people who eat rice.

BUUUUUUUURN.

I'll give you 5000 yen if you can find a Japanese person who is offended by being accused of eating rice, but here's the kicker... The accuser has to be another Japanese person. If it were a gaijin like you or me, xenophobic paranoia might kick in.

I am sorry moderator people.... I will try to be more respectful in the future (edited by phee)

[BrassFusion]

But I eat rice and I don't make them...

Plus the term stems from intollerence.... and although you might not think it is racist personally, it is disrespectful for the majority of people who do.

(forgive my spelling typing at werk)

Rice-eater.

The challenge is still on. Find me a Jap who's offended by being called a rice-eater.

[BrassFusion]

Holy crap, did you just use the term "Jap" when asking a question about being offensive?

I absofuckinglutely did.

"Jap," after all, is short for "Japanese." Seems pretty harmless...

Oh, wait. They don't call it Japan, they call it Nippon. I suppose I should be more sensitive to their culture.

Should I call them Nips, for short, instead?

Hahahaha. "For short."

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Compassion > Truth

Not by a lot, but enough for it to be important.

Being "honest" or "Just telling the truth" doesn't override what i feel is everyone that sucks down air on this planet's responsibility to at least try and not cause more hurt than is nessisary.

Occasionally , there are situations were it is , unfortunately important to "tell the truth" even if it hurts. But far, FAR and away its just lazy inconsiderate self-centered folk that cant be bothered to make their points without being rude.

Regardless if people agree or disagree thats a well thought out topic post Mr. B.

[BrassFusion]

So is calling Phee a "rice eater" more or less offensive than calling a white person from Japan a "Jap?"

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So is calling Phee a "rice eater" more or less offensive than calling a white person from Japan a "Jap?"

Do you think anybody would actually think that in calling someone a Jap... they would think you meant a White person from Japan???

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Do you think anybody would actually think that in calling someone a Jap... they would think you meant a White person from Japan???

My friend Saki is a Jap. He was born in Nagano. His mother was white and his father was southeast asian, but Saki's white. There's the possibility he's illegitimate, but it does him no good to consider it. He lives in America now, anyway.

But he's still a Jap.

And for as little as I talk about "Japs," it would probably be restricted to the context of "My friend Saki's a Jap," or, "Harry's ex-wife is a Jap."

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My friend Saki is a Jap. He was born in Nagano. His mother was white and his father was southeast asian, but Saki's white. There's the possibility he's illegitimate, but it does him no good to consider it. He lives in America now, anyway.

But he's still a Jap.

And for as little as I talk about "Japs," it would probably be restricted to the context of "My friend Saki's a Jap," or, "Harry's ex-wife is a Jap."

Again... you cannot apply your ideals... and assume that the world is going to understand you... that is disrespectful. If I am in a room full of strangers and I refer to someone as a "Jap" people are going to assume that I am talking about a Japanease person in a disrespectful way, they are not going to wait for me to explain

"My friend Saki is a Jap. He was born in Nagano. His mother was white and his father was southeast asian, but Saki's white. There's the possibility he's illegitimate, but it does him no good to consider it. He lives in America now, anyway.

But he's still a Jap."

When you are talking to these people in private is one thing, but to try to apply everyone to your own world view is ignorant, and disrespectful.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

"Nips" actually was a widely used racial slur (and still is) Its all over WWII documentaries. Me privately i actually use racist terms fairly flippantly as "in reality" i dont mean anything by them. But i dont do it in situations were i know it will be misunderstood, or taken as being offensive. Usually thats a sign of maturity, not "blind following of political correctness."

Trying to argue the finer points of racist terms, with the sub context of pointing out that its "ok" is a waste of energy. Energy i think that could be spent on something that isnt trying to justify rude behavior indirectly.

Just assume that its your right to be offensive privately, and its the court of public opinion's right to tell people to STFU if they do it in public. (and they will be made to STFU by someone if they don't stop... thus "civil conduct" which , fortunately is on the rise)

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Again... you cannot apply your ideals... and assume that the world is going to understand you... that is disrespectful. If I am in a room full of strangers and I refer to someone as a "Jap" people are going to assume that I am talking about a Japanease person in a disrespectful way, they are not going to wait for me to explain

"My friend Saki is a Jap. He was born in Nagano. His mother was white and his father was southeast asian, but Saki's white. There's the possibility he's illegitimate, but it does him no good to consider it. He lives in America now, anyway.

But he's still a Jap."

When you are talking to these people in private is one thing, but to try to apply everyone to your own world view is ignorant, and disrespectful.

Or maybe it's ignorant to apply connotations that don't logically follow, and needlessly dramatic to assume the burden of other people's offense. Or lack of it. "Jap" is short for "Japanese," and by virtue of obvious etymology, probably has no specific racist annotation.

The word for "Japanese" IN Japanese is 日本語 (But don't even ask me how it's pronounced, please). There doesn't appear to be a word for Jap. That could be because we commonly abbreviate long words and co-opt them into our language. Or perhaps the translator I used assumed I wanted to know the word for the language they speak and not their nationality- there could be another word for "Citizen of Japan."

And off the topic of your assuming the offense of every Jap in the world I don't know, when was the last time you heard me use derogatory racist slang in context?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

"Nips" is what the Brits call the Japanese people... and it is deragatory.

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"Nips" is what the Brits call the Japanese people... and it is deragatory.

The word itself isn't malicious. It's an abbreviation. The intent is what drives the offense. If it were derived from a personal insult, such as the word "nigger," then it might accurately be called a derogatory term.

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Or maybe it's ignorant to apply connotations that don't logically follow, and needlessly dramatic to assume the burden of other people's offense. Or lack of it. "Jap" is short for "Japanese," and by virtue of obvious etymology, probably has no specific racist annotation.

The word for "Japanese" IN Japanese is 日本語 (But don't even ask me how it's pronounced, please). There doesn't appear to be a word for Jap. That could be because we commonly abbreviate long words and co-opt them into our language. Or perhaps the translator I used assumed I wanted to know the word for the language they speak and not their nationality- there could be another word for "Citizen of Japan."

And off the topic of your assuming the offense of every Jap in the world I don't know, when was the last time you heard me use derogatory racist slang in context?

Um... today I think

You are trying to argue that people that came up with the racist term to begin with were being logical when it was created??? You are kidding right?

And yes it has a very specific racist connotation, not because of the way it sounds, or what it is short for, but because most of the people who use it are racist, and by using the term you are inadvertantly associating yourself with them.

In essence I agree that if people were not so paranoid about language. But it must happen slowly and without ignorance... You can't refer to a Japanease person as a Jap, and then say they are at fault for being offended, because the term they way that others have used it most of the time has been a cut down, they are not mind readers and can't know you mean nothing racist by it... Like the term "rice burner" almost everytime I have heard it, it has been a cut down on the car and those who made it, and therefore that's what I think when I hear someone use the term.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Something else to consider... phee.. you used the watermelon thing repeatedly when talking about cars from Africa... Whats you beef with black people? Watermelon, in the sense you using it, is a deragatory term for black AMERICANS who are decendat from slaves. Yet, your using it in an example about people from Africa... Like everyone there is Black. That is just as racists.

See, we can choose to be offended by just about anything. Words only have as much power as you give them.

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Trying to argue the finer points of racist terms, with the sub context of pointing out that its "ok" is a waste of energy. Energy i think that could be spent on something that isnt trying to justify rude behavior indirectly.

Just assume that its your right to be offensive privately, and its the court of public opinion's right to tell people to STFU if they do it in public. (and they will be made to STFU by someone if they don't stop... thus "civil conduct" which , fortunately is on the rise)

[phee]

Something else to consider... phee.. you used the watermelon thing repeatedly when talking about cars from Africa... Whats you beef with black people? Watermelon, in the sense you using it, is a deragatory term for black AMERICANS who are decendat from slaves. Yet, your using it in an example about people from Africa... Like everyone there is Black. That is just as racists.

See, we can choose to be offended by just about anything. Words only have as much power as you give them.

Exactly my point sir... exactly.... Watermelon in and of itself means nothing, just like rice means nothing on its own. And my example with black people, is that in ways that it has been used, the term takes on a racist connotation... And as you said, just as racist as using the term "rice burners" to refer to Asian cars.

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Um... today I think

In context.

You are trying to argue that people that came up with the racist term to begin with were being logical when it was created??? You are kidding right?

And yes it has a very specific racist connotation, not because of the way it sounds, or what it is short for, but because most of the people who use it are racist, and by using the term you are inadvertantly associating yourself with them.

Many racists call African Americans "black." I'd have to be a hippie bleedingheart liberal to not call black people black just because some racists do.

Oh... is "hippie bleedingheart liberal" offensive, or is it ok because I don't make generalizations based on race or nationality?

And if it's ok, Jap is ok, right? Because it doesn't make any assumptions other than the person is Japanese? Right?

In essence I agree that if people were not so paranoid about language. But it must happen slowly and without ignorance... You can't refer to a Japanease person as a Jap, and then say they are at fault for being offended, because the term they way that others have used it most of the time has been a cut down, they are not mind readers and can't know you mean nothing racist by it... Like the term "rice burner" almost everytime I have heard it, it has been a cut down on the car and those who made it, and therefore that's what I think when I hear someone use the term.

Who are you to judge my methods if you agree with the principle? You KNOW I don't go around insulting people based on race. I can find much better things to insult them about.

Something else to consider... phee.. you used the watermelon thing repeatedly when talking about cars from Africa... Whats you beef with black people? Watermelon, in the sense you using it, is a deragatory term for black AMERICANS who are decendat from slaves. Yet, your using it in an example about people from Africa... Like everyone there is Black. That is just as racists.

See, we can choose to be offended by just about anything. Words only have as much power as you give them.

Hell must be freezing over...

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And if it's ok, Jap is ok, right? Because it doesn't make any assumptions other than the person is Japanese? Right?

Who are you to judge my methods if you agree with the principle? You KNOW I don't go around insulting people based on race. I can find much better things to insult them about.

By using the term rice burner... that is how it looks however... you may not care about that however, and I respect the apathy... heh

[BrassFusion]

To edge off some of the "seriousness" in here...

Can we at least ALL agree that we hate the French?

Thanks for the levity, threadjacker. And actually, no for me. I've known all of ONE French person, and he was pretty cool. Splendid accordion player.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I don't hate the French.

I do blame them for about 1/3 of the worlds problems though. I blame the English and the Spaniards for the rest....

wait... the Dutch have a hand in there too... but only like about 10%.

[phee]

LoL and I turn on DGN Radio to Hear: Chris Rock - Nigger vs Black People. SERIOUSLY FUNNY

I saw that....

[phee]

I don't hate the French.

I do blame them for about 1/3 of the worlds problems though. I blame the English and the Spaniards for the rest....

wait... the Dutch have a hand in there too... but only like about 10%.

Indeed