New Smoking Ban Sweeping America

[Der Nister]

New York times

Quote from article:

The laws, experts say, are part of a new frontier of cigarette regulation: moving beyond smoking bans in public settings like restaurants to crackdowns in private spheres like cars and, in some cases, homes.

I will never agree that State or federal government has any right to tell us what is best for us.

Regardless of what people think of me or what I believe in - if people don't start taking a stand against these sort of laws we might as well hand over our lives because - they are working hard at taking freedom away.

Some of you may agree with a smoking ban but will you agree when they violate some right that you enjoy?

The way I see it - the next law will be no alcohol allowed in homes where minor children live. Or how about - no sex outside of marriage within a Christian community? I mean, where will they stop? How far will they go?

[Msterbeau]

UM.... your link is broke.

As for smoking. What more do you need to know? IT'S HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH!! And even more importantly: It's harmful to MY health. If you want to kill yourself by smoking and you don't care about the smell... Do it at home. I can deal with it at a club, but that doesn't mean I like it. But I shouldn't have to tolerate it at work. I have no choice about going there.

You don't have the right to harm others nor make them deal with a habit that many find offensive.

[Msterbeau]

UM.... your link is broke.

As for smoking. What more do you need to know? IT'S HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH!! And even more importantly: It's harmful to MY health. If you want to kill yourself by smoking and you don't care about the smell... Do it at home. I can deal with it at a club, but that doesn't mean I like it. But I shouldn't have to tolerate it at work. I have no choice about going there.

You don't have the right to harm others nor make them deal with a habit that many find offensive. F

Edit - Until I can read the article, I can't comment on this new legislation your quote mentions. I'd agree that until cigarettes are made illegal, you should be able to smoke in private places.

[Head Wreck]

smoking in private is allowed here,

but not in:

restraunts

bars

clubs

taxis

work vehicles

and tbh, although i am on the its personal choice i've recently stopped people smoking in my car whereas i used to be OK if they opened the window. i just cant stand the aste of the air afterwords (it makes me wretch)

[BrassFusion]

going by the wording, the quote's just conjecture anyway, probably on the part of someone who doesn't want to see a public-establishment smoking ban.

i like the state laws about where they are now. i wouldn't have a problem with a family restaurant smoking ban, but banning in bars and clubs as well (like canada has done) would be going too far.

[Msterbeau]

going by the wording, the quote's just conjecture anyway, probably on the part of someone who doesn't want to see a public-establishment smoking ban.

i like the state laws about where they are now. i wouldn't have a problem with a family restaurant smoking ban, but banning in bars and clubs as well (like canada has done) would be going too far.

On the technical side... how do you differentiate between a club and a restaurant? No serving food?

[sass_in_the_pants]

http://1918.com/article.php?article_id=6587&type=read

I googled the text Der Nister had put in and here's an article that came up. Der, I hope this is the right article.

[Msterbeau]

Here's where your rights get fuzzy... Do you have the right to do something that's been proven harmful near others. Do you have the right to do so next to your children who generally aren't going to object?

[Homicidalheathen]

It is getting WAY out of control.

When my knee swelled and my foot turned blue they thought it might have been a blood clot (it wasnt dont worry)

But the doctor asked if I smoked. I had to tell him no 3 times before he believed me, one....and....then he asked if I was exposed to 2nd hand smoke.

I am sorry, but I don't think 2nd hand smoke is enough to cause a frickin clot asshole.

And this dont smoke outside thing....it goes up into the air before it even hits your lungs! Peeps worry to damn much.

It seems like in this country.....you can't do anything bad to your health except OVER EAT. That is the only excepted vice.

[kellygrrrrrl]

removed due to the worst spelling and structure EVER

[Slept with ghost]

If a ban is going to happen its going to happen

my problem is this

if you are going to tell people when and where they can smoke then lower the price on cigarettes

its not fair to charge such high prices for something that you can do anywhere you want

[Fierce Critter]

I'm a militant anti-smoker, which is somewhat known here.

But I actually do have a problem with laws prohibiting smoking in privately-owned domiciles or cars.

Recently, the subject came up on a radio show about someplace trying to pass legislation disallowing smoking in apartment complexes. A few people called in with examples of how living as a non-smoker in a complex where there were smokers in the same building was unpleasant.

On the one hand, I don't like smelling other people's smoke, and if I lived happily in a complex where the air was clear - and then a smoker moved in next to me and things changed, I'd be pissed.

But I think the onus lies on the complex owner. I think they ought to have to build and/or update their complexes to prevent smoke leakage if they're going to allow smokers to rent.

Do I think there should be a law against it? Not really. It'd be nice, but I wouldn't call for it.

As for smoking in cars - I really don't think that's the government's business. However, I know how incredibly bad I feel when I see a small child in the back seat of a car when the parent is in the front seat smoking. Gads, what a horrible thing to force on your child. So again, I'm torn.

But I do agree with Marc on one thing - it's not fair to force your smoke on someone else. Say what you want about overeaters - someone stuffing their face with lard & pie doesn't put anything foreign into YOUR body. But expelling smoke and holding a smoldering cigarette in my presence forces me to inhale something I wouldn't put there myself.

Overall, smokers need to just be respectful and aware of others. Maybe laws ARE necessary because people - non-smokers and smokers alike - can be major assholes and act in ways that are detrimental and imposing on others.

[Hellion]

Considering that this country is jacked to hell,and I thought communism was bad,they never do anything about overeating,its always smoking,when I was a welder/ fabricator,the crap that was in welding smoke was much worse than cigarette smoke,and it kills me that they say cigarette smoke is worse than this and even radon.

Hell our stupid as government is taking all our rights away anyway,freedom of speech is gone,even expressing your own opinion can get you in trouble.This is the kind of crap that will make a problem worse than it was before.now back to the subject.(lights a cigarette)

[BrassFusion]

heh, marc, i'm responding to both your posts cuz you're so popular.

On the technical side... how do you differentiate between a club and a restaurant? No serving food?

family restaurant, no age restriction, no alcohol, at least in my opinion. i'm not sure what the actual codes state, but that's where i'd draw the line... smoking around other people's kids.

Here's where your rights get fuzzy... Do you have the right to do something that's been proven harmful near others. Do you have the right to do so next to your children who generally aren't going to object?

i'm going to say it might do more harm than good to legally disallow parents to smoke in the vicinity of their children. to discourage it is fine and proper, but if you actually put legal issues on parents for doing that, the kids might start to question the general authority of their parents over it. that can be way more dangerous than a childhood of second-hand smoke, all other things being equal.

[The Kanuck]

OMG!!! you guys have to be kidding me, this is happening to you guys aswell, Ontario just went no smoking and it has offically put the final nail in the goffin of many cities, most of all windsor. Resturants and bars don't pull in the same about of people, either to nightclubs. One of the convience stores main incomes is ciggs and they are now hurting. Times are changing and when the GOV says "This is good for you so DO IT!" it is not good changes.

All I can say is, I really hope they don't do it, and if they do that they do it right and not fuck it up like they did here.

[BrassFusion]

OMG!!! you guys have to be kidding me, this is happening to you guys aswell, Ontario just went no smoking and it has offically put the final nail in the goffin of many cities, most of all windsor. Resturants and bars don't pull in the same about of people, either to nightclubs. One of the convience stores main incomes is ciggs and they are now hurting. Times are changing and when the GOV says "This is good for you so DO IT!" it is not good changes.

All I can say is, I really hope they don't do it, and if they do that they do it right and not fuck it up like they did here.

bad news. and i'm sure you've heard about the whole passport business. next year the us is gonna require passports to get into the us even for returning citizens.

super bad news for windsor. =( i hope it doesn't turn into a ghettozone like detroit

[sass_in_the_pants]

OMG!!! you guys have to be kidding me, this is happening to you guys aswell, Ontario just went no smoking and it has offically put the final nail in the goffin of many cities, most of all windsor. Resturants and bars don't pull in the same about of people, either to nightclubs. One of the convience stores main incomes is ciggs and they are now hurting. Times are changing and when the GOV says "This is good for you so DO IT!" it is not good changes.

All I can say is, I really hope they don't do it, and if they do that they do it right and not fuck it up like they did here.

On the plus side, Canada still has curling.

I'm a bad ass at curling.

[AstralCrux]

You know they threw fits over Prohibition. People have the right to pick their poison. I think I will be choosing to only support restaurants and other venues that allow smoking. On my next road trip, I might have to stop by Kentucky, as they have the least cigarette taxes.

This is how they learn. Boycott! If enough smokers actually get ticked off enough to rebel something will change. When lawmakers see smokers as a viable voting group, they will take the point of the smoker more seriously.

Even if I didn't smoke- taking away rights is wrong. I won't stand for watching anyone's rights being taken away! We have a right to choose our vises.

[BrassFusion]

You know they threw fits over Prohibition. People have the right to pick their poison. I think I will be choosing to only support restaurants and other venues that allow smoking. On my next road trip, I might have to stop by Kentucky, as they have the least cigarette taxes.

This is how they learn. Boycott! If enough smokers actually get ticked off enough to rebel something will change. When lawmakers see smokers as a viable voting group, they will take the point of the smoker more seriously.

Even if I didn't smoke- taking away rights is wrong. I won't stand for watching anyone's rights being taken away! We have a right to choose our vises.

I doubt smokers will EVER be a viable group as they tend to die early, or some of them even quit while they're young. what we need is a damn libertarian voting group that thinks smokers should have the right to smoke even if it's not popular.

(i'm preachy cuz i officially "quit," i guess )

[The Kanuck]

bad news. and i'm sure you've heard about the whole passport business. next year the us is gonna require passports to get into the us even for returning citizens.

super bad news for windsor. =( i hope it doesn't turn into a ghettozone like detroit

Turn? Sorry love but it is half way there. They have been doing studys where it says violence and theif is on the rise. Corruption in the government (thank-you mayor Eddie Francises) is becomming more... in the light. People are becomming bolder with there moves. (aka people are starting to steal more and boasting it because they know nothing will happen) It is getting pretty bad.

On the plus side, Canada still has curling.

I'm a bad ass at curling.

Yes, and without it I would have left long long ago.

[Lilith]

I did not read hte article yet and I do smoke and i am currently trying realy hard to stop it.

My view is plainly this, no one has any right to tell me what i can or can not do on property i personally own. if i want to smoke at the property i pay more then i should for every month then i have the right to. I should be able to do anything not illegal on my own property with out any one bugging me. If they really want to limit people smoking and if they care so damn much about our health then why not just make them simply illegal like they do with other drugs! THen they can open rehab clinics for smokers casue at times i could see where i might appear to be some one who is comming off of something else casue your body certianly reacts horriable when you take that nicotine away.

If i am in a returant and they have a smoking ban i repsect it and dont smoke, if a friend does not want me to smoke in there car/ home I dont and i repsect it, why casue they have a right to make the rules regarding legal things on the property they personally own. If a city bans smoking on there streets ( like if you were walking around shopping etc.....) then i would too repsect that just like how you cant walk down the street drinking a beer.. or naked..... If i rented an aprtment or house and the land lord said no pets, i would have no pets or rent else where, if the land lord said no smoking i wouldnt smoke or rent from some one else. If i did not smoke and friends allowed smoking in there home i would not ask then to stop they have a right to allow it in there own home.

It really is that simple for me You have a right and I too have a right and we have rules we all have to follow weather or not we like them so it basically boils down to respect of others.

[BrassFusion]

I did not read hte article yet and I do smoke and i am currently trying realy hard to stop it.

My view is plainly this, no one has any right to tell me what i can or can not do on property i personally own. if i want to smoke at the property i pay more then i should for every month then i have the right to. I should be able to do anything not illegal on my own property with out any one bugging me. If they really want to limit people smoking and if they care so damn much about our health then why not just make them simply illegal like they do with other drugs! THen they can open rehab clinics for smokers casue at times i could see where i might appear to be some one who is comming off of something else casue your body certianly reacts horriable when you take that nicotine away.

If i am in a returant and they have a smoking ban i repsect it and dont smoke, if a friend does not want me to smoke in there car/ home I dont and i repsect it, why casue they have a right to make the rules regarding legal things on the property they personally own. If a city bans smoking on there streets ( like if you were walking around shopping etc.....) then i would too repsect that just like how you cant walk down the street drinking a beer.. or naked..... If i rented an aprtment or house and the land lord said no pets, i would have no pets or rent else where, if the land lord said no smoking i wouldnt smoke or rent from some one else. If i did not smoke and friends allowed smoking in there home i would not ask then to stop they have a right to allow it in there own home.

It really is that simple for me You have a right and I too have a right and we have rules we all have to follow weather or not we like them so it basically boils down to respect of others.

Following pointless rules doesn't involve respect for others so much as it does respect for government. I used to respect the establishment, a little, I guess.

I'll do whatever I want to myself as long as it doesn't hurt other people and hope I don't get caught, and if I DO get caught eventually, i'll either A. weasel my way out of it or B. make a gigantic stink about my human rights being violated.

[AstralCrux]

Lillith- It is one thing to respect friends who don't like you smoking in their house. I, in fact, will not even bother to smoke in someone's house, even smokers' homes, because my cigs are cloves and not everyone likes the smell. I can understand restaurants and hotels having no-smoking policies. However, telling me I can't smoke outside or in the bar or in my home or in my car is obsurd. That's where I get riled- even if I didn't smoke I'd be pissed. I'm big on the government not taking my rights away.

I'm not worried about smoking killing me. Why? Science shows that everything around us produces some level of radiation, no I'm not bothering to look it up- if I find the college book I grabbed the info out of I'll quote it. I drink, not much, but I've done lots of things to kill off the liver, so that might get me too. Damn, time to get paranoid, stress can kill. So, now start worrying about all this and it's gonna kill you too. Oh, that's not good so I'll get some meds for all this stress- ever see the side effects for aspirin? Conclusion- I will die, but I'm not gonna go through worrying about it.

[HipsterDufus]

Let me just add that if you don't like smoking, then don't go to a place that allows it. Problem solved. I would be totally fine with an allocation of non-smoking restaurants/bars (and that's already happening to an extent, just by non-smoker demand) but I don't think that the government should be able to say that all smoking in public is banned. And before I hear anyone whine about how their favorite club has smoking allowed in it, guess what? You can stop going to that club! If you're still going to a place that has smoking in it, even though you're anti-smoking, then what you're telling people is that you care about having a night out more than you care about your health. And if that's the case, then to argue about second-hand smoke, even though you continue to intentionally immerse yourself in it, is a blatantly hypocritical argument, IMHO.

[BrassFusion]

Lillith- It is one thing to respect friends who don't like you smoking in their house. I, in fact, will not even bother to smoke in someone's house, even smokers' homes, because my cigs are cloves and not everyone likes the smell. I can understand restaurants and hotels having no-smoking policies. However, telling me I can't smoke outside or in the bar or in my home or in my car is obsurd. That's where I get riled- even if I didn't smoke I'd be pissed. I'm big on the government not taking my rights away.

I'm not worried about smoking killing me. Why? Science shows that everything around us produces some level of radiation, no I'm not bothering to look it up- if I find the college book I grabbed the info out of I'll quote it. I drink, not much, but I've done lots of things to kill off the liver, so that might get me too. Damn, time to get paranoid, stress can kill. So, now start worrying about all this and it's gonna kill you too. Oh, that's not good so I'll get some meds for all this stress- ever see the side effects for aspirin? Conclusion- I will die, but I'm not gonna go through worrying about it.

It's not like smoking is just one big glamour fest till you die in your sleep, young and beautiful. It can exacerbate existing conditions and create some new distasteful ones. Like horking up phlegm with blood in it. That's what made my grandma finally quit when she was 79.

If you still wanna do it, DO IT, but don't lie to yourself about the consequences.