Hr847

[freydis]

HR847

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) recognizes the Christian faith as one of the great religions of the world;

(2) expresses continued support for Christians in the United States and worldwide;

(3) acknowledges the international religious and historical importance of Christmas and the Christian faith;

(4) acknowledges and supports the role played by Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization;

(5) rejects bigotry and persecution directed against Christians, both in the United States and worldwide; and

(6) expresses its deepest respect to American Christians and Christians throughout the world.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.res.00847:

Anyone else the least bit disturbed over this?

At the very least, I think there's far more appropriate things (and far more important to law) that they should be concerning themselves with.....

[pomba gira]

Yup, I would say that pretty well violates the whole "separation of church & state" bit

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I would be disturbed and would think it violated the separation if it somehow elevated Christian faith above other faiths.

[Msterbeau]

I would be disturbed and would think it violated the separation if it somehow elevated Christian faith above other faiths.

It kinda does that by singling Christianity out amongst all faiths that are practiced here.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Read the first Amendment.

Unles that is re-worded to be something other than an acknowledgement... you know... making something legal, illegal, makes it the State religion or gives some kind of legal benefit... I don't see how it can be a breach of the seperation.

People think the 1st has far more words in it than it does.

[odims_sphere]

I got excited about the title of this thread cuz I thought you were talking about these:

but I mis-read it

[Shade Everdark]

*facedesk*

Until I see similar resolutions passed for Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and so forth, I'm going to have to say that this is crossing the line, in spirit if not in letter.

While Gaf is technically correct in that this establishes no religious test for holding office nor officially establishes Christianity as a state religion, it comes closer than I want it to. I will only say that resolutions such as this one, not legally binding, in this day and age, are both inflammatory and counter-productive.

For those who want it, the text of the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Again, while I don't think there are any overt impingements on First Amendment rights here, the term 'chilling effect' I think, is particularly apt for this resolution.

[Destroit]

*facedesk*

Until I see similar resolutions passed for Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and so forth, I'm going to have to say that this is crossing the line, in spirit if not in letter.

While Gaf is technically correct in that this establishes no religious test for holding office nor officially establishes Christianity as a state religion, it comes closer than I want it to. I will only say that resolutions such as this one, not legally binding, in this day and age, are both inflammatory and counter-productive.

For those who want it, the text of the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Again, while I don't think there are any overt impingements on First Amendment rights here, the term 'chilling effect' I think, is particularly apt for this resolution.

That's how I feel. Technically they didn't violate the first amendment....but they're getting a little too close for comfort. That's even coming out of someone Christian, I don't want our goverment to be in cahoots with ANY religion, period.

[boshy]

That's how I feel. Technically they didn't violate the first amendment....but they're getting a little too close for comfort. That's even coming out of someone Christian, I don't want our goverment to be in cahoots with ANY religion, period.

do't believe everything you read kiddo this is the real library of congress web page

http://www.loc.gov/index.html

snake oil anyone? don't believe everyting you read on the web

[Shade Everdark]

do't believe everything you read kiddo this is the real library of congress web page

http://www.loc.gov/index.html

snake oil anyone? don't believe everyting you read on the web

And I found it by following links on the site you provided.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

BTW: dont get me wrong. I don't really see th point to this. I think it is perhaps a reaction to the "War on Christmas" that people deny is going on. I really don't know. it does bother me, but it doesn't actually step over the line into the Un-constitutional... so, not much can really be done with it or against it.

[boshy]

And I found it by following links on the site you provided.

Whoops that is amazing (wipes egg off of face). i guess i should have looked harder before i put my foot in my mouth. with a democratic majority in both of the houses i just assumed that was from a fake web page (there are so many of them them out there) and it was propaganda bull shit. it didn't seem like something that they would pass. must be something to do with the election year. gotta run i have a dress rehearsal.

[pomba gira]

And I found it by following links on the site you provided.

Me too.

And I agree, Shade- this may not violate the letter of the First, but I would say it tramples all over the spirit.

[bean]

*facedesk*

Until I see similar resolutions passed for Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and so forth, I'm going to have to say that this is crossing the line, in spirit if not in letter.

While Gaf is technically correct in that this establishes no religious test for holding office nor officially establishes Christianity as a state religion, it comes closer than I want it to. I will only say that resolutions such as this one, not legally binding, in this day and age, are both inflammatory and counter-productive.

For those who want it, the text of the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Again, while I don't think there are any overt impingements on First Amendment rights here, the term 'chilling effect' I think, is particularly apt for this resolution.

Indeed sir, indeed

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Whoops that is amazing (wipes egg off of face). i guess i should have looked harder before i put my foot in my mouth. with a democratic majority in both of the houses i just assumed that was from a fake web page (there are so many of them them out there) and it was propaganda bull shit. it didn't seem like something that they would pass. must be something to do with the election year. gotta run i have a dress rehearsal.

I have to ask... what makes you think the Democrats are the champions of all that is right and just?

It was the Democrats that supported slavery and the Republicans that free'd the slaves.

It was the Democrats that opposed Women's Sufferage.

It was the Democrats that opposed desegragation and the Republicans that fought for it.

It was a Republican that created the EPA.

I really don't understand people who blindly follow the hype of the Democratic party and ignore thier history of oppression of our rights and thier attempts to justify it.

[know_buddy_kares]

honestly gaf, most of what i've seen doesn't neccesarily support democrats.. personaly i think their just as corrupt and spineless as republicans. It's just the republicans in power at the moment are doing all the stupid shit right now, the democrats are going to have their turn soon enough to fuck shit up.

[Fierce Critter]

KBK in a way spoke for me a bit.

I'll simply add that as soon as I saw the first line of your post, Gaf, I knew that examples of somewhat OLDER Republican acts vs Democratic ones were going to be given as examples.

I said it in another thread, I'll say it again. I would have probably been republican back in Lincoln's day. Things are very different now as far as both parties and what they generally stand for and how they present themselves. Republicans were a lot more liberal than they are today. While Democrats don't totally reflect my views, they are generally way more liberal-thinking than today's republicans, and thus, they get my vote.

I believe this is turning into a major threadjack...

[Destroit]

I have to ask... what makes you think the Democrats are the champions of all that is right and just?

It was the Democrats that supported slavery and the Republicans that free'd the slaves.

It was the Democrats that opposed Women's Sufferage.

It was the Democrats that opposed desegragation and the Republicans that fought for it.

It was a Republican that created the EPA.

I really don't understand people who blindly follow the hype of the Democratic party and ignore thier history of oppression of our rights and thier attempts to justify it.

Erm...you read her backwards As her kid, I do this alot too it's okay, she worded it a little different. She said meant that she was surprised something that had to do with religion would pass with the democratic party, not championing them or anything, she's definately republican.

[n0Mad]

And I agree, Shade- this may not violate the letter of the First, but I would say it tramples all over the spirit.

Hey, we have over 20,000 laws that directly violate the letter of the second amendment, so why not start encroaching on the first? And nobody really needs that pesky third amendment either. I don't mind sleeping on the coach so a soldier can have my bed.

I understand perfectly why the Democrats are championing this. We let them trample all over #2 which was put in place to protect the other nine. Oh, but it seemed so reasonable at the time. You know the phrase, "Give them an inch, they'll take a mile"? Well, they got away with #2 so they're working on the rest now, slowly but surely. Pretty soon our Bill of Rights will be gone and the Dems will turn America into a Socialist country.

Now, I'm not saying all Dems are bad. I have many liberal friends, dated a liberal for a while, and even voted for several Democrats in the past and will continue to vote for some if I think they're the right candidate. But most of the ones running for office now? Their political ideology is more socialist than anything.

"We are the first civilized nation to institute gun registration. Our police will be more efficient, our streets safer, and other nations will follow our lead into the future." Adolph Hitler 1935

[phee]

"We are the first civilized nation to institute gun registration. Our police will be more efficient, our streets safer, and other nations will follow our lead into the future." Adolph Hitler 1935

Please keep in mind that Hitler was also big on military spending and planting trees..... so that means that everyone involved with these two causes are also facist....

[n0Mad]

Please keep in mind that Hitler was also big on military spending and planting trees..... so that means that everyone involved with these two causes are also facist....

Well, I also would've included quotes from Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and many others but the above quote was handy at the time.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

[phee]

Heh... and that is the only trait they had in common... wierd!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

They were also atheists ,extremely nationalist, hated democracy and all of them were socialists. Muslin was the Fascist.

[phee]

They were also atheists ,extremely nationalist, hated democracy and all of them were socialists. Muslin was the Fascist.

Yes.. all of them also ran governments on the Eurasion land mass as well....