The Chip

[predaking]

just being able to monitor your buying and selling transactions is enough to track you.....that's how terrorists are caught and how criminals are traced....

think about it if every single transaction you make - every atm you visist, every pack of smokes in hoboken new jersy, every shot at a bar in downtown, every late nite grocery run, every time you get paid, every time you deposit or cash it out....all of it is meticulously recorded.....

thats tracking your transactions, I ment the physical you. Knowing that i've made a deposit and knowing i'm in my house taking a piss are 2 different things. those are dates, times, and amounts which yes they can and do track and COULD find you, but some versions of the chip broadcast an active GPS signal with which they WILL find you.

[Steven]

thats tracking your transactions, I ment the physical you. Knowing that i've made a deposit and knowing i'm in my house taking a piss are 2 different things. those are dates, times, and amounts which yes they can and do track and COULD find you, but some versions of the chip broadcast an active GPS signal with which they WILL find you.

I understand - but Im talking about effecting your life on a grand scale - and again I refer back to buying and sellign and the inability to do so without accepting this technology. How long can your family last without the ability to buy and sell on the open market? By tommorow you will be hungry, and winter is on its way....

[Shade Everdark]

Actually, there was an article on Wired about disabling the RFID chip that is standard issue with passports.

Here's another article from Wired on how RFID was supposed to end car theft and failed (article includes the author's experiences with social engineering the information needed to steal his own Honda).

Oh, Steven - you're not the only one who'se compared subdermal implanted RFID with the mark of the beast.

Speaking of subcutaneous-implanted RFID chips - there's rumblings that it's been linked to cancerous tumors in animals. If you don't want a job-mandated chip implanted, you can move to California

I think that if RFID implants were to be pushed down the line by the gov't as 'mandatory', then there would be just as much outcry over it as there's been with RealID.

That's Jack van Impe's thing, isn't it? Ranting and raving about various forms/incarnations of the mark of the beast? That man's not even a huckster, he's just a crazy person. He and his wife both.

[Destroit]

http://www.examiner.com/a-232630~Company_t...iers__skin.html

Perilous Times

Has the Number 666 Been Decoded?*

Apr 7th, 2007 6:18 AM

Rachel Arora, merinews

666 is an ominous set of number that has since ages been associated with

evil. You need to know its dark implications, since it’s getting

unawares into your daily lives and passing on controls to evil imperialists.

THE NUMBER 666 is widely known as “the number of the beast”. It is said

to have originated from the Book of Revelation of the New Testament of

the Holy Bible. In several popular works, the number is considered to be

the number of Satan or Antichrist and has created much speculation

regarding its significance. It leaves us wondering as to who will be the

detestable prophet and when is the period of tribulation going to begin?

Many scholars state that the number is a code for the Roman emperor,

Nero, a view that is strongly supported by the Roman Catholic Church.

However, certain facts and studies reveal that 666 is not merely a

numerical figure, but is associated with slavery and downfall of the

human race. It is associated with ill omen and is creating a sizzle in

the modern era.

The description of the number of the beast in the Book of Revelation

13:18 is as follows: “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding

count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his

number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

Kevin Jones, numerologist says, “666 is a number associated with evil.

Its magnitude can be both narrow and vast. It is likely to affect one

and all. Nobody can buy or sell if unmarked by the number on his right

hand or forehead.”

In many cultures of the west, there is widespread fear of the number. In

scientific terms, the phobia of 666 is known as

hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia. This leads people to avoid things related

to the number and consider it to bring bad luck.

The number is strongly despised and people prefer not to move in a new

house, buy a new vehicle or gamble with any numbers, resulting in the

666 combination. Some call it superstition while others call it a warning.

In 2006, the BBC listed hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia and its definition

as fact #64 in its “100 things we didn’t know last year.”

The number gained immense importance and lured various horror movie

directors to experiment with it. It soon became popular as the satanic

number all over the world after the release of the Hollywood

blockbuster, The Omen, in 1976.

Startling revelations

According to many, 666 is a sacred number, especially in the modern era.

Certain religious sects also believe it to be a divine number. Certain

facts have revealed that the human race is already becoming dependant on

the number of the beast and the days of tribulation have begun.

According to Father Benjamin Massey, “The United States is on its way to

becoming a cashless society. The most infectious economic movement is

that of “smart cards” which are already used by many people in countries

like Japan and Europe.”

A smart card is used to pay for all purchases one makes and avail

benefits such as health, insurance and claims. The social security

number, which requires every individual to be marked, is closely

associated with the number of the beast.

Automatic identification is the dominant feature in the emergence of a

cashless society. Biometric sensors are used to identify people by

fingerprints, retina patters and other body patterns. In countries like

Spain, Britain, the Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium, Norway, New York and

California, dogs and cats are required to have microchip implants

injected under their skin under the law. It won’t be long before similar

implants will be injected in human beings as well.

Almost everyone is familiar with the UPC barcodes that are now there on

most of the products of daily use. The three embedded numbers on every

UPC barcode are 666. Here’s how: All the marks of bars in the code are

associated with numbers except for the marks at the first, middle and

end. They appear as “||”. If the numbers are taken away, we are left

with the digits 666, which remain hidden in every bar code.

After labouring for years, the world’s financial institutions have

finally declared the emergence of the global cashless society. Microchip

technology and electronic currency will replace all monetary exchange.

The giant behind providing this cashless system is a company named

Mondex, which has already franchised over 20 nations. The entire system

is based on smart card technology that employs microchips concealed in a

plastic card. It stores electronic cash and identification. All

electronic transactions will be made secure by secure electronic

transaction (SET) protocols.

Mondex is a compound of the words Monetary and Dexter. Monetary means:

pertaining to money while Dexter means located on the right hand. Set is

Egyptian god of evil or Satan.

Keeping various security related issues in mind, the computer scientists

decided that it might not be possible to carry the card everywhere.

Therefore the ultimate option will be to place the microchip inside the

human body. However, scientists have discovered only two places to

inject the chip — the forehead and the right hand.

AT&T and Lucent Technologies purchased the franchise for Mondex. Their

logo is symbolic of the Solar Serpent or Satan. The name Lucent is

compounded from Lucifer enterprises. They named their products STYX, a

river in Hades, Janus, two-faced god and inferno promoted with a quote

from the inferno, a story about Lucifer in the pit of hell. They even

chose to move their office to 666, Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

Project Lucid

This global police set up was designed to monitor every man, woman and

child once issued a universal biometrics card. Project Lucid will have a

mind-control chip surgically implanted in the brain. Under this project,

all undercover social security establishments will use its databases to

monitor daily lives of people. All data will be linked, networked and

processed by a central Gestapo where orders will be given to police,

military and intelligence agencies. The global police state will

comprise the FBI, KGB, CIA, DEA, DIA, NSA, IRS, EPA, OSHA, NCIC, USDA,

FDA, NRO, BATF, FINCEN, INS, DOJ, WTO, Europol, Interpol, Mossad, and

the MAB.

According to Nelly Paul, “666, when added, come to 9, which stand for

greediness and natural disasters. It can either make or break. It is

impulsive, restless, stubborn and inflexible.”

The biggest question that hunts our minds is if the end has finally

arrived? The beast is controlling our lives and we are unaware. 666 is

all over the place and is boiling down to globalization.

http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=124676

I can't believe this article left out the number 23! How unscientific!

[predaking]

I understand - but Im talking about effecting your life on a grand scale - and again I refer back to buying and sellign and the inability to do so without accepting this technology. How long can your family last without the ability to buy and sell on the open market? By tommorow you will be hungry, and winter is on its way....

I see where you are comming from. I still have some mixed feelings about it, on one hand it would be damn helpful as your money, ID, medical history, hell even "car keys" are in your skin and could never get lost (well unless someone cuts off your hand) but on the other hand it is all very 1984ish which aint cool

[Steven]

I see where you are comming from. I still have some mixed feelings about it, on one hand it would be damn helpful as your money, ID, medical history, hell even "car keys" are in your skin and could never get lost (well unless someone cuts off your hand) but on the other hand it is all very 1984ish which aint cool

we allready have a hard enough time making sound decisions on our own....this just makes it easier to be a

puppet...

[Steven]

That's Jack van Impe's thing, isn't it? Ranting and raving about various forms/incarnations of the mark of the beast? That man's not even a huckster, he's just a crazy person. He and his wife both.

you cant sew up this theory with Jack, Jack. He didint invent it.

[predaking]

we allready have a hard enough time making sound decisions on our own....this just makes it easier to be a

puppet...

ya know...after thinking about it, I think that being a puppet would be the least of the worry. Think about all the things people could do that would do much more harm then simply tracking you and your actions

[Steven]

ya know...after thinking about it, I think that being a puppet would be the least of the worry. Think about all the things people could do that would do much more harm then simply tracking you and your actions

yeah but I go back to the old buying and selling situation i mentioned before.

everybody has to eat.

and did you really just say being a puppet is ok with you?

[predaking]

yeah but I go back to the old buying and selling situation i mentioned before.

everybody has to eat.

and did you really just say being a puppet is ok with you?

no not at all, I'm just saying there are even worse things that can be done with that kind of tech. there are worse things then not eating as well, to be honest tho if faced with a situation like that a person can and will improvise. just because you cant go and buy from the store does not mean you cant eat, survivalist and stranded people make due all the time. granted it isnt the best way to live but you can still live.

[Steven]

no not at all, I'm just saying there are even worse things that can be done with that kind of tech. there are worse things then not eating as well, to be honest tho if faced with a situation like that a person can and will improvise. just because you cant go and buy from the store does not mean you cant eat, survivalist and stranded people make due all the time. granted it isnt the best way to live but you can still live.

if - your allowed to live off government controlled land.

remember too if you cant buy or sell there goes your apartment, mortgage, insurance, doctors vists, gasoline, pet food, clothing, electricity, anything that takes currency.....

[ttogreh]

You people all realize that the Book of Revelation was about the privations of the contemporary Roman empire during the first Christian century, and that the Book of Isaiah was written during a time of great war and upheaval for Judea 2,700 years ago?

These books are useful warnings against the possibility of future events, but they do not predict future events. Indeed, even if you believe that these writings are inspired by God, which I would not outright deny, they were meant for the people who immediately read them in one way, and are meant for us modern people in an entirely different way.

Jack Van Impe is perverting the sacred texts to sell his brand of doom.

[predaking]

if - your allowed to live off government controlled land.

remember too if you cant buy or sell there goes your apartment, mortgage, insurance, doctors vists, gasoline, pet food, clothing, electricity, anything that takes currency.....

well then carve the chip out of someone else, distroy the body, use it. problem solved. make sure its a rich person and a recluse tho, someone who wont be missed

[Steven]

well then carve the chip out of someone else, distroy the body, use it. problem solved. make sure its a rich person and a recluse tho, someone who wont be missed

ah but you see.....someone in my position actually beleives that the chip is the mark of the beast.

therefore taking someone elses mark is still taking the mark, and choosing a side.

besides, once we actually begin to tag people I assume they will be ID specific. If your walking through a public place with no signal device within you, Im sure that would flag you in some way. And if my chip said tall black man of 190 pounds and 22 years of age and Im actually a short brown man of 160 at 50 years of age, we got a problem.

[Steven]

You people all realize that the Book of Revelation was about the privations of the contemporary Roman empire during the first Christian century, and that the Book of Isaiah was written during a time of great war and upheaval for Judea 2,700 years ago?

These books are useful warnings against the possibility of future events, but they do not predict future events. Indeed, even if you believe that these writings are inspired by God, which I would not outright deny, they were meant for the people who immediately read them in one way, and are meant for us modern people in an entirely different way.

Jack Van Impe is perverting the sacred texts to sell his brand of doom.

[Steven]

You people all realize that the Book of Revelation was about the privations of the contemporary Roman empire during the first Christian century, and that the Book of Isaiah was written during a time of great war and upheaval for Judea 2,700 years ago?

These books are useful warnings against the possibility of future events, but they do not predict future events. Indeed, even if you believe that these writings are inspired by God, which I would not outright deny, they were meant for the people who immediately read them in one way, and are meant for us modern people in an entirely different way.

Jack Van Impe is perverting the sacred texts to sell his brand of doom.

thats an opinion dude. one of many opinions.

personally I DO beleive that the book of Isaiah is a messianic prophetical account with tremendous (uncanny???) detail about the future life of Yeshuah the messiah.

and I believe the book of Revelations is a book of future prophesy as the traditional idea goes in modern christendom, which in turn paints a very vivid deatil of a returning messiah king. I also beleive that it also is a dual prophetical in that it addresses both the 7 churches during its time period and the state of future christendom, similar to the prophesy spoken against Lucifer and the present age king of Tyre.

I am however curious to hear your thesis on this - starting with John the Beloved and why he'd write such an account post christ - to serve what specific purpose in light of his time spent with The Christ prior to his being sentenced to live out his days in exile on the Island of Patmos?

and Jack Van Impe......my my my were caught up with Jack. What in the world does he have to do with anythign, since his message is nothign new at all and has been around for generations?

[ttogreh]

The purpose is self revelatory. In the first century, Christians were being rounded up and killed. For three hundred years, Christianity was on the brink of extinction. Such an environment breeds thoughts of the apocalypse.

[predaking]

ah but you see.....someone in my position actually beleives that the chip is the mark of the beast.

therefore taking someone elses mark is still taking the mark, and choosing a side.

besides, once we actually begin to tag people I assume they will be ID specific. If your walking through a public place with no signal device within you, Im sure that would flag you in some way. And if my chip said tall black man of 190 pounds and 22 years of age and Im actually a short brown man of 160 at 50 years of age, we got a problem.

but its better then being tagged yourself, and you would only be chooseing a side if you were to get tagged. if things ever did get that bad, even as an untagged person you would still be some form of control just a lil harder to track

[Steven]

The purpose is self revelatory. In the first century, Christians were being rounded up and killed. For three hundred years, Christianity was on the brink of extinction. Such an environment breeds thoughts of the apocalypse.

But John The Beloved was not sitting on the tail end of 300 years of persecution and near extinction. He was in the beginning phase of the movement, being that he was one fo the original 12 mortal men. so what your telling me is because "the way" was under persecution, prior to that 300 year period you marked, John the Beloved - the only of the 12 who did not die a martyrs death, the one in Christ's most intimate space and protection, wrote a bunch of gibberish because he was under duress? period? so he created the apocolypse?

I find that argument pretty thin dude.

especially coming from a man who walked with Christ personally, when his peers within the 12 did not do anything like what you are suggesting, but instead made full use of their time and resources building the church until the very end, therefore they all share a very common thread. If all John the beloved did was lash out on paper - that was sure a big waste of time in comparison to the rest - especially in light of the fact that Christ told them all that they would be persecuted for following him, and further still because Christ commissioned them all to push forward with his gospel to the rest of the nations on the earth.

[Steven]

but its better then being tagged yourself, and you would only be chooseing a side if you were to get tagged. if things ever did get that bad, even as an untagged person you would still be some form of control just a lil harder to track

your missing the spiritual connotations of my point - and thats ok - Im just sayign that a person like me is faith motivated primarily, even before I am self motivated to save my own skin.

I (personally) could not take the mark in any form, even in "borrowed" form, because I beleive that I know what it is and where it originates, and so to do so would be to yeild to my enemy.

[Steven]

forgot to ask you Tggoreh, to continue onward with your theories on Isaiah.

If Isaiah was a known prophet, and indeed his written text makes him one of the major prphets in cannonized scripture by way of the amount of prophesy he wrote, the purpose of that text was what?

also - what do you feel are relevent explanations concerning prophetic writings of the coming messiah in that book? And how do you account for the "alleged" fulfillment of prophesy that took place in the life of Christ?

[ttogreh]

First, Steven, Revelation was most certainly written (down) some seventy years, perhaps even ninety years after the birth of Christ. Nero reigned the empire from A.D. 54 to 68. Nero... was not the most pleasant of people to Christians. Moreover, the sacred texts that were dispersed between the many churches during the 300 year period of persecution were both the Jewish texts and many, many, many later texts that were either included or excluded from the canon later on.

Revelation was a text that made sense when Christians were being murdered by Nero, and continued to make sense for at least 230 years more.

Secondly, the Romans had just conquered Judea when Christ was alive. It seems obvious that contemporary Jews would look to the ancient texts for salvation. Isaiah offered hope.

[Steven]

First, Steven, Revelation was most certainly written (down) some seventy years, perhaps even ninety years after the birth of Christ. Nero reigned the empire from A.D. 54 to 68. Nero... was not the most pleasant of people to Christians. Moreover, the sacred texts that were dispersed between the many churches during the 300 year period of persecution were both the Jewish texts and many, many, many later texts that were either included or excluded from the canon later on.

Revelation was a text that made sense when Christians were being murdered by Nero, and continued to make sense for at least 230 years more.

Secondly, the Romans had just conquered Judea when Christ was alive. It seems obvious that contemporary Jews would look to the ancient texts for salvation. Isaiah offered hope.

and my comments about the purpose of The Beloved's writings in light of his and his peer groups commissioning by Christ? I understand the nuts and bolts of what yrou suggesting here, but to me its an inconsistent theory when you look at the lives of the men who were most impacted by Christ. To me this is all....just data thats inconclusive when you attempt to seperate the players from the surrounding text and go by simple "facts' that are easily measurable. That would be like summing up my life by what you can find on public record - that would not paint a clear or accurate account at all....

I'm also looking at this written peice while John was in exhile, allready under the thumb of Rome. Again what purpose would it serve for him to be so intentionally cryptic? He certainly was not in hiding, and he was gogin to die on that Island. And I'm looking for evidence that suggest that this was John's manner or style from the written account from other cannonized scripture, say....the book of acts. And again I refer you back to the lifestyles of these early patriarchs themselves and the heinous manner in which they were all willing to be martryd......to me that does not line up with a mysterious and cryptic gospel.....these men (reallys starting from John the babtist) were all very bold and outspoken even under the opression of Rome...

and in terms of being crytpic Id also have to say that your most "out there" writer was Paul......and I dont even see this revelation (and its ending warning not to add or take away from the book) "making sense" to the persecuted church any more than it "makes sense" to the modern day body of Christ - it is after all, a book of prophesy that reveals itself in layers sort of like the prophecies in the book of Daniel.

In fact the only time this sort of argument seems to make sense to me is when I run into someone that has to be able to contain it - or contend with in on their terms and in so doing they humanize it and or reduce to death, but that does not neccesarily make it so.

I dont know if Im understanding yrou angle here ttgoreh.....for example if there is a "Divine" muse for these writings then for what purpose? I always go back to that basic question. You seem to be (and I could be completely off here) respectful of these writings and yet much more apt to make them mere extensions of man's most basic struggles, whereas I see these writings as extensions of a divine presence.

[Steven]

and goddammit I keep forgettign to get back to The mark of the beast.

since were discussing the chip, which I think is the mark, and your presenting an authorative commentary on Revelations.....what are yrou feeligns about the mark specifically? What was the Beloved trying to say in terms of the mark relating to the persecuted church of his time ?

[Msterbeau]

I don't like chips. Too salty, mostly. Is the beast salty?