Is There No Diplomacy In The World.

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

I think it's really sad that we have to be at war right now and our soldiers can't be enjoying time with their families more. We could die at any moment in this life and they are the most fragile right now of any people. Why do we make our own children so disposable? Is there no reasoning with the enemy? Is there nothing we could trade to satisfy him? Could we not give him some technology that would benefit his people in a positive way, and encourage growth for his community before we end up doing something really dumb and starting a World War? Wouldn't this be much cheaper in the long run? I don't know man. This shit's pretty fucked, and I don't want to die in an atomic explosion man.......

[know_buddy_kares]

I am a disposable hero because bush is making money by making me as such with the oil in iraq.

there's your answer..

greedy rich old white men that don't give a fuck about others. you cant make em listen if they don't give a fuck, unless enough people say enough is enough and are determined enough to pose a serious enough threat to make them give a fuck and listen...

Fortunately the elections are comming soon, though my expectations of all candidates aren't that great, even the highest obama on my list, i still don't think he'll be too concerned to getting us the hell out immediately. it's greed and money that's running politics.

But the world has always been fucked up and unfair. I just deal with the bullshit the best I can and know that the fact I still exist proves they've not taken me down or beaten me yet. And I so hope that pisses alot of people off to see I'm still alive.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

We have war because diplomacy does not always work. Because some people''s idea of diplomacy is to strap bombs to a hostage and have them drive into a busy street market before setting off the bomb. We have war because some peoples idea of of diplomacy is to fly planes into building full of people. We have war because some people think that dropping mustard gas and Sarine gas on innocent villages is Diplomacy. We have war because some people think that forcing a mother and father to watch their teen age daughter gang raped and then her throat slit is diplomacy. We have war because some people think that putting living people in a wood chipper is diplomacy. We have war becuase some people think that kidnapping and torture are good ways to make a point before a diplomatic meeting. We have war because people are animals. We have war because some people... like all of the above, need to die so the rest of us can get on with real diplomacy.

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

Somewhere in an alternate universe where the media tells the truth, I just might say that logic applies somewhere.....

[Destroit]

Somewhere in an alternate universe where the media tells the truth, I just might say that logic applies somewhere.....

Yes...and that logic definately isn't here. Especially not in the people whom we're fighting against...they'll kill us at all costs and won't listen to words and reason.

War = Desperate times call for desperate measures. This is one of those times.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Diplomacy requires both sides to entertain the possibility that they may be wrong , on even their most deeply held beliefs and willing to compromise. The more extremely theocratic mindset the less likely that is. The east being particularly unyielding, and not the most diplomacy-favoring of communities. Islamic extremists are convinced that they have a mission from The Lord to rid their land of the infidels and that they will have a fast-track to paradise if they act on that. Its hard , pretty much impossible to "reason" with someone that "knows for a fact" such things to which no "reason" can be applied.

The west was similar for centuries at various times and places, but fortunately for the world, at a time when weapons of mass destruction and easily obtainable weapons of slightly less destruction were not so widely available to the people with such reason-less ideas.

[Destroit]

We have war because diplomacy does not always work. Because some people''s idea of diplomacy is to strap bombs to a hostage and have them drive into a busy street market before setting off the bomb. We have war because some peoples idea of of diplomacy is to fly planes into building full of people. We have war because some people think that dropping mustard gas and Sarine gas on innocent villages is Diplomacy. We have war because some people think that forcing a mother and father to watch their teen age daughter gang raped and then her throat slit is diplomacy. We have war because some people think that putting living people in a wood chipper is diplomacy. We have war becuase some people think that kidnapping and torture are good ways to make a point before a diplomatic meeting. We have war because people are animals. We have war because some people... like all of the above, need to die so the rest of us can get on with real diplomacy.

I would SO hug you right now if you didn't live in Florida. I couldn't have put that any better myself.

Here, this will have to do:

[boshy]

I think it's really sad that we have to be at war right now and our soldiers can't be enjoying time with their families more. We could die at any moment in this life and they are the most fragile right now of any people. Why do we make our own children so disposable? Is there no reasoning with the enemy? Is there nothing we could trade to satisfy him? Could we not give him some technology that would benefit his people in a positive way, and encourage growth for his community before we end up doing something really dumb and starting a World War? Wouldn't this be much cheaper in the long run? I don't know man. This shit's pretty fucked, and I don't want to die in an atomic explosion man.......

the goal of the real enemy (iran) is to bring about armageddon and bring about the end of the world as we know it and nothing you can do will persuade them not to set off the bomb that will acheive their goal. they have their own revelation and second coming beliefs. we would not die in a nuclear explosion because they only have the technology to hit things locally. the only way the whole planet could die from it would be if pretty much ALL the nukes on the planet were set off at once and that still wouldn't kill most people. what they would die from is the 3 years of nuclear winter that would follow where all the food chains collapsed and evey one starved to death (an unlikely case senario). but if they did set off a nuke it would mean another world war, i'm sure. personally i don't belive they have a snowballs chance in hell of winning but sadly lots of people would die anyway. they only way we can prevent war is to take these nut bags out preemptively.

[jadnifer]

I can't remember the author of this quote but he said: War doesn't determine who's right, it determines who's left."

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Destroit]

the goal of the real enemy (iran) is to bring about armageddon and bring about the end of the world as we know it and nothing you can do will persuade them not to set off the bomb that will acheive their goal. they have their own revelation and second coming beliefs. we would not die in a nuclear explosion because they only have the technology to hit things locally. the only way the whole planet could die from it would be if pretty much ALL the nukes on the planet were set off at once and that still wouldn't kill most people. what they would die from is the 3 years of nuclear winter that would follow where all the food chains collapsed and evey one starved to death (an unlikely case senario). but if they did set off a nuke it would mean another world war, i'm sure. personally i don't belive they have a snowballs chance in hell of winning but sadly lots of people would die anyway. they only way we can prevent war is to take these nut bags out preemptively.

It's funny how many Americans don't see that either. To me it's because we were raised differently and were raised to be free thinkers and use our own judgement as to what right and wrong is. We honestly cannot fathom a nation of people that lives by this train of thought so most Americans think that if we "invite the middle east to tea and talk about it" we'll come up with a solution and they'll magically stop wanting to kill us, even though that's what they were PROGRAMED (notice how I didn't use the word "raised") to do.

It's like those crazy Evangelical people that think Jesus is coming back any second now...and they've been thinking the same thing for a LOOONG time.

[Steven]

is this not the way things have always been, since the beginning?

[dionysus1999]

It certainly appears that diplomacy is dead. I find it ironic that people who profess xenophobic feelings and advocate killing people call themselves patriotic while advocating for diplomacy and understanding is somehow UnAmerican. I think a study of Joe McCarthy might educational for some people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

[Shade Everdark]

It certainly appears that diplomacy is dead. I find it ironic that people who profess xenophobic feelings and advocate killing people call themselves patriotic while advocating for diplomacy and understanding is somehow UnAmerican. I think a study of Joe McCarthy might educational for some people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Ah, crazy Joe. Not to threadjack, but you realize that only crazy people come out of Wisconsin.

You have Joe McCarthy, Ed Gein, and Jeffrey Dahmer. I rest my case.

He also worked at a law firm for several years one town over from my hometown.