Removing Piercings At Airport Terminals

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Then you need to decide.

Whats more important that that time...

Keeping your piercings in or catching that flight?

[pharoh]

Taking piercings out IS an issue if they're relatively fresh. I can guarantee you I would not be able to put mine back in at this point if I took them out. I would be severely pissed. And as I've been saying... their policy does not require that to happen. Fuck doing what I'm asked if that's not what the rules are. It's great that it's no big thing for you. For some of us it is.

But getting your nips done is a choice that you made, and even though I think it should be a right to fly it isn't. No matter what they set the rules and it's thier choice whether you get to fly or not, which is why I think it all should be goverment regulated.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Why do piercings set off the security detectors, but the underwires in your bra or the buttons on your jeans don't?

That my dear depends on a few things... What metal is it? How dense is it? How much mass does it have? Is it spread out over a an area?

An underwire isn't really all that much metal... it's thin cheap metal too.. so the xrays go right through it. Now, take the same amount of metal.. except make it into a ball.. and use.. high carbon tungsten steel... and your metal detector is going off.

[Msterbeau]

The rules have to be consistently applied or else they're meaningless and they can basically kick anyone off for any reason. If the rules are clear and I've met them or I'm willing to abide by whatever optional conditions they might list, I should be allowed on the plane. If they feel a person is a security risk and they decide not to let them on board despite breaking rules to do so, I'm OK with that, as long as their willing to take the hit if it backfires and they were wrong. Responsibility goes both ways.

[phee]

I have a question.... all metal aside... do they make people who have religious clothing (head coverings, turbins, habits, etc...) remove them as well?

[pharoh]

The rules have to be consistently applied or else they're meaningless and they can basically kick anyone off for any reason. If the rules are clear and I've met them or I'm willing to abide by whatever optional conditions they might list, I should be allowed on the plane. If they feel a person is a security risk and they decide not to let them on board despite breaking rules to do so, I'm OK with that, as long as their willing to take the hit if it backfires and they were wrong. Responsibility goes both ways.

That I think I can agree with...I think that the rules should be alittle more detailed than what they are, then I would support that 100%.

[odims_sphere]

Taking piercings out IS an issue if they're relatively fresh. I can guarantee you I would not be able to put mine back in at this point if I took them out. I would be severely pissed. And as I've been saying... their policy does not require that to happen. Fuck doing what I'm asked if that's not what the rules are. It's great that it's no big thing for you. For some of us it is.

Their policy requires you to do whatever they say or don't board the plane. That's really the only choice we have. We are not forced to fly. If you don't want to do what they say, take the bus, a taxi, a row boat, donkey, or a unicycle. The point is, (as has been said), it's not a right. Comply or find another way.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OK, go by an airline and then you can make the rules. If you don;t like the airline rules... take a car or a boat. They don't have to let you fly.

I don't know if anyone noticed.. the Passanger Bill of Rights got over turned in court... it turns our that customers have one legal recourse when it comes to doing business with a non-government owned company... they can choose not to.

[CandyQuackenbush]

I have a question.... all metal aside... do they make people who have religious clothing (head coverings, turbins, habits, etc...) remove them as well?

Yes. You have to take off shoes, hats, chains, coins, necklaces, belts, MP3 players, walets, purses, dogtags, hair clips, sunglasses.

[odims_sphere]

I have a question.... all metal aside... do they make people who have religious clothing (head coverings, turbins, habits, etc...) remove them as well?

Hrm... good question I don't know exactly, but they should.

[CandyQuackenbush]

Taking piercings out IS an issue if they're relatively fresh. I can guarantee you I would not be able to put mine back in at this point if I took them out. I would be severely pissed. And as I've been saying... their policy does not require that to happen. Fuck doing what I'm asked if that's not what the rules are. It's great that it's no big thing for you. For some of us it is.

My nipple rings where 8 days old and I took them out for my flight back to Iraq. I put them on when I was passed the screening. No big deal.

[phee]

Yes. You have to take off shoes, hats, chains, coins, necklaces, belts, MP3 players, walets, purses, dogtags, hair clips, sunglasses.

Interesting...

I have often noticed that religion seems to get a free pass when it comes to regulations such as this... I know for example shieks are not allowed to remove the turban under any circumstances outside the home...

If I had a peircing and my relgion forbade me to take it off... would they then make special arrangement?

Maybe this is a topic for a new thread... IDK...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

i actually read the TSA website this morning. They have special rules for turbans on shieks. Everything else goes.

[phee]

i actually read the TSA website this morning. They have special rules for turbans on shieks. Everything else goes.

See... that kind of bugs me...

[Msterbeau]

My nipple rings where 8 days old and I took them out for my flight back to Iraq. I put them on when I was passed the screening. No big deal.

That's great for you. I had my first one's in for 6 months and they had to come out for surgery. A few hours later they wouldn't go back in and they weren't fun to take out either.

[Msterbeau]

See... that kind of bugs me...

Clothing covers stuff... religion or not. I think they should come off.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

they prolly should.. but if we force them to take them off... they sue or blow stuff up.

[phee]

Clothing covers stuff... religion or not. I think they should come off.

I agree... I think they should be consistant.... it either all comes off, or not... No one should get a free pass because of faith. I mean if someone is wearing something because of family, politics, fashion, etc... it would come off, why does religion get special treatment? And if that's true why not just claim that nip piercings are religious?

[Oh_My_Goth]

Just as it was in school.....

The many suffer the from the actions of the few.

Our country was terrorized by a few people.....

Now we are all suffering in many ways.

I personally would rather airports be ridiculously careful with a few people, rather than have more people suffer.

I say suck it up and get over it.

Although, I do believe if all she is asking for is a sorry, than they should just shut her up and say sorry.

[Rev.Reverence]

Lawyers are fucking up our planet, (no offense to lawyers who are cool, I met one, once).

In the old days the official in charge of that terminal, (the Boss) would have just had a letter typed up, signed it, and had it mailed off. Done.

Post 80's, a society so scared of each other bringing down litigation on each other, they were loosing their sight of CIVILIZATION.

Post 03', things are DIFFERENT now, life hasn't been fair for a millennium, and when we (well I anyways) thought it was getting better... BOOM.

Staggers my mind to think; but some Americans, were defeated that day.

[torn asunder]

Their policy requires you to do whatever they say or don't board the plane. That's really the only choice we have. We are not forced to fly. If you don't want to do what they say, take the bus, a taxi, a row boat, donkey, or a unicycle. The point is, (as has been said), it's not a right. Comply or find another way.

no, it doesn't - ti requires you to abide by the written rules - if security decides on their own to make you jump thru hoops for them, you shouldn't be required to abide that. there is an option, from everything iv'e read in this thread, for the customer to have a pat-down search, or to expose the area in question, for further inspection. these provisions are provided for those who would prefer them. it's not up to the agent to decide "no, you can't do that - you *must* remove them!". they must abide the rules as well, or they shouldn't be in the job in the first place...

[Oh_My_Goth]

How is removing jewelry suffering?

How do you choose which few people to be ridiculously careful with? Also how do you know that's not exactly what they were doing and she just happened to be one of those few?

She obviously thought she was suffering, that's why I put it that way

[Rev.Reverence]

Interesting...

If I had a peircing and my relgion forbade me to take it off... would they then make special arrangement?

What about metal beads in our DREADLOCKS?

...and DERMAL PIERCINGS...

and what if some fool had his WHOLE back tattooed in metallic inks?

ANSWER: these people are FUCKED!!! (and I'm in there)

[Rev.Reverence]

no, it doesn't - ti requires you to abide by the written rules - if security decides on their own to make you jump thru hoops for them, you shouldn't be required to abide that. there is an option, from everything iv'e read in this thread, for the customer to have a pat-down search, or to expose the area in question, for further inspection.

It just occurred to me that she had an unexplored option.

Leave the airport.

[torn asunder]

It just occurred to me that she had an unexplored option.

Leave the airport.

if i'm fully willing to cooperate with the agents, and i choose to have a pat-down, or a "strip" search, (expose the area in question to visual inspection) why should i have to leave the airport!? if i've paid hundreds of dollars (or more) to fly, and i've cooperated, (or tried to) what right do they have to prevent me from boarding? do they have any proof i'm a threat? do they have any grounds for barring me, when i've communicated my willingness to have the areas in question inspected to prove i'm not a risk? what right do they have to *not let* me participate in these alternatives, when these alternatives will prove my *innocence*?

i call bullshit on those agents...