Homicidalheathen Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 http://vision.ucsd.edu/~kbranson/stopchocolateslavery/ http://www.american.edu/ted/chocolate-slave.htm http://vision.ucsd.edu/~kbranson/stopchoco...teproducts.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1272522.stm
Onyx Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 That's horrible. I'm almost getting numb to all these things though. It seems like everything I buy and everywhere I shop comes with a huge load of guilt! What to do?
Destroit Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 That's horrible. I'm almost getting numb to all these things though. It seems like everything I buy and everywhere I shop comes with a huge load of guilt! What to do? Don't buy it. That's what I do. You really should read my thread on feedlot meat. It's up to us, the consumer, to change the market. It's called supply and demand. If we stop buying unethical products and buy ones that are ethical that oh-god-NO cost more money then the demand for unethical products will go down and supply for ethical ones will rise. I've noticed that we live in a country where we value material goods more than the comfort and well being of other people/creatures and I'm sick of it. Something needs to change, I don't understand how society thinks people are better than animals when we're on the same level as them, behaviorally speaking. It's up to us, and nobody else.
Hellion Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 Its almost impossible to buy anything thats made here,almost everything is made overseas,unless you can live off the land and make your own things,clothes,furniture,etc,etc,etc.
Gaf The Horse With Tears Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 Don't buy it. That's what I do. You really should read my thread on feedlot meat. It's up to us, the consumer, to change the market. It's called supply and demand. If we stop buying unethical products and buy ones that are ethical that oh-god-NO cost more money then the demand for unethical products will go down and supply for ethical ones will rise. I've noticed that we live in a country where we value material goods more than the comfort and well being of other people/creatures and I'm sick of it. Something needs to change, I don't understand how society thinks people are better than animals when we're on the same level as them, behaviorally speaking. It's up to us, and nobody else. The problem I see with your logic is that WE are not the only ones that buy these products. Most of thw rold does.. and if nto these products, some other product just as bad. The USA could stop buying the stuff, which would just make it cheaper for Europe.
Destroit Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 The problem I see with your logic is that WE are not the only ones that buy these products. Most of thw rold does.. and if nto these products, some other product just as bad. The USA could stop buying the stuff, which would just make it cheaper for Europe. Well...how 'bout developed countries stop buying stuff like that?
Gaf The Horse With Tears Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 In a perfect world. too bad ours is flawed.
SaGa Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 a bit more then flawed. im sure most of us have gotten our tickets to hell back when we got that fisherprice toy just take us all back to where we had to make our own cloths and what not... and the sex in the barn days, yeaaaahhhhhhhhh..(ops did i say that)
Homicidalheathen Posted April 15, 2008 Author Posted April 15, 2008 Slave free Brand Name Products Organic? Fair? Source Where to Buy Ah!laska Cocoa, Baker's Cocoa, Chocolate Syrup Unknown Online, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Amano Chocolate Bars No Madagascar, Venezuela Online Art Bars (Ithaca Fine Chocolates') Chocolate Bars Yes Unknown Online, See list here Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream Ghana and unknown Organic line: Whole Foods, Ben & Jerry's, Chocolate: most grocery stores Camino Cocoa Hot Chocolate, Cocoa Powder, Chocolate Bars Dominican Republic Online Chuao Bonbons, Truffles, Chocolate Bars, Hot Chocolate, Dipped Fruit, Cocoa Nibs No Chuao region of Venezuela Online, Whole Foods, San Diego Locations Clif Bar Nectar Bars and Z Bars only No Unknown Most grocery and health food stores. Cloud Nine/Tropical Source Chocolate Bars, Candy Bars, Bulk Chocolates Central Mexico Online, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Coffee-Tea-Etc. Hot Chocolate Yes Dominican Republic Online Country Choice Hot Chocolate, Cookies No Unknown Online, Whole Foods Dagoba Organic Chocolate Chocolate bars, Cacao Powder, Hot Chocolates, Chocodrops, Chocolate Covered Coffee Beans, Chocolate Syrup. Latin America, Carribean Online, Whole Foods Deans Beans Hot Cocoa, Baker's Cocoa Costa Rica Online, Whole Foods, List Divine Bars (Day Chocolate Co.') Chocolate bars, Cocoa Powder, Hot Chocolate, Chocolate Covered Nuts No Ghana Online, U.K. Stores Domori Chocolate Bars, Cocoa, Cocoa beans, Hot Chocolate Peru, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Venezuela, Madagascar Online El Rey Chocolate Bars and Blocks, Discos, Cacao Nibs Venezuela List, Online Endangered Species Chocolate bars West Africa, South America Online, Whole Foods Equal Exchange Chocolate bars, Baking Cocoa, Hot Cocoa Central and South America, Mexico Online, Whole Foods Green and Black's Chocolate Bars, Cookies, Ice Cream, Hot Chocolate, Choclates Dominican Republic, Belize Online, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Health by Chocolate Chocolate Bar, Chocolate Drink Unknown Online, Whole Foods Lake Champlain Hot Chocolate, Chocolate Bars, Chocolate Sauces, Truffles Unknown Online, Whole Foods Larabar Chocolate Food Bar Yes Yes Unknown Online, Store Locator Malagasy Cocoa bar Madagascar Online Max Havelaar Yes No Bolivia, Dominican Republic, Peru Stores all around Europe Mayordomo Mexican Chocolate No No Tabasco and Chiapas, Mexico Online, Whole Foods Newman's Own Organics Chocolate Bars Costa Rica Online, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Nirvana Chocolates Chocolate spread (Nutella-like), Truffle gift-boxes No Unknown Online Omanahene Chocolate Bars, Hot Cocoa Mix, Iced Frappe Mix, Couverture No Ghana Online Pamela's Products Organic Cookies Organic Cookies Yes No Unknown Amazon, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Rapunzel Chocolate Bars, Semisweet and Bittersweet Chocolate Morsels and Dollups, Cocoa, Chocolate Butter Bolivia, Dominican Republic Online, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Raw Revolution Organic Live Food Bar Health Bars No Unknown Local Store Locator, Raw Revolution Online Store Amazon Grocery San Francisco Chocolate Factory GAIA Organic Chocolate Drops Yes Yes Unknown Online Santa Cruz Organics Chocolate Syrup No Unknown Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Scharffen Berger Chocolate Bars, Cocoa Nibs, Cocoa, Baking Bars, Chocolate Sauce, Couverture Slabs, Hot Chocolate, Candies, Truffles Not Cote d'Ivoire Online, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's Shaman Chocolates Chocolate Bars Unknown Online, Whole Foods Sojourn Hot Chocolate Dominican Republic or Costa Rica Seattle Shop Sunspire Chocolate Chips, Chocolate Drops (M&M-like') Central and South America Online, Whole Foods, Henry's/Wild Oats Sweet Earth Chocolates Chocolate Bars, Chocolate Chips, Cookies Dominican Republic, Costa Rica Online Terra Nostra Organic Chocolate Bars, Truffles Central and South America, Carribean Whole Foods, See list here Tony's Chocolonely Slave-Free Chocolate Chocolate Bar No Unknown Stores in the Netherlands, Online Trader Joe's Fair Trade Cocoa Hot chocolate No Yes Unknown Trader Joe's Trader Joe's Organic Chocolate Bars Chocolate Bars Yes No Unknown Trader Joe's Whole Foods Private Label (365 Organic Chocolate, Whole Kids Organic') Chocolate Bars, Truffles, Hot Chocolate Mix Yes Dominican Republic Whole Foods Valrhona Chocolate bars No Trinidad, Venezuela Online, Trader Joe's Yachana Gourmet "Jungle Chocolate" (Cocoa nibs) Yes Equador Online, List
jadnifer Posted April 19, 2008 Posted April 19, 2008 It's sad that most of our products that are purchased here are made in another country. What's even worse than that is the fact that innocent children have to suffer so that we can enjoy those products. I really need to stop eating meat and chocolate now...
ZhukovCodeslinger Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 most stuff from china has some sort of slave labor component between gathering the raw materials and making the finished product. Do you know much about the african slave labor issue and the societies where this goes on? In some cases being a slave in the chocolate, coffee, tea, or diamond fields actually gives people (children) some value (other than for rape purposes). Their society is much different from ours (in many cases we would not recognize it as a society at all) No, I do not have any answers for what to do... and no I am not going to spend 3 times as much for chocolate to ease my conscious (since in many cases the fair trade/ unfair trade commodities are mixed up any way once they leave the fields in the third world.... people tend to lie their asses off when money is at stake)
Rev.Reverence Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Coffee is much the same...( not exactly, but similar)... I've got a hunch we are going to see a PATTERN if we start looking up things like banana plantation
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