Great...new Trend Perhaps?

[know_buddy_kares]

oh no, you are right. i do not have respect for those "mothers" because frankly i don't think having a kid makes you a "mother" that means you gave birth. being a mother means putting all that foolishness aside and taking care of another life first.

so no, i don't have respect for all mothers. just as i don't have respect for all people. you earn respect, don't have it handed to you just because of your title in life.

don't know how you ever surrounded yourself with "women" like that. no offense but that is total trash and like i said, i'd have no part of that bullshit! and i believe you, i would throw up to know/be around/witness that shit.

well said actually, disregard anything previously said in my last reply to you that contradicts this new post.

[JaneDead]

Janedead, i think the big difference between what you're saying from your experinece and what people are objecting to has slipped by you.. your experiences tell me that you were well on your feet and were ready by then, the people we're knocking aren't even done being kids yet. BIG difference, we are not knocking adult mothers who had a stable enough life and were ready for it.. we're knocking faggot kids that aint even done with highs school, let alone college (and in present times, yes... you NEED college to get a job that doesn't pay you shitty wages)

We're not totally anti kid and anti parents, true i never want any, but it sounds like you enjoyed your youth fully before you started poppin em out. What we were arguing against is poppin em out when the mother's are too young and haven't settled their lives yet like colledge education, a guy that will actually be a dad, ect (not knocking single moms, but having that 2nd parent is a BIG help) I would know... my dad left when i was in high school, and shit changed alot, my mom became super busy trying to support us and keep the house.. things became very hard and stressful for the whole family without my dad, though he was never there emotionally, the paycheck from his job helped.. once he was gone.. shit got bad instantly with managing food.. spagetti everynight cuz it's affordable? yup... barely made enough to pay off the house we lived in? yup..

kids gave me shit at school? yup... it had a very very hard effect on me personally dropping down to only having one parent even though my dad wasn't really a father figure anyway, he was just the man that paid for shit and that was it. A father figure is needed for the child's sake. I highly reccomend anyone to not do it by themselves. but yet people are stupid, and the stupid fuck everything up in life.

Kid are a big responsability that these yougn'ns don't understand. Yes, having them before they've settled their feet or even graduated high school, and without the 2nd parent there to help... will ruin their lives, even if they don't see it that way. I don't care what anyone's opinion is, people shouldn't have kids before they themselves have grown up some, because lets face it... it's only gonna fuck up the life of the innocent child from the get go. And to me, that's the biggest tragedy.

oh no, i was hardly "on my feet" when i started to have kids. i was 21. that's still too young if you ask me. it changed my life for sure. i was going out EVERY night up until that point. then i got pregnant and "grew up" right away. i still went out but once a week instead of every day i never felt it ruined my fun though or my life for that matter. things changed but i didn't mind. still don't mind and it is 13 years later....

it hasn't "slipped by me", the point trying to be made- i agree with that ORIGINAL IDEA here. that teen pregnancy should NOT be glorified.

but all the rest going on in these posts sounds like a bunch of bashing to me.

the parents vs. the anti-parents.

what's worse vs. what's better.

when really no one can tell anyone else what is better for their own life.

[know_buddy_kares]

oh no, i was hardly "on my feet" when i started to have kids. i was 21. that's still too young if you ask me. it changed my life for sure. i was going out EVERY night up until that point. then i got pregnant and "grew up" right away. i still went out but once a week instead of every day i never felt it ruined my fun though or my life for that matter. things changed but i didn't mind. still don't mind and it is 13 years later....

it hasn't "slipped by me", the point trying to be made- i agree with that ORIGINAL IDEA here. that teen pregnancy should NOT be glorified.

but all the rest going on in these posts sounds like a bunch of bashing to me.

the parents vs. the anti-parents.

what's worse vs. what's better.

when really no one can tell anyone else what is better for their own life.

but but but... the parents Vs. the anti parents war is making this thread SOOO entertaining!!! Trolls getting fed, trolls spawning new trolls... this is delicious!

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

[JaneDead]

but but but... the parents Vs. the anti parents war is making this thread SOOO entertaining!!! Trolls getting fed, trolls spawning new trolls... this is delicious!

haha i suppose. and it is one reason i do like dgn - the drama that entertains me i usually stay out of it though.

[JaneDead]

btw- this topic is totally in the wrong forum

*edit- now it's not. thanks for the quickness mods

[hunhee]

btw- this topic is totally in the wrong forum

I think it was placed there because of the first post.. the tag about "Proud teenage mom"..

Topic moved by your friendly moderating service...

[JaneDead]

I think it was placed there because of the first post.. the tag about "Proud teenage mom"..

Topic moved by your friendly moderating service...

oh yes i realized that it was there for the pic originally but i knew that the content of the thread would QUICKLY change once opinions started flying!

[know_buddy_kares]

oh yes i realized that it was there for the pic originally but i knew that the content of the thread would QUICKLY change once opinions started flying!

I don't mind internet drama really, it's just something to fuck around on the internet with. But if it ever starts to evolve an effect me personally... that's when i make shit hit the fan and make the people regret they ever took it to that step...

but I don't see this battle doing that, and really with what I read if anyone is so deeply and personally hurt or insulted by something that is said online.. they need mental help lol.

But time to stop jacking this thread and get back on with the topic...

I vote the spears family should be youthenised.. it's fairly obvious that their genes are so hideously weak that it's working backwards like the movie idiocracy. We're supposed to be advancing forward, not moving backwards with reproducing..

The spears are the cancer that is killing America.

[Msterbeau]

btw- this topic is totally in the wrong forum

*edit- now it's not. thanks for the quickness mods

Really? You think it belongs in the music forum, I suppose?

And... I think Eternal is rubbing off on you. Your posts have been multiples of paragraph lately. And the drunk posting? We better get you to a therapist right away.

I think I might be a little off topic at this point...

[JaneDead]

Really? You think it belongs in the music forum, I suppose?

no, mstersmartass it was in pics now it is where it belongs.

and as for my posts lately- eh. i've been bored lately and i like to join in on the bad parenting debates

[punk_princess]

I am a mom and you know, becoming one has made me realize other mothers around me.

Firstly, I am glad that these teens are atleast having their babies and trying to raise them. Yeah teen parent hood shouldn't be PROMOTED, but should be SUPPORTED.

Maybe if people would give motherhood the credit it needs, we wouldn't have so many deadbeat moms and fucked up people in society.

And you know what? I cannot stand when people say that parenthood "ruins your life", unless you are a parent you have no fucking right saying this & if you are a parent saying this, you are a poor excuse for one.

By saying this, you are disrespecting new life and are an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life.

Yeah sure kids aren't for everyone, but don't knock people who have a child/children, regardless of what age they start having children, whether they are planned or not...I take it as an insult, because you are bad mouthing BABIES, new lives that are born in beautiful perfection with emotions and warmth...do you know how immature and disgusting that makes an adult sound when they dishonor babies and mothers? Its putrid.

My daughter has done anything but ruin my life. She is my best friend and soulmate and that's how all mother's should view their children, not only due to the flesh and blood that binds, but because that's what being a TRUE adult is.

And, being a mom is the hardest and most rewarding job. Your boss doesn't love you at the end of the day, but your child does and always will.

They don't ruin your opportunities in life or cram your life. They awaken you to what life is truly about.

I rather be at home raising my daughter and loving her than going out to ridiculous clubs with the same old people and drama...I'd rather be learning from her and teaching her plus furthering my education than getting caught up in college bullshit of nothing but partying and acting retarded and taking a major that, in the end, has nothing to do with my current career.

Single moms that work are awesome. Stay at home moms are awesome. They go above and beyond childless fuckheads who have no respect for the gift of life.

RESPECT mothers no matter their age, race or religion. And, respect their children.

I think that it should be about whats best for the child and not the mom. Some people should not have kids especially teenagers due to the fact that they are still kids themselves and really cannot handle the responsibility of caring properly for a baby.

[Rayne]

oh no, i was hardly "on my feet" when i started to have kids. i was 21. that's still too young if you ask me. it changed my life for sure. i was going out EVERY night up until that point. then i got pregnant and "grew up" right away. i still went out but once a week instead of every day i never felt it ruined my fun though or my life for that matter. things changed but i didn't mind. still don't mind and it is 13 years later....

it hasn't "slipped by me", the point trying to be made- i agree with that ORIGINAL IDEA here. that teen pregnancy should NOT be glorified.

but all the rest going on in these posts sounds like a bunch of bashing to me.

the parents vs. the anti-parents.

what's worse vs. what's better.

when really no one can tell anyone else what is better for their own life.

Yep. I had my first at 19 -- way too young, lol, even I'd say ... I'm 28 (29 next month) now and have four ... lol, still not sure if it's "old enough". It hasn't ruined my life, that's for sure. I enjoy being a parent and can't imagine not being. But it's not for everyone. I have plenty of friends who shouldn't be parents, imo ... and even have a family member who is one step away from getting their kids taken away by social services.

I have no issues with people who choose not to have kids, that's their own choice and I certainly wouldn't hold it against them.

But yeah, the whole kids are "best-friends" and "soul-mates" ... a parent should under no circumstances be their child's "best-friend" ... or even "friend" for that matter. Your parental responsibilities far outweigh any friendship and you have a responsibility to say "no" to that child and prepare them for life. You can't do that by being their "friend".

[Corpse_Ecstasy]

I still think anyone in here that states that children ruin lives is a complete and utter moron and lacks basic reasoning and is living in a superficial world...yeah, sure, blame helpless babies and children just because their parents are selfish and don't appreciate what life is.

But fuck ups always say things from the rotted parts of their mind...so, whatever.

[Corpse_Ecstasy]

But yeah, the whole kids are "best-friends" and "soul-mates" ... a parent should under no circumstances be their child's "best-friend" ... or even "friend" for that matter. Your parental responsibilities far outweigh any friendship and you have a responsibility to say "no" to that child and prepare them for life. You can't do that by being their "friend".

You could have just quoted me on this...

By my daughter being my soul mate and best friend...well, you know what? REAL friends guide their loved ones and do lay down rules when the friendship is through flesh and blood. Anything less than that is not a friend.

Saying "no", and "you can't do that because it isn't safe" is apart of this friendship with her.

I am here as her mother, as the closest friend in life she will ever have and our souls commune in unison.

But her and I are gifted with that type of spiritual love.

People in here seem to think so small. It's disgusting.

[hunhee]

You could have just quoted me on this...

By my daughter being my soul mate and best friend...well, you know what? REAL friends guide their loved ones and do lay down rules when the friendship is through flesh and blood. Anything less than that is not a friend.

Saying "no", and "you can't do that because it isn't safe" is apart of this friendship with her.

I am here as her mother, as the closest friend in life she will ever have and our souls commune in unison.

But her and I are gifted with that type of spiritual love.

People in here seem to think so small, Jesus Christ.

That's because there are people in here who don't believe in souls and Jesus Christ.. (look at my sig., go ahead, click on it.)

[JaneDead]

People in here seem to think so small. It's disgusting.

SOME of the people, not ALL of the people.

don't give up on us yet!

[tanuki1985]

Raising a kid aint easy, it does take sacrifice, but these pop stars with all their money and lack of responsability are giving a wrong image for people who don't have all that privilage they have, so they don't see the massive abyss of suck that you have to sacrifice everything for just to raise a kid if you're not well planted.

Very true. These damn popstars have enough money to pay nannies to babysit their kids while they go out and have fun every day. They probably never change diapers either -- I imagine a highly-paid nanny does that as well. People who don't have kids don't realize all the hard work, time, and money that goes into raising kids. Hell, even I don't truly understand it since I don't have any, but I have an idea since I work with little kids and I have a ton of nephews and nieces. A lot of people seem to think that raising kids is like having a doll -- it's something fun and cute, but it's not a 24/7 job. Unfortunately, having kids is not like playing with dolls; they make real messes, they scream and cry, and they need affection 24/7. Raising a kid is a very tough job, and unfortunately, a lot of shitty parents don't seem to think that.

There is nothing wrong with having kids early on in life if one is truely ready for it, but it's been a growing trend it seems. Now it's really hard to find someone my age who aint delusional or has that extra baggage of kids. Most people flaunt their ignorant mistakes as if they're something special..

I'm four years younger than you, and I also have trouble finding people my own age who don't have kids. Sometimes I actually feel strange or left out because I don't have kids. That's not to say that I want to go have a kid right now to remedy that situation, of course! I'm simply agreeing with you that yes, it seems like it's getting harder and harder to find people my age who don't have kids.

I am a mom and you know, becoming one has made me realize other mothers around me.

Firstly, I am glad that these teens are atleast having their babies and trying to raise them. Yeah teen parent hood shouldn't be PROMOTED, but should be SUPPORTED.

Maybe if people would give motherhood the credit it needs, we wouldn't have so many deadbeat moms and fucked up people in society.

And you know what? I cannot stand when people say that parenthood "ruins your life", unless you are a parent you have no fucking right saying this & if you are a parent saying this, you are a poor excuse for one.

By saying this, you are disrespecting new life and are an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life.

Yeah sure kids aren't for everyone, but don't knock people who have a child/children, regardless of what age they start having children, whether they are planned or not...I take it as an insult, because you are bad mouthing BABIES, new lives that are born in beautiful perfection with emotions and warmth...do you know how immature and disgusting that makes an adult sound when they dishonor babies and mothers? Its putrid.

My daughter has done anything but ruin my life. She is my best friend and soulmate and that's how all mother's should view their children, not only due to the flesh and blood that binds, but because that's what being a TRUE adult is.

And, being a mom is the hardest and most rewarding job. Your boss doesn't love you at the end of the day, but your child does and always will.

They don't ruin your opportunities in life or cram your life. They awaken you to what life is truly about.

I rather be at home raising my daughter and loving her than going out to ridiculous clubs with the same old people and drama...I'd rather be learning from her and teaching her plus furthering my education than getting caught up in college bullshit of nothing but partying and acting retarded and taking a major that, in the end, has nothing to do with my current career.

Single moms that work are awesome. Stay at home moms are awesome. They go above and beyond childless fuckheads who have no respect for the gift of life.

RESPECT mothers no matter their age, race or religion. And, respect their children.

I'm glad that your life with your child has been absolutely picture-perfect. Perhaps you should take a time machine to the 1950's and join that picture-perfect society. Then you won't have to listen to our childless ignorance anymore, whether it's about breastfeeding or being a mother.

No one here is knocking kids. Hell, I love kids... why else would I choose to be a teacher and surround myself by kids five days a week for nine months out of the year? Sure, kids are awesome, but they require a lot of work, time, money, attention, etc. We're simply stating that a lot of people don't seem to understand how hard it is to raise a kid and that childless adults also deserve respect.

WOW...one sided much?

Hell...there was even a study in the news stating that couples who CHOOSE not to have children actually are consistantly 7-10% happier and feel as though they have "more fufilling lives" than couples who have children. Furthermore their relationship has a 16% higher chance of surviving.

I'm a "childless fuck"? Yeah...'cause THAT'S maturity right there...at it's finest. I'm "an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life" due to the fact that I'd like to ENJOY my existance instead of being a feminine sheeple baby factory and shit out a bunch of kids from my crotch? Yeah REAL mature statement there too, lemme tell ya, good parenting fodder right there . Such a good impact on society when you teach your daughter that same brainless inside-the-box dribble and she goes out into society a whole new Paris Hilton .

It also takes $230,000 to raise a kid to be 17 years of age, good luck coming up with that money when you haven't even finished HIGH school. Because teenage moms haven't finished high school and really shouldn't be having kids. I mean hell there was even a PACT between 17 girls at a high school to get pregnant before the end of the year so they could be like Spears' little sister...if there's anyone who DOESN'T think that's absolutely psychotic, then I feel so totally horrible for your brain and others that have to put up with it.

Look...I'm not dissing KIDS...but I diss mothers on a daily basis. Dissing kids is like dissing the hostage in a bank robbery, does NOT make sense. But mothers? RESPECT? YEAH THE FUCK RIGHT...I don't respect mothers unless they prove to me just that...that they're MOTHERS. Most of the women I know who plopped out babies are the same ones that feed them nothing but hot dogs and McDonald's, smoke/drink while they're pregnant, BLOW WEED/CRACK (I've seen it plenty of times before anyone decides to tell me I'm overexaggerating) SMOKE in their babies FACES, don't teach their kids but screech and hollar for no reason (the reason being they're mentally kids themselves), just tell them "don't do that!" and never explain to them why, are too busy trying to snag a man to support THEIR mistake instead of spending time with their kids, leaving their kids with people so they can go out and get drunk, put their kids on ritalin/adderol trying to say they have "behavioral problems" instead of actually TRAINING AND PARENTING THEIR KIDS! How NOVEL, actually raising your kids? GTFO...serious!? These "women" I'm describing, just LOVE talking about their babies and how much they love them and that they're SUCH good mothers. Seriously. Now tell me...tell me NOW...how I'm supposed to respect ALL mothers? You're saying I need to respect those mothers, too? Out of all the mothers I know (hundreds) I can't count off five that I know personally that are halfway DECENT. I know all of these mothers because I'm CONSTANTLY having to raise their kids for them, so trust me, I know all sorts of things about how shitty mothers can be.

Also...having a baby DOES NOT make you special or give your life meaning...if anything your life becomes BORING and mundane. I can't even begin to IMAGINE how absolutely boring and empty my life would have to be to think that kids are fun to be around, never the less want one. Sitting around watching Dora the Explorer and playing patty cake all afternoon isn't my idea of a having a ball and living a fufilling live. So yes...HAVING babies doesn't make anymore special than anyone else...graduating college with a doctorate in Nuclear Physics makes you special, being president makes you special, being on TV or in movies makes you special, being an active member in your community makes you special, being a millionaire makes you special, being Mother Theresa makes you special, coming up with the Theory of Relativity makes you special. I could go on. But having a guy stick his dick in your cooter saying "Oh SHIT...I forgot to pull out" and then having the stick turn blue in a month does not make your life more special or meaningful, I'm sorry it really doesn't. I could say that being a GOOD mother makes you special, and that is true, but as I stated before in my life I've met hundred of women with hundreds of children and I can only name off about five that I think did a good job, mine being one of 'em (obviously...since I'm not brainwashed by society into being a sheeple, am 22 with perfect credit and a condo, and give more than I take).

Also, as a parenting tip your child should never be your "best friend and soulmate" because they don't need a "best friend" they need a fucking MOM! That's how kids work...they're supposed to go get their best friend from down the STREET (i.e. another little kid their age, not someone who is supposed to be the responsible adult raising them). Hell...I couldn't even imagine how few people I physically would have to have in my life to want to call a two year old my best friend, because I personally would be best friends with even the mailman or the creepy lady down the street before I went around saying my best friend was a toddler. It's VERY psychologically damaging to your child to treat them like your friend...you're supposed to be authoritative and directing...not comforting, spoiling, and pampering. Let their friends do that...it's what they're there for. Kids who have moms that are best friends 9 times out of 10 will grow up and be horribly dysfunctional with a bad outlook on the world, a huge ego with nothing to back it up, the feeling that they're special (when in fact nobody is special), and also spoiled (which translates into being bad with money in their adulthood and claiming bankruptcy because they ran up $50,000 in credit card debt, happened to my cousin because her parents were her friends). Don't believe me? Go look it up.

Also...I like my body without stretch marks, thanks. I don't want my stomach to get wrinkly and baggy just to have a kid who doesn't even care (kids don't really care that their mom had them, as a matter of fact some kids are pissed by it like I was). I like my titties where they're at thanks, that would be NOT around my belly button. Good place for 'em, imo.

Also, it doesn't really matter that your kid unconditionally loves you. ALL kids unconditionally love their parents, once again, not special. The only love in the world that's worth anything imo is the kind you have to work for.

Furthermore, nobody's kids matter to anyone but them and their grandparents usually, and that's the gist of it. Your child will not carry on your legacy because THEY die too eventually. Case in point, I want you to take a second and tell me the name of your great-great-great-great grandmother, what she did with her life, what she looked like, what she liked/disliked. Can't? Exactly. Because nobody in the entire universe remembers anything about your great-great-great-great grandmother except God, and I can prove that because you're her "legacy" and not even you know.

Lastly...by having a baby you did not create life. Unless you created your ovaries and your man's sperm...you didn't make shit, you simply blended together ingredients in a receipe that the CREATOR (that's why people call him/her that) came up with. Don't believe in God? Then you're just catering to Mother Nature...but in short you didn't "create" anything. The original creator and/or evolution did, you're just falling for the trick basically. You can't create something if A) You didn't come up with idea and B) Millions upon billions of people did it first. So mothers, please, stop trying to take credit from God for "creating life", it's sacreligious, kthnx. You were basically a pawn, or tool as I like to call it, in the great scheme of the universe, just another bolt in the machine.

So ends my rant....I did good due to the fact that I wanted to use some choice words and refrained as best I could because I have never been so offended and single handedly pissed off at such an ignorant, brainless and intentionally hurtful post in all my time posting on DGN. Maybe I'm just sick of having people tell me I'm worthless just because I'd like to actually live a meaningful existance where I do awesome things like have time for college, making more money, traveling the world, having guys find me attactive (because let's face it, men seek out women who don't have kids already unless they themselves have kids or are desperate and can't find anyone else), having a nice house, writing my novels, mixing my industrial, painting my art, traveling to Chernobyl/Amsterdam/Japan/Germany on a regular basis, having life molding experiences, going to the club instead of being stuck home with screamingly ANNOYING AND ANGER INDUCING children, and well...having a life basically.

So I apologize for my meaningless existance due to the fact that I'd like to have a life and enjoy what the good Lord gave me. I also apologize for the fact that I must be CRAYAYAZY for NOT thinking that being a teenage mother is okay because it isn't. Babies need adults not teenagers. Teenagers need time to grow INTO adults. Babies shouldn't be making babies. That is that and that is FACT. Don't make me link the several statements that back me up on this.

I also take comfort in the fact that if and when I am bored enough with living and am settled down enough to handle it and I decide to actually have one child, that child will live in a WONDERFUL and nurturing household with TWO parents (because when I was little I hated my existance due to the fact that my mom was a single mom and hated both parents because of it, so don't think that it doesn't affect children. It's not fun when you're 8 years old and everyone is accusing your mom of being either a slut of a lesbian because you're the only little girl in class who can't come to the Daddy-Daughter Dance being you're the only little girl in class that doesn't have one) in a HOUSE not an apartment/trailer so that they can have nice parks in the area, decent neighborhood friends, good schools, and a big backyard to play in and so I could have a garden and teach them how to work the earth. At that point I will have gotten the party out of my system (because it's a VERY important aspect of your life...the "social" step that people go through between the ages of 14-25ish) drank gallons upon gallons of liquor, had my face in plenty of glamourous party pics, smoked lbs of weed, out smarted the cops, had outlandish and unforgettable adventures, have friends so that my kid can play with theirs, etc. What's a teenage mom supposed to tell their kid when it comes to stories about their lives? Be like "yeah well, mommy uhmm...she did a lot of partying in HER day...awww who am I kidding? I skipped out on the FUN of life and had YOU...*sigh*"

I didn't know GOD posted on DGN. *claps* Very well-said. There is a definite difference between a MOTHER and an EGG DONOR. Some "mothers" do such a shitty job at it that they're basically just "egg donors."

Also, yes, parents aren't supposed to be your friends. I still remember a debate about this coming up in 8th grade, and at the time, I thought it sounded like fun. As I matured, however, I learned that it DOES NOT work. If you are your kid's friend, then the kid will think (s)he can do anything around you without consequences. Why would my "friend" get mad if I decided to say a few swear words or fight someone in school? Of course that would make my mother mad, but not my "friend!" Hell, if my "friend" told me to stop doing that, I'd tell her to shut up... right? If my mom got firm with me, however, I'd knock it off. I can tell you that this does not work from experience, and I don't even have kids. When I first started teaching and spending more time with my nephews and nieces, I tried the friendly approach, only to be walked over like a piece of dog shit on uncut grass. When I started putting my foot down and playing my role as a teacher and an aunt, the kids started respecting me and listening to me a helluva lot more. I'm not ridiculously strict with kids, but now they realize that I am not a pushover and that they need to listen to me and respect me as their teacher or aunt -- as an adult.

Cher, I'm glad that you spoke out against the ignorance. We truly need that in a mod. Also, I'm glad that there are more people choosing to hold off on having kids until I'm financially and mentally aware enough to put myself to the test. Once I have finished being a "kid" myself, then I can try to raise a kid.

Unfortunately, this leads us to another debate........ Perhaps I will send you a PM later on about starting such a thread, as it may offend some.

JaneDead, your arguments make total sense. I have a lot of respect for you because you are not trying to tell us about how perfect your life is as a mother. You'll admit that not all "mothers" do their job well and that you are not superior to us as a mother. Thank you for being a good debater and for keeping us in check.

[Corpse_Ecstasy]

That's because there are people in here who don't believe in souls and Jesus Christ.. (look at my sig., go ahead, click on it.)

No, I believe in the soul but I am not Christian (lol)

They don't have to believe in souls to respect children.

[hunhee]

No, I believe in the soul but I am not Christian (lol)

They don't have to believe in souls to respect children.

heh.. I know I thought I'd make a funny, and lighten the mood a bit..

Sorry for the derailment peeps.. *back on topic* (I do have a response for this thread, but haven't finished my magnum opus yet).

[Corpse_Ecstasy]

I'm glad that your life with your child has been absolutely picture-perfect. Perhaps you should take a time machine to the 1950's and join that picture-perfect society. Then you won't have to listen to our childless ignorance anymore, whether it's about breastfeeding or being a mother.

No one here is knocking kids. Hell, I love kids... why else would I choose to be a teacher and surround myself by kids five days a week for nine months out of the year? Sure, kids are awesome, but they require a lot of work, time, money, attention, etc. We're simply stating that a lot of people don't seem to understand how hard it is to raise a kid and that childless adults also deserve respect.

Yes, you are knocking kids when you state that they "ruin lives."

Picture perfect? Fuck yes our love is perfect, as love is a perfect emotion between mother and child...

but easy? No. I have worked hard to get what I need for my daughter, and have been through HELL with her, such as getting negative fuck-heads out of my life and doing it all on my own. It's tough, but any real woman can pull it off alone & with no man.

You know what 1950's? When people say that a one parent home is tougher than a two parent home. Guess what, it isn't any different. If you are strong enough adult with a head on your shoulders and are a hard worker...you do just fine.

What about two parent homes where one parent is abusive? It happens. Regardless of money, age and race.

It isn't 1950's , it's called respecting life no matter what era it is.

Sorry that my views are emotionally based and make sense...and that whatever world you are living in is dull, emotionally dysfunctional and biased.

If motherhood was supported more often, then more mothers out there (especially young ones) would know how to take the responsibility of a child more seriously.

And you mentioned breastfeeding? That's coming from a mom who knows that no matter what you wear when you breastfeed your child, that they are getting more nutrients than some power crap in a can, plus are getting the emotional stimulation they need.

Oh and, being a teacher and being a mom is a huge difference...trust me. I went to college to become a teacher K-5, but dropped out and am enjoying motherhood much much more with my OWN child.

Hey I am all for respecting people who don't want children.

But when those very people knock people who do, or bitch when they do have kids...then its when I lose respect for them.

Children do come by surprise, and just because they aren't planned doesn't give people like you the right to say that they screw up lives and applaud the people of low emotional degree that state the same worn out liberal bullshit as you do.

Bad mom's (and bad dad's too) aren't any under justification because their kids came unexpectedly.

For everything, there is a season, and a reason.

[JaneDead]

I'm glad that your life with your child has been absolutely picture-perfect. Perhaps you should take a time machine to the 1950's and join that picture-perfect society. Then you won't have to listen to our childless ignorance anymore, whether it's about breastfeeding or being a mother.

No one here is knocking kids. Hell, I love kids... why else would I choose to be a teacher and surround myself by kids five days a week for nine months out of the year? Sure, kids are awesome, but they require a lot of work, time, money, attention, etc. We're simply stating that a lot of people don't seem to understand how hard it is to raise a kid and that childless adults also deserve respect.

actually i don't think she was claiming it was picture perfect but rather that being a mother is hard and rewarding and she is honored to have that role in her life.

which, i share as well.

and "having kids" has kind of been knocked a bit.

no one ever said/should be saying that we should all be parents. or should all want to be parents. or that all of us should love kids.

just as no one is/should be saying no one should have kids, no one should be a parent, no one should love kids.

i think people are getting a bit sensitive from each end - childless by choice and the mothers - because each probably feels they are being bashed for their opinions on it. and in a way, they are.

really it should go back to TEEN PREGNANCY not how being a parent is rewarding or how children ruin your life and your figure.

[know_buddy_kares]

I agree, the thread has been slightly jacked by a misunderstanding and spawned an argument that could be it's own topic.

I don't exactly see where there were knocks against being a mother period... but being one before you're ready in life is a different story. And it's not just thinking you're ready. Sometimes things happen too soon, I know at 27 if i even wanted kids, I know enough that I'm not capeable of being the type of parent I feel I should be due to what I do in life. Some soldiers pull it off, but to me, my life is still to risky to be able to sincerely KEEP a PROMISE of stability to a kid of mine. But then, I want them to have a good living condition and clothes and food as well, in a good neighborhood also. Reaching that point in life is hard enough as it is, and for those of us who do enjoy sex, heh, it can happen sooner than when we'll be ready for it.

But for these kids to actually go off and try before they even learned to leave the nest and fly on their own is simply appalling. This is why I think the Spears kids should be assassinated. It's making our evolution as a society walk backwards and further down the drain than it already is.

[tanuki1985]

Yes, you are knocking kids when you state that they "ruin lives."

Picture perfect? Fuck yes our love is perfect, as love is a perfect emotion between mother and child...

but easy? No. I have worked hard to get what I need for my daughter, and have been through HELL with her, such as getting negative fuck-heads out of my life and doing it all on my own. It's tough, but any real woman can pull it off alone & with no man.

You know what 1950's? When people say that a one parent home is tougher than a two parent home. Guess what, it isn't any different. If you are strong enough adult with a head on your shoulders and are a hard worker...you do just fine.

What about two parent homes where one parent is abusive? It happens. Regardless of money, age and race.

It isn't 1950's , it's called respecting life no matter what era it is.

Sorry that my views are emotionally based and make sense...and that whatever world you are living in is dull, emotionally dysfunctional and biased.

If motherhood was supported more often, then more mothers out there (especially young ones) would know how to take the responsibility of a child more seriously.

And you mentioned breastfeeding? That's coming from a mom who knows that no matter what you wear when you breastfeed your child, that they are getting more nutrients than some power crap in a can, plus are getting the emotional stimulation they need.

Oh and, being a teacher and being a mom is a huge difference...trust me. I went to college to become a teacher K-5, but dropped out and am enjoying motherhood much much more with my OWN child.

Hey I am all for respecting people who don't want children.

But when those very people knock people who do, or bitch when they do have kids...then its when I lose respect for them.

Children do come by surprise, and just because they aren't planned doesn't give people like you the right to say that they screw up lives and applaud the people of low emotional degree that state the same worn out liberal bullshit as you do.

Bad mom's (and bad dad's too) aren't any under justification because their kids came unexpectedly.

For everything, there is a season, and a reason.

Wow, now I can see that debating with you is like trying to debate with a brick wall. I don't think any more needs to be said, as you are making yourself look worse with each post. I am now choosing to leave this argument, as I am not one to become involved in online debates and flamewars. Arguing on the Internet is, well, a useless activity.

And yes, I agree with JaneDead, this thread is becoming slightly off-topic.

[Corpse_Ecstasy]

actually i don't think she was claiming it was picture perfect but rather that being a mother is hard and rewarding and she is honored to have that role in her life.

which, i share as well.

and "having kids" has kind of been knocked a bit.

no one ever said/should be saying that we should all be parents. or should all want to be parents. or that all of us should love kids.

just as no one is/should be saying no one should have kids, no one should be a parent, no one should love kids.

i think people are getting a bit sensitive from each end - childless by choice and the mothers - because each probably feels they are being bashed for their opinions on it. and in a way, they are.

really it should go back to TEEN PREGNANCY not how being a parent is rewarding or how children ruin your life and your figure.

Yeah well she was mocking me, no matter how you look at it.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that, if you don't want kids, that's great, but don't :

1.) Bitch about people who do

2.) Bitch when you yourself become a parent unexpectedly, because this is signaling you to mature up, you can use protecting and contraceptives when you have intercourse, and if you don't, well, expect that a new life will enter your life and atleast accept it with grace and not complain about it like a bratty child.

With teen pregnancy, I don't in any way, shape or form promote it or think that these teens are responsible enough to really take on the full parental role.

But, if these young girls are supported and shown how to be a good mom and are praised for trying to be good mothers, than that's just better for their children and for the teen mother's well-being.

They should be educated with the resources that exist out there to help them succeed even with the challenges that face very young parents, and that you can still go to school and have a great job and be an excellent mother.

It teaches them that working hard only betters the lives of them and their child, and though, that as I said, it may not be easy, but it is do-able.