Appauled...

[EAF (1)]

In my Sociology class the other day I literally had a jaw dropping moment. In my intro to sociology class, which consists of all ages, both sexs, and as many different races as is possible for Jackson, I was appauled by my peers. We were going over a very few important sociology cases that have made break throughs is human behavior. This one in particular was about obediance to authority even when people thought what they were doing was wrong. We got to a part where they had done a follow up test on the same subject and that 100% of the woman who participated, although they objected, did not disobey.

We then started to talk about how it was done in the 60's and the menatlity differance of women from that era to today's mind set. The teacher brought up the subject of date rape and how most woman in a date rape believe it is their fault since they picked the guy. We then had a small disscussion of woman and rape that led to one woman in her mid 30's to saying, "Well men don't get raped so they don't have to worry about it."

Our teacher being the antagonist he is, looked at her and smiled before explaining he knew of two particular stories as well as the statistic of males being raped. Which of course led to a guy about my age 20 or so, to blurting out that men are only raped by other men, never women. Which lead my teacher to furthur explain in his calm tone that men can, have, and are raped by woman more than people think.

On this very cue...over a majority of the class, all ages, all types...broke out in hysterical laughter.

My jaw literally dropped, gapeing, as I slowly realized not just the annoying, immature hip-hopper to my right was laughing but that almost all of the class was.

The teacher proceeded to explain that it was because the woman had a knife to the mans neck in this particualr story, and that in another a police officer was raped by two men he had stopped, had told his unit and was then laughed at...and then shot himself on the spot. The class fell silent...my teacher said in a clam voice that for women people take pitty and are more understanding of their emotional state afterwards, but that men have no such thing for the most part.

Which was followed by random cantar of how can a raped man get it up when being scared and raped...followed by the roaring laughter from before. The class was dissmissed and continued to scoff amongst themselves on the subject.

As people left, one girl went to ask the teacher questions on the matter. So my interest was peaked and I stood to listen...at the end after she left he looked at me and asked if I had any questions. I smiled a scoffing smirk and replied with a no, pausing to say that I did have a comment of sorts however. I told him I had found it inaprpriate, immature, scarry, and downright appauling that people had laughed about men being raped.

He kind of smiled, listened, nodded his head and said he completely agreed. That it was sad about how many people are not willing to except to see such things.

I guess i want to know what you guys think about this...not male rape, just peoples reaction to such a conversation. Do you think I am overreacting? Or does anyone find this as offensive as I did?

I guess with me this really hit home since I know 4 men who were hurt in such a way. And I find it sad that the world basically laughed in their faces, and finds such things exceptable.

[phee]

My feelings,

The class laughing is a classic example of people laughing about something that they are uncomfortable with. They don't know how to file it in their brains so they laugh.

It is a condition of the remaining stereotypes that are in the culture. A conversation like the one tends to shine a black light on the nasty little stains that are still in the cultural paradigm.

[EAF (1)]

Haha if people were to open their eyes and look deep enough, we have far more than just little stains in it lol In my opinion there are huge holes still left to try and patch, we unfortualty as a society focus on a lot of the wrong things.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

My feelings,

The class laughing is a classic example of people laughing about something that they are uncomfortable with. They don't know how to file it in their brains so they laugh.

It is a condition of the remaining stereotypes that are in the culture. A conversation like the one tends to shine a black light on the nasty little stains that are still in the cultural paradigm.

Are they uncomfortable or are the just laughing at, to them, an absurd idea? I have met many a person that laughs at the idea of Men being raped by women. It's not that they can't believe it happens, they wont. They deny it as truth because to accept it means they have to question many of the ideas about sex and society that they have. It goes against the extreme Feminist view that all men are victomizers... that all heterosexual sex equates to men raping a women. It brings an equalness to the sexes that can't exist for the Femanist view to have any teeth.

[Rev.Reverence]

Then you are like me..... you care "too much"... GOOD JOB...we are short staffed...it is said in several religious texts that some people are "better" at respect/caring than others... we (humans) can hear each others pain... OUR PEOPLES LISTEN... these religious texts I speak of nearly all say a "finite number" of us exist at a given time...so it is very short staffed, in this day & age...

(HUGZ)

My feelings,

The class laughing is a classic example of people laughing about something that they are uncomfortable with. They don't know how to file it in their brains so they laugh.

It is a condition of the remaining stereotypes that are in the culture. A conversation like the one tends to shine a black light on the nasty little stains that are still in the cultural paradigm.

I'll go one further Phee..... people have 3 reactions...HORROR (disgust..shock)...LAUGHTER (in the sence you speak of it..EXACTLY..I call it "Ignorant Laughter").......The third is a different kind of Laughter...Gnostic Laughter.....it comes from the opposite corner of emotive/intellectual response...this person KNOWS...& quite often KNOWS too well.....then..the two choices in the mind become to Laugh OR to CRY...

[Rev.Reverence]

Are they uncomfortable or are the just laughing at, to them, an absurd idea? I have met many a person that laughs at the idea of Men being raped by women. It's not that they can't believe it happens, they wont. They deny it as truth because to accept it means they have to question many of the ideas about sex and society that they have. It goes against the extreme Feminist view that all men are victomizers... that all heterosexual sex equates to men raping a women. It brings an equalness to the sexes that can't exist for the Femanist view to have any teeth.

Get 'em Gaf!

[phee]

Are they uncomfortable or are the just laughing at, to them, an absurd idea? I have met many a person that laughs at the idea of Men being raped by women. It's not that they can't believe it happens, they wont. They deny it as truth because to accept it means they have to question many of the ideas about sex and society that they have. It goes against the extreme Feminist view that all men are victomizers... that all heterosexual sex equates to men raping a women. It brings an equalness to the sexes that can't exist for the Femanist view to have any teeth.

Indeed...

A good example is the bumper stickers that say "There is no excuse for violence against women".... does anyone else see the problem with this phrase?

[EAF (1)]

I honestly felt as if part of the class was laughing from being uncomfortable, but to me it felt more threatening than that. I could hear side comments and jokes that went past the classroom...I feel like both sides we very present in that room at that moment. One thing I noticed is a few laughed, then stopped...I believe these to be the uncomfortable ones, and then there were the ones that no matter how long they laughed it sounded as if they just found it funny as hell.

And feminism in general upsets me when it comes to the whole equality factor. Yeah cool, we fought, got rights, are still fighting, but in some areas like emotional areas like this, women trample men and any thought of them needing help in such a way. If men say so then often times society labels them as deranged or weak...which is of course utter bull$hit.

So I am guessing so far though that we don't dissagree on the severity of the subject at hand.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

It says that there is an excuse for violence against Men.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I honestly felt as if part of the class was laughing from being uncomfortable, but to me it felt more threatening than that. I could hear side comments and jokes that went past the classroom...I feel like both sides we very present in that room at that moment. One thing I noticed is a few laughed, then stopped...I believe these to be the uncomfortable ones, and then there were the ones that no matter how long they laughed it sounded as if they just found it funny as hell.

And feminism in general upsets me when it comes to the whole equality factor. Yeah cool, we fought, got rights, are still fighting, but in some areas like emotional areas like this, women trample men and any thought of them needing help in such a way. If men say so then often times society labels them as deranged or weak...which is of course utter bull$hit.

So I am guessing so far though that we don't dissagree on the severity of the subject at hand.

Now we just need a Femanist to post.

[phee]

It says that there is an excuse for violence against Men.

Correct... that is the problem I have with that statement.

Which brings the topic back to where we started... the double standard... Woman gets raped (sad) Man gets raped (funny/pathetic)

[EAF (1)]

I agree, it does...and femenists stare at me funny saying i'm a woman therefore should care about femenism, which I do...to a degree...to only the degree I feel woman deserve to be treated though, not all this extra special bull$hit.

Haha my thoughts exactly, i'm waiting for someone who is either blind to the subject comment or a hardcore how dare you say such things femenist.

I posted it on my Myspace as well, so maybe it might happen there, I think most people here have common sense lol

[phee]

I agree, it does...and femenists stare at me funny saying i'm a woman therefore should care about femenism, which I do...to a degree...to only the degree I feel woman deserve to be treated though, not all this extra special bull$hit.

Haha my thoughts exactly, i'm waiting for someone who is either blind to the subject comment or a hardcore how dare you say such things femenist.

I posted it on my Myspace as well, so maybe it might happen there, I think most people here have common sense lol

Yes a woman who wants equality? A woman who wants equal pay, to not be discriminated against in the workplace, but still wants the door opened for her by the male population :(

[EAF (1)]

Sorry for the double post, but I kind of want to add something...I think that in particular...it is white men. Simply because they used to be the opressors and so now have become the opressed...it makes me sad to think people believe it is ok to make someone "pay" for things they persoanlly had no hand in. I think every group has it's own set of probelms and anymore I feel like since everyone wants to try and fix their's first instead of eliminating half of the problems through dimolishing the lines between them, like missunderstanding and intolerance, everyone wants to sit back and say they're right.

Everyone always has to be right instead of realizing in many ways that we're all very wrong.

Haha, well said, just like they wear things to make men look and then ask how dare they be treated like eye candy. rofl Personally if i'm wearing something sexy...I want them to look. And hell I do want equal pay since for a Nuero clinical psychologist that means I will be making $30,000 less when I know I can be good at it too. And in general everyone should open doors for other people, it's just a nice thing to do lol.

[Enishi]

Many men have an idealized notion of the universal women in their heads that they lavish their affection and hopes upon. To even consider that a woman would be capable of raping a man destroys their delusion of the pure princess being saved by them "the noble knight" from the inferior hordes of drolling perverts.

And of course, many women will hate idea, because its knocks them off their moral high horse. Reports of false rape accusations being made by women has had a similar reaction I have found.

[Rev.Reverence]

Correct... that is the problem I have with that statement.

Which brings the topic back to where we started... the double standard... Woman gets raped (sad) Man gets raped (funny/pathetic)

Yup...I think we should start a "Human Equality" movement as apposed to Woman's Equality... or Gay's Equality... or "Ethnic Equality"... I say this because if the world stopped picking on each other in these manners...My peoples & I would be the last thing that the "meanies" would have to pick on... so, I'll start the 'fight' early....ehe? PHEE?

[phee]

Yup...I think we should start a "Human Equality" movement as apposed to Woman's Equality... or Gay's Equality... or "Ethnic Equality"... I say this because if the world stopped picking on each other in these manners...My peoples & I would be the last thing that the "meanies" would have to pick on... so, I'll start the 'fight' early....ehe? PHEE?

Accept I think that asian women who are gay are superior.... other then that.... totally with you

[EAF (1)]

lol...espcially with the mood i'm in I feel like saying... HELL YES! lol

rofl at Phee...just like I think smexy men who like to bite me are just as superior unless we speak of the visual kei asian women then I am totally there with you Phee.

[Rev.Reverence]

Accept I think that asian women who are gay are superior.... other then that.... totally with you

.....shhhhhhhhhhh.. ...THEY *points at the lurkers* will figure out who is running the show.....

[SaGa]

Yup...I think we should start a "Human Equality" movement as apposed to Woman's Equality... or Gay's Equality... or "Ethnic Equality"... I say this because if the world stopped picking on each other in these manners...My peoples & I would be the last thing that the "meanies" would have to pick on... so, I'll start the 'fight' early....ehe? PHEE?

that whould never happen. sure descrimination laws can exsist. but they just hide the nature of most humans, when a group/race/anybody else who shares ideas. theres some sort of ego that makes them feel like there more deserving then others. either they are above everyone and feel they deserve to kick other groups or genders down the ladder to keep things the way they are. the other is of course the group being kicked. will kick the group higher up to give them some slack. or kick them to dominate them. its rarely about being at a equal level in society.

on the side note. judges are also swayed very much bye the feminist movement. if they judged truely without seeing gender but people. the most dominant group will make a huge fuss about it. who knows with enough pressure on the system it could even be called a mistrial. a unbiased opinion that just so happens to support a man is seen as gender biased.

[EAF (1)]

Unfortunatly all of these things continue to happen. And your right Saga, people say equality but everyone just wants to one up the person in their way. It makes me sad to think that too few people want to truely be equals and help one aother.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

It's kinda like Freedom. People scream for freedom all the time, what they really want is Respect.

[taysteewonderbunny]

Now we just need a Femanist to post.

Fine. I will. No, I don't think that people's discomfort with this issue is because of the adoption of feminist viewpoints. And in no way was the bumper sticker intended to be read "violence against men is okay". I think that you are being unnecessarily combative. There is another alternative to your reasoning. It is not "feminism" that created the male social role that you are railing against. I'm not saying that the edict of "boys don't cry" isn't also partly women's fault. It took BOTH predominant genders to create the war of the sexes, but such dichotomous divisions of sexual roles--many of which have yet to be challenged effectively because our (read 'feminist') insistence that men be regarded as wholly human (i.e. capable of being physically harmed, sexually scarred and emotionally abused to the extent that women are so vulnerable) is met with the accusation that we are "emasculating" them--was, in fact, developed during and through a male-dominated social order.

I have long been aware of the sexual violence that can and has been perpetrated against men. Most of the men I have dated have confessed that they've been the victims of that kind of abuse, both from men and women. At my school, I advocated for inclusion of male counselors for the male victims of sexual assault via WSU's helpline. I know how real that issue is.

[taysteewonderbunny]

Yup...I think we should start a "Human Equality" movement as apposed to Woman's Equality... or Gay's Equality... or "Ethnic Equality"... I say this because if the world stopped picking on each other in these manners...My peoples & I would be the last thing that the "meanies" would have to pick on... so, I'll start the 'fight' early....ehe? PHEE?

Yeah. You know, feminism has gotten a really bad rap lately. It really ISN'T supposed to be female chauvinism. That defeats the point. I suppose I should just start calling myself humanist and leave it at that.

[Rev.Reverence]

Yeah. You know, feminism has gotten a really bad rap lately. It really ISN'T supposed to be female chauvinism. That defeats the point. I suppose I should just start calling myself humanist and leave it at that.

YAY!!