history of Freemasons

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

The information will never be made available.

As for what I know but do not say - if you really want to know what it is that I know and will never speak to the public, then come prove yourself and earn the knowledge.

As for what I do not know. There are still 2 rites and the shrine in which I have not addressed. I cannot speak on Scottish Rite, York Rite nor Shriners. For the core of Masons, I know damned well what I can speak and what I wont speak.

As for our "agenda"....

To help men be better, not than anyone else - but better than themselves.

honestly..I will admit...I can do ALOT of things...and do pretty much whatever I want...but being a Freemason...I will confess...I don't think I could ever have the ness skills or qualities to become a freemason.

and as for what you do not know..I was talking about things like records and books that are over in ENgland, and many other countries...where Freemasonry is MUCH older then what it is here...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yes.

Though truth be told, I'm by no means an expert on them. Be it the original order back in the 12th century, or the more modern variant.

Well, I know a bit about the original Order... and the second order that Napoleon had disbanded.. and the third that Hitler had disbanded... and I can talk about the Order that is now part of the Catholi Church and only has 12 members...

but I was talking about the Order that is part of the FreeMasons.

[Raev]

honestly..I will admit...I can do ALOT of things...and do pretty much whatever I want...but being a Freemason...I will confess...I don't think I could ever have the ness skills or qualities to become a freemason.

and as for what you do not know..I was talking about things like records and books that are over in ENgland, and many other countries...where Freemasonry is MUCH older then what it is here...

The process in which it takes to begin to reaching Master can be very harsh. I've seen good men not make it. It isn't for everybody, which is ok. It doesn't make them less of a person in any way - it just means they for some reason or another weren't right for us.

I don't personally know you, so I can't speak as to if I believe you may possess the qualities.

As for the records and books in other countries, it is dramatically easier for us to learn something than it is for someone who is not a member. There is a process to learn darn near anything. It just isn't an easy one. Anything that one seeks to learn can be but nothing is given for free. Everything must be earned.

[Raev]

Well, I know a bit about the original Order... and the second order that Napoleon had disbanded.. and the third that Hitler had disbanded... and I can talk about the Order that is now part of the Catholi Church and only has 12 members...

but I was talking about the Order that is part of the FreeMasons.

I can speak on no order that is part of Freemasons, as I am not a member of any affiliate order (of which we have a few). I can only speak on that which I know.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I know... I was just... well... feeding the conspiracy.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

The information will never be made available.

All information can be made available...you just have to know how to get to it without making it overly complicated.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Knowledge earned is so much better than knowledge found.

[Raev]

There is a process to learn darn near anything. It just isn't an easy one. Anything that one seeks to learn can be but nothing is given for free. Everything must be earned.

When I say it will never be made available, I mean it will never become public knowledge.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

When I say it will never be made available, I mean it will never become public knowledge.

never is a strong word...to rather say that "it will never WILLINGLY become public knowledge" would be better....ANYTHING is able to become available to the public...either willingly...or by force...

I am not condoning force to retrieve the knowledge...I am just saying that it CAN happen.

[Raev]

never is a strong word...to rather say that "it will never WILLINGLY become public knowledge" would be better....ANYTHING is able to become available to the public...either willingly...or by force...

I am not condoning force to retrieve the knowledge...I am just saying that it CAN happen.

It's been attempted.

We chose to defy the Nazi party and many were put to death in Auschwitz because of it. No secret was spilled.

In addition, we faced a backlash based on misinformation in the 1800s in the United States, where an entire political party got it's start by it's platform being that of being anti-masonic.

We've maintained our integrity and our ways through these events and numerous others throughout history.

We are dedicated to keeping our secrets.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

It's been attempted.

We chose to defy the Nazi party and many were put to death in Auschwitz because of it. No secret was spilled.

there is a weak link in everything...look..I'm not trying to disavow or disgrace the Freemasons...I do believe that all knowledge, even that kept as "secrets" by certian organizations, should be available to anyone, at anytime, without trials and tribulations....knowledge, IMO, should be a free thing...and those that hide knowledge only show that they have something to hide.

this goes the same for any organization with secretive origions...Jesuits, Masons, SKulls....all of them.

[Raev]

there is a weak link in everything...look..I'm not trying to disavow or disgrace the Freemasons...I do believe that all knowledge, even that kept as "secrets" by certian organizations, should be available to anyone, at anytime, without trials and tribulations....knowledge, IMO, should be a free thing...and those that hide knowledge only show that they have something to hide.

this goes the same for any organization with secretive origions...Jesuits, Masons, SKulls....all of them.

The knowledge pertains to us and not to the outside world. It is obtainable by those who choose to seek it out, the path just isn't an easy one.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

The knowledge pertains to us and not to the outside world. It is obtainable by those who choose to seek it out, the path just isn't an easy one.

and this is one of the main reasons I could never become a Mason....Freemasonry has had influence in at least several major events in the past 300-400 years...and since those events have effected the public, and the world, I believe that the Knowledge of the Masons should be available to the public.

If I was to become a Mason...I would reach the highest I could....then pour forth, to the public, all the knowledge available to me. To do otherwise shows that there is something to hide...and that there is a fear or prejudice or something outside....that is something I cannot, and will not, live by.

[Rev.Reverence]

and as for what you do not know..I was talking about things like records and books that are over in ENgland, and many other countries...where Freemasonry is MUCH older then what it is here...

You are misled sir... the Freemasons... & Masonic Guilds are related but not the same body...

...Operative Masonry dates back to the STONE AGE... Speculative Masonry started in the Renaissance... but Freemasonry is certainly less old... now that you know the historical... you can stop looking SO insane... & take that lil' tin-hat off... you have earned this BIGGER one...

[Rev.Reverence]

...& by the way...it is NOT as hidden as you would think... but if you found it... you would not tell either..

[Raev]

GFP, I can assure you .... what you are thinking our history is, our influence is, our purpose is....it is not what you think.

Even more...if you were to make it to Master Mason..and begin to see, you too would be proud of what we are.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

GFP, I can assure you .... what you are thinking our history is, our influence is, our purpose is....it is not what you think.

Even more...if you were to make it to Master Mason..and begin to see, you too would be proud of what we are.

I love the craftmenship and the incricities of societies and guilds like the Freemasons and such....but like I said before....I believe knowledge should be shared...not kept in hiding...I digress anymore, because I do not what to offend you, but I will say that you are asking me to trust you about things that are hidden away...nothing against you, but thats not my style...not in my beliefs..