Eugenics

[phee]

Rev, what you are talking about is not Eugenics. At all.

OMG - People who claim that God speaks directly to them usually end up in rubber rooms or clock towers.

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[Rev.Reverence]

Rev, what you are talking about is not Eugenics. At all.

O.K., then..if you understand me finally...what the fuck am I talking about? what do you call it?

[phee]

O.K., then..if you understand me finally...what the fuck am I talking about? what do you call it?

I call what you are describing as medical education and family planning...

[Rev.Reverence]

I call what you are describing as medical education and family planning...

FINE...then we'll call it that...

...but I still think it is based on it.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

..or Sainted.

True, but those ones actually change the world for the postive on a grand scale.

[Rev.Reverence]

True, but those ones actually change the world for the postive on a grand scale.

..were not dead yet...

[boshy]

....simple animal instincts advocates Eugenics. It's called survival of the fittest and the best man gets the mate. It's only now in modern times that we're ignoring that and just slopping around with whoever we feel like fucking and getting knocked up by, which imo, is a problem.

Refer to my post toward the top about the two bucks locking antlers out in the woods over a doe...strongest and most healthy buck generally wins and therefore passes on his strong healthy traits. Usually how it works in nature, why should we begin to ignore this as humans?

humm i thought you knew your darwin better than that! it's not the best man gets a mate, it's who ever is best suited to the environment lives to reproduce. eg. if an albino bunny is born in a brown forest then it will be spotted and quickly eaten. but, if it is born when a new ice age begins the brown bunnies get eaten and eventually the dominant rabbits are white.

[sass_in_the_pants]

...hm....yes...if you know something is very likely to happen, & you tempt fate anyways...& then the forewarned calamity occurs...I will consider you a foolhardy & irresponsible hairless-monkey...whether or not the people involved are so inclined to shoulder the responsibility in an honorable fashion...acting in such an honorable fashion, while noteworthy, does not erase such silliness...

..I feel very strongly that if one is to procreate, one should aim to make children more than they are...at least by 1.

Things happen in this Chaotic manifestation...people are different than each other for a reason...I'm not calling for a "culling", I am calling for more responsible mating habits in an across the board manner...perfectly healthy peoples should really think harder than they do about breeding...perhaps a good start is to think of procreation as what it is...

Since when was a child a calamity?

[sass_in_the_pants]

I did not judge anyone.....I stated my opinion.....

I obviously have a different set of beliefs than you and you will never see my point.....

I do not understand the way you think.....Please enlighten Me on how your world is working out better than mine might.....

Does it really have to be one extreme or the other?????

Is there no gray area in you world?????

& When this child in particular would sit in his chair, crippled beyond belief, watching the other kids.....He would cry.....

Enlighten you as to my opinion? I have written PAGES in this post and the Tubes Tied post. Have I been unclear? You have given me pithy remarks and excessive punctuation.

I fear I am the one who is seeking enlightenment from you, on your opinions. Please answer some of the questions I have posted and I will answer yours.

[sass_in_the_pants]

....simple animal instincts advocates Eugenics. It's called survival of the fittest and the best man gets the mate. It's only now in modern times that we're ignoring that and just slopping around with whoever we feel like fucking and getting knocked up by, which imo, is a problem.

Refer to my post toward the top about the two bucks locking antlers out in the woods over a doe...strongest and most healthy buck generally wins and therefore passes on his strong healthy traits. Usually how it works in nature, why should we begin to ignore this as humans?

Bucks also eat their own poop.

I do not aim to be more like the animal kingdom, thankyouverymuch.

I do not understand what you have against PLANNING. What is it?

I do not understand what you have against people choosing who they BREED with...sorry that happens to be one of the most Spiritual things I think a person can do...if you disagree then say so...don't sit here & tell me I wrong for wanting to make the best tomorrow.. by making choices.

I'm being quite frank now..if you don't read the words, you will not know what I am saying.

I do have a question here...should I choose my spouse based on how genetically superior of a baby he would make? What if I just love him? Couldn't he be my spouse just because of that? Honestly, here, how would this process you are suggesting work? Would I ask for my husband's genetic background on the first date, or when he proposed? Because if I'm not going to have children with my husband, I'm not going to have children with anybody even though I'm pretty sure my genes KICK ASS!

(have children as in birthing them...we're already looking into fostering or adopting)

[Rev.Reverence]

I do have a question here...should I choose my spouse based on how genetically superior of a baby he would make?

What if I just love him? You should love some one as a first rule..

Couldn't he be my spouse just because of that? Why not...it is your genes...do what thou will.

Honestly, here, how would this process you are suggesting work?

Would I ask for my husband's genetic background on the first date, or when he proposed?I think that we should be as informed about our genes as we are about what is circulating with our blood. So, somewhere in between those two examples should do it...it could just be another conversation slipped in somewhere in the year or two before the wedding...

Because if I'm not going to have children with my husband, I'm not going to have children with anybody even though I'm pretty sure my genes KICK ASS! Again...you genes...your choices...YOUR LIFE.

(have children as in birthing them...we're already looking into fostering or adopting)So, in other words...these questions you asked me were for no reason.

[eleven]

Honestly, it is a sub conscious thing to choose a mate you think you would procreate well with...based on eye color, color of skin ect ect....what we are attracted to is a subconscious choice to what our children will look like....

We are Part of the animal kingdom whether we like it or not...

that is all :D

[Rev.Reverence]

Since when was a child a calamity?

ca·lam·i·ty

Etymology:

Middle English calamytey, from Latin calamitat-, calamitas; perhaps akin to Latin clades destruction

Date:

15th century

1 : a state of deep distress or misery caused by major misfortune or loss

2 : a disastrous event marked by great loss and lasting distress and suffering

You see...a being born, is never a calamity.

However...many find the deformity/genetic disorder a very serious calamity...as the children in question rarely lead a life of their own...the parents life is also pretty much spoken for...for all time.

Do not for a moment think that I would balk at those noble hearts & minds that would honorably shoulder their cross...but all too often I hear of parents mistreating these children.

Where I say "these children" I mean those with autism, Downs, and a myriad of other syndromes & disorders resulting in the manifestations of mental, social, & physical retardation.

Do you see what I mean yet?

[Rev.Reverence]

Honestly, it is a sub conscious thing to choose a mate you think you would procreate well with...based on eye color, color of skin ect ect....what we are attracted to is a subconscious choice to what our children will look like....

We are Part of the animal kingdom whether we like it or not...

that is all :D

I thoroughly agree with your findings...however...many, many peoples so very stringently BELIEVE (read:lie to themselves & believe it) that they are no longer animals...

When in this state of denial...I have found that the communication between the frontal lobe & the rest of the Human is severely hampered...they are week, & have far more health problems than peoples who embrace their animal inside.

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[sass_in_the_pants]

So, in other words...these questions you asked me were for no reason.

No, my reason was that I wanted to better understand your point of view.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Enlighten you as to my opinion? I have written PAGES in this post and the Tubes Tied post. Have I been unclear? You have given me pithy remarks and excessive punctuation.

I fear I am the one who is seeking enlightenment from you, on your opinions. Please answer some of the questions I have posted and I will answer yours.

You seem to be trying to get Me to pass judgment on particular people.....

I will not do such a thing.....

I have been quite clear about how I feel.....If you think my remarks are 'pithy' then that is your view.....I believe I have been clear.....

You go on living in your world and I will continue thriving in mine.....

[Oh_My_Goth]

Bucks also eat their own poop.

I do not aim to be more like the animal kingdom, thankyouverymuch.

I do have a question here...should I choose my spouse based on how genetically superior of a baby he would make? What if I just love him? Couldn't he be my spouse just because of that? Honestly, here, how would this process you are suggesting work? Would I ask for my husband's genetic background on the first date, or when he proposed? Because if I'm not going to have children with my husband, I'm not going to have children with anybody even though I'm pretty sure my genes KICK ASS!

(have children as in birthing them...we're already looking into fostering or adopting)

So are you planing on adopting a child with a disability?????

Just curious because you say people should have children regardless of weather or not they want or are able to care for them, say for instance a child with MD.....

Will you be the one to step up and take responsibility for one of these children?????

If not, I don't want to hear any more of your 'holier than thou' BS.....Because that is all I am hearing from you.....

Now I say "good day, M'am".

[sass_in_the_pants]

So are you planing on adopting a child with a disability?????

Just curious because you say people should have children regardless of weather or not they want or are able to care for them, say for instance a child with MD.....

Will you be the one to step up and take responsibility for one of these children?????

If not, I don't want to hear any more of your 'holier than thou' BS.....Because that is all I am hearing from you.....

Now I say "good day, M'am".

OMG, what did I do or say to you? Why do you think I feel holier than thou? I have said it before on this board, and I meant it - it is MY soul which is in trouble, moreso than yours or anyone else on here.

I am planning on adopting a child with disabilities or a sibling group. Both are difficult to place, and...I can't explain it, but I just have a feeling that there are children out there, children that need me, and that I need, and all we have to do is meet. Since having the twins, the idea of raising multiples doesn't intimidate me as it once did.

My brother, Dennis, died four years ago. I miss him. So, maybe in a small sense, I am hoping that when I adopt someone of his disabilities, that I will be able to regain some of that love that I lost. I don't know. It's a situation I wrestle with daily.

I am not adopting because I am a nice person. I'm kind of an ass. I've said it here numerous times, and I think you would agree with me. I am adopting because it is something I feel compelled to do. I can't explain it. A calling, maybe? I don't know.

And please, PLEASE show me where I said that people should have children regardless of whether or not they want or are able to care for them. I have not said that, nor do I FOR A MOMENT, believe that. I am sorry if I somehow gave that impression. Is this because I am pro-life? I am of the belief that an abortion leaves one dead, and one injured. If a woman is unable to care for her child, I think it would be the most incredible, amazing, wonderful gift of love and humility to give it up for adoption. I have SO much respect for those women, I can't even put it into words.

[sass_in_the_pants]

You seem to be trying to get Me to pass judgment on particular people.....

I will not do such a thing.....

I have been quite clear about how I feel.....If you think my remarks are 'pithy' then that is your view.....I believe I have been clear.....

You go on living in your world and I will continue thriving in mine.....

I really wanted to understand your point of view and it is difficult when your responses are so brief, or, pithy, as I said.

Why woiuld I want you to pass judgement on people? Your position on eugenics SOUNDS like you are. I'm sure that's not the case. Which is why I ask so many questions, so that I can better understand your position.

Based on this post, and the one before, I sense that you are no longer interested in talking to me. That's fine. Just know that I am still curious as to your views, if you are ever so inclined to elaborate.

[Oh_My_Goth]

OMG, what did I do or say to you? Why do you think I feel holier than thou? I have said it before on this board, and I meant it - it is MY soul which is in trouble, moreso than yours or anyone else on here.

I am planning on adopting a child with disabilities or a sibling group. Both are difficult to place, and...I can't explain it, but I just have a feeling that there are children out there, children that need me, and that I need, and all we have to do is meet. Since having the twins, the idea of raising multiples doesn't intimidate me as it once did.

My brother, Dennis, died four years ago. I miss him. So, maybe in a small sense, I am hoping that when I adopt someone of his disabilities, that I will be able to regain some of that love that I lost. I don't know. It's a situation I wrestle with daily.

I am not adopting because I am a nice person. I'm kind of an ass. I've said it here numerous times, and I think you would agree with me. I am adopting because it is something I feel compelled to do. I can't explain it. A calling, maybe? I don't know.

And please, PLEASE show me where I said that people should have children regardless of whether or not they want or are able to care for them. I have not said that, nor do I FOR A MOMENT, believe that. I am sorry if I somehow gave that impression. Is this because I am pro-life? I am of the belief that an abortion leaves one dead, and one injured. If a woman is unable to care for her child, I think it would be the most incredible, amazing, wonderful gift of love and humility to give it up for adoption. I have SO much respect for those women, I can't even put it into words.

Good luck with that.....

[sass_in_the_pants]

Good luck with that.....

Thank you!

[Rev.Reverence]

I really wanted to understand your point of view and it is difficult when your responses are so brief, or, pithy, as I said.

Why woiuld I want you to pass judgement on people? Your position on eugenics SOUNDS like you are. I'm sure that's not the case. Which is why I ask so many questions, so that I can better understand your position.

Based on this post, and the one before, I sense that you are no longer interested in talking to me. That's fine. Just know that I am still curious as to your views, if you are ever so inclined to elaborate.

I am not so sure that this is the proper word...

We have darn near the same ideas on near everything...

I hope that you understood my...(I use WAY more words in person)

pithy

One entry found.

Main Entry:

pithy Listen to the pronunciation of pithy

Pronunciation:

\ˈpi-thē\

Function:

adjective

Inflected Form(s):

pith·i·er; pith·i·est

Date:

1562

1 : consisting of or abounding in pith 2 : having substance and point : tersely cogent

synonyms see concise

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Main Entry:

1pith Listen to the pronunciation of 1pith

Pronunciation:

\ˈpith\

Function:

noun

Etymology:

Middle English, from Old English pitha; akin to Middle Dutch & Middle Low German pit pith, pit

Date:

before 12th century

1 a: a usually continuous central strand of spongy tissue in the stems of most vascular plants that probably functions chiefly in storage b: any of various loose spongy plant tissues that resemble true pith c: the soft or spongy interior of a part of the body2 a: the essential part : core b: substantial quality (as of meaning)3: importance

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Main Entry:

2pith

Function:

transitive verb

Date:

1805

1 a: to kill (as cattle) by piercing or severing the spinal cord b: to destroy the spinal cord or central nervous system of (as a frog) usually by passing a wire or needle up and down the vertebral canal2: to remove the pith from (a plant stem)

[sass_in_the_pants]

I am not so sure that this is the proper word...

We have darn near the same ideas on near everything...

I hope that you understood my...(I use WAY more words in person)

hehe...I was going for the spongy tissue definition

Here's what dictionary.com says:

1. brief, forceful, and meaningful in expression; full of vigor, substance, or meaning; terse; forcible: a pithy observation.

That's what I was going for...

[Rev.Reverence]

OMG, what did I do or say to you? Why do you think I feel holier than thou? You do use an awful lot of absolute statements & purport belief as fact..(I'm not saying I don't sometimes) I have said it before on this board, and I meant it - it is MY soul which is in trouble, moreso than yours or anyone else on here. "Don't be SO hard on yourself." (that's what Fater Raymond Sayers told me when I made a similar statement, he's a Catholic Preist, so you can listen to him.)

I am planning on adopting a child with disabilities or a sibling group. Both are difficult to place, and...I can't explain it, but I just have a feeling that there are children out there, children that need me, and that I need, and all we have to do is meet. Since having the twins, the idea of raising multiples doesn't intimidate me as it once did.

My brother, Dennis, died four years ago. I miss him. So, maybe in a small sense, I am hoping that when I adopt someone of his disabilities, that I will be able to regain some of that love that I lost. I don't know. It's a situation I wrestle with daily. A useful & apparently thought out application of sorrow.

I am not adopting because I am a nice person. I'm kind of an ass.(that's ok...I'm a Goat...&..an ass is better company than a sheep) I've said it here numerous times, and I think you would agree with me. I am adopting because it is something I feel compelled to do. I can't explain it. A calling, maybe?YES, it would kinda' HAVE to be. I don't know.

And please, PLEASE show me where I said that people should have children regardless of whether or not they want or are able to care for them. I have not said that, nor do I FOR A MOMENT, believe that. I am sorry if I somehow gave that impression. Is this because I am pro-life? I am of the belief that an abortion leaves one dead, and one injured. If a woman is unable to care for her child, I think it would be the most incredible, amazing, wonderful gift of love and humility to give it up for adoption. I have SO much respect for those women, I can't even put it into words.

[Rev.Reverence]

hehe...I was going for the spongy tissue definition

Here's what dictionary.com says:

1. brief, forceful, and meaningful in expression; full of vigor, substance, or meaning; terse; forcible: a pithy observation.

That's what I was going for...

I am thorough sometimes...& you never know what you kiddz will pull out & use as slang....I see that..