Proposal 1 Medical Marijuana

[peelingchrome]

Yeah...but we're not all like that. You can't base a law that will be applied to everyone off of the experiences of one person, that just doesn't make sense.

As much as you had a negative experience with it, that is not the same for everyone else, and it really DOES help people with debilitating diseases, there's no denying this. And not everyone who smokes pot is lazy, slow, gaining weight, etc. When I was a full time pothead I got more done in life before noon than most of my straight edge friends got done all week. Also to note that I was a sexy 135 lbs...and now that we only smoke on weekends I'm up to a flubby gross 170.

I'm in favor of this as well. Like many other things, I feel that it should not be restricted by law, but by a person's preference. At the risk of pissing off a LOT of people, I'm gonna compare this to abortion, another thing I'm in favor of. I choose not to smoke weed (I don't enjoy it personally) and I would do everything in my power (in my personal life) to avoid having an abortion, BUT I don't feel the government has a right to RESTRICT the choices of the people based on the views of SOME. Just because it's not right for me, doesn't mean it's not right for ANYONE. If it's legal and you don't like it, then fine: don't do it. If it's ILlegal and you want to do it, you're a criminal. Kinda like being lactose intolerant and saying that all milk products should be illegal because they aren't good for me. Even though milk is bad for you, it isn't illegal. See this link if you don't believe me. Alcohol is bad for you, but it isn't illegal (just restricted), and same goes for tobacco. So, I guess the point of this rant is this: I don't like it, but that doesn't give me the right to make everyone else live by my choices. Live your own damn life and stop telling other people how to live theirs.

I'd vote yes. But if you're high when driving, or some other similar situation where impairment is dangerous - you go to jail and get ticketed like you would if drinking/drunk.

I agree with this as well.

...its funny how the BIGGEST cash crop ever is banned. and its not a cash crop just for those that smoke. it grows extremely fast. its uses for rope, fabrics. paper, and oil are far more economical then our current systems.

"Make the most you can of the hemp seed & sow it everywhere." - George Washington

Too true, although hemp and marijuana are now two seperate things. Marijuana was bred for an increased THC content. George Washington wasn't the only one in favor of hemp; during his famous crossing of the Delaware he was wearing hemp fiber clothing and flying a flag made of hemp fiber. The Declaration of Independance was written on hemp paper, and signed in the light of hemp-oil lamps. Kinda ironic, eh?

Yeah, I'll stand behind this one. It just seems right, ya know?

[SaGa]

Too true, although hemp and marijuana are now two seperate things. Marijuana was bred for an increased THC content. George Washington wasn't the only one in favor of hemp; during his famous crossing of the Delaware he was wearing hemp fiber clothing and flying a flag made of hemp fiber. The Declaration of Independance was written on hemp paper, and signed in the light of hemp-oil lamps. Kinda ironic, eh?

the war on drugs has spilt over and hurt many private sectors of a product with a thousand uses. yes they are two seperate plants. yet there both illegal to grow. and are both lumped togeather

its funny how the state of the world is. and laws that are only there to enslave the poor with debt. and yet our pop culture does a 180 and promotes smoking weed everywhere. its ironic

[peelingchrome]

the war on drugs has spilt over and hurt many private sectors of a product with a thousand uses. yes they are two seperate plants. yet there both illegal to grow. and are both lumped togeather

its funny how the state of the world is. and laws that are only there to enslave the poor with debt. and yet our pop culture does a 180 and promotes smoking weed everywhere. its ironic

+1

[Rev.Reverence]

Too true, although hemp and marijuana are now two seperate things. Marijuana was bred for an increased THC content. George Washington wasn't the only one in favor of hemp; during his famous crossing of the Delaware he was wearing hemp fiber clothing and flying a flag made of hemp fiber. The Declaration of Independance was written on hemp paper, and signed in the light of hemp-oil lamps. Kinda ironic, eh?

Yeah, I'll stand behind this one. It just seems right, ya know?

First...nice post...

Second...Hemp is ONE plant...it is (unlike most plants) a "sexed" plant (there ar 2 plants that intertwine...other plants have both organs in the flower bud)...I dug this off the web here to support an above post...

* Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere!

o George Washington in a note to his gardener at Mount Vernon (1794), The Writings of George Washington, Volume 33, page 270 (Library of Congress)

o Washington also recorded his concern that the male and female plants be seperated:

May 12-13 1765: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.

August 7, 1765: —began to seperate (sic) the Male from the Female Hemp at Do —rather too late.

Some assert his interest in separating the male and female plants is an indication that he may have used Indian hemp medicinally to treat his chronic tooth aches. Others note that fiber of the male and female hemp plants have a different optimum harvest times.

...m-kay?!?!?!

(I am not done...be Right back!)

[Shade Everdark]

Can I vote that I'm sick of a silly issue like medical marijuana? We should just legalize the stuff already.

Though I don't partake, hemp is supposed to make a much better and infinitely more renewable source of paper than trees. For that alone, we ought to legalize it.

[TitsMcGee]

I knew someone with stage 4 ovarian cancer that was so drugged up on pain killers but still in pain, if smoking a joint could have helped her she should have been allowed that comfort. I already voted by absentee ballot and I voted yes for this.

I do find it rather amusing that it was suggested to just get things from the health food store since pot is an all natural plant, if it was totally legal it would probably be sold in said health food type store.

Reason for edit: spelling

[Reaper]

I'd have to agree to that too Marc. Though, it would be miuch harder to test for at the scene of any accident than booze it.

I would think that a strand of hair can produce a lot of results and maybe they will eventually have a small test tube sample done within minutes. I know its not there yet, but if the accidents were to happen often enough where someone had smoked it enough in the past, I am sure they would be able to come up with a quick test. Well, strands of hair probably wouldn't work as anyone can walk through a party with smoke in the air and get it in their hair. Maybe a saliva test would become the way to test at that point. Just depends on how much you had to smoke and even then, its like alcohol as it affects everyone differently.

Personally, I am with Marc on it solely for the purpose of medical usage, not excusage.

[Hellion]

Definately YES!!!

[TygerLili]

Yes to the proposal.

Would vote no if there were ever a proposal to legalize it for general purposes.

But if you're high when driving, or some other similar situation where impairment is dangerous - you go to jail and get ticketed like you would if drinking/drunk.

Absolutely!

[shadowraith]

I knew someone with stage 4 ovarian cancer that was so drugged up on pain killers but still in pain, if smoking a joint could have helped her she should have been allowed that comfort....

i'm right there with you on this... i lost a very good friend to cancer a few years ago, and it would have really helped her

i vote yes

typo edit

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I would think that a strand of hair can produce a lot of results and maybe they will eventually have a small test tube sample done within minutes. I know its not there yet, but if the accidents were to happen often enough where someone had smoked it enough in the past, I am sure they would be able to come up with a quick test. Well, strands of hair probably wouldn't work as anyone can walk through a party with smoke in the air and get it in their hair. Maybe a saliva test would become the way to test at that point. Just depends on how much you had to smoke and even then, its like alcohol as it affects everyone differently.

Personally, I am with Marc on it solely for the purpose of medical usage, not excusage.

It's hard to "spot" test for it as it stays in your system for up to 30 days.. longer if you are over weight. Up to 15 of what ever the unit is they measure is legal to have in your system... as you get that amount from being in the same room with someone that smokes it.

I can't remember what they call the unit size they measure... I need to find my old piss test results.

[Msterbeau]

excusage.

New word FTW!!!!

[Oh_My_Goth]

Some people {not just on this board} seem to think this proposal is to legalize marijuana.....

Ummm, it isn't.....

It is to let people who are in serious pain get relief from using a medicinal plant.....

Instead of using something like morphine.....

So, yeah.....I will vote yes.....I think it is a good step in the right direction for alternative natural remedies to be recognized as viable treatment options.....

& On the subject of general usage.....Not everyone gets lazy & stupid from smoking marijuana.....

It is not something that everyone should utilize.....It is a tool, not a toy.....

[Goth Brooks]

Some people {not just on this board} seem to think this proposal is to legalize marijuana.....

Ummm, it isn't.....

It is to let people who are in serious pain get relief from using a medicinal plant.....

Instead of using something like morphine.....

Morphine? made from opium poppies? a "medicinal" plant?

It's funny when people mention that this is a proposal to legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes and not general use. It's funny considering every person campaigning for signatures is some stoned out dreadlocked hippy... and not some old glaucoma/HIV/cancer sufferer.

The main problem is this: Proposal 1 would circumvent FEDERAL LAW. It is against the Constitution for a State to enact a law that over rides a Federal one. And it's always the hippies crying about the constitution being shat upon. Anyone else laughing?

[cptdeath]

all the drug laws we have in place have evolved to the point were they are now for a reason. we can not fight injustice and expect to win, without cousing injustice.

i think weed is a great medacine. I think xanex is far more devestating to the drug related population (mind altering substance). there are far to many evils in the drug world. here were i live now the king of the world is who ever has ROXIES. a form of oxycodone that is devoid of that time realeased attribute in oxy. I see fiends everywhere. 5 of 10 people i meet are addicted to perscription pills to a redicules degree. like they need to snort 10 pills every day to feel normal or they get sick and start to shake and go into withdrawls. the souless fiends will do anything to get those pills.

if you drink and take xanex together for recreation within a month you'll get charged with domestic violence like chris benoit or kill yourself like the kid down the block from me.

so yeah smoking pot is probably a good idea. pills destroy your liver and kidneys and besides it's not like people listen to the doctor and quit drinking forever because of a xany script.

weed is an exelent apetite stimulant. if you've ever been to sick to eat you would love to feel a healthy varacious appetite again from one instant fix all.

people should be able to be more open with their doctors about recreational drug use. what if doctors could perscribe drugs for recreational use. I think that would help to get a handle on things.

legalizing all drugs is just stupid. people bying haroin in vending machines. cola with actual cocaine. big brown bottles of opium like 1800's. No the way things are came from the way things were. I think YES on this one. but maybee we should do something to check the rampant abuse of crazy perscription pills. maybee when a drug company makes a drug they should know it's potential for recreational use and realize if it can give a buzz people will take it /sell it , they should study the affects of it in a long term sense in combonation with alchohal to see what will happen when they put it on the market. Hey maybee the do do that and see if the benefit outweighs the negative and factor in profits before they flood the market.

also federal law gets trampled alot more then you think, especialy in Utah. here in Flordia it's legal to own a switch blade and it's legal to own a silencer for ant firearm. one is a 2 year federal felony and the other, Possetion of a silencer is a federal felony usualy getting 7-9 years. but you can buy and utalize those things at any gun store in FL without fear of prosecution from this state.

[Raev]

Being rather Libertarian minded on most topics, I naturally fall in line with voting yes.

Then again, I do maintain the belief that there should be wholesale legalization of most narcotics. Legalize it, regulate it, tax it...then abolish income taxes.

If someone chooses to get high - it's their life. Me personally, I'll never be high for as long as I live. I just won't stand in the way of someone else living their life as they see fit - as long as they aren't endangering the well being of those around them and not inhibiting another individuals ability to live as they see fit.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Morphine? made from opium poppies? a "medicinal" plant?

It's funny when people mention that this is a proposal to legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes and not general use. It's funny considering every person campaigning for signatures is some stoned out dreadlocked hippy... and not some old glaucoma/HIV/cancer sufferer.

The main problem is this: Proposal 1 would circumvent FEDERAL LAW. It is against the Constitution for a State to enact a law that over rides a Federal one. And it's always the hippies crying about the constitution being shat upon. Anyone else laughing?

I so do not have dreadlocks thank you very much. Never even had them when I had hair. Also, I have emphysema. So,

but yeah, I get what your saying and it is laughable.

I think this and other measures like it are more to send a message to Washington than actually legalize anything.

BTW, Opium isn't "made" from poppies as much as it is bled out of them.

[Rev.Reverence]

Morphine? made from opium poppies? a "medicinal" plant?

It's funny when people mention that this is a proposal to legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes and not general use. It's funny considering every person campaigning for signatures is some stoned out dreadlocked hippy... and not some old glaucoma/HIV/cancer sufferer.

The main problem is this: Proposal 1 would circumvent FEDERAL LAW. It is against the Constitution for a State to enact a law that over rides a Federal one. And it's always the hippies crying about the constitution being shat upon. Anyone else laughing?

Yes..it is a medicinal plant...one that has been relied upon far to much for far to long...it destroys the body. It should not be used so much..

...'could you be MORE wrong (semantically)??

You & I both know that you love to spew hate at people...at least stop with the absolute statements...it's sick...

Like the peoples who are sick & dying could really get out there & do the petitions...the petitions actually get carried around by a very diverse group of peoples...when last I signed the petition, it was a man & his wife, he had a 'nice' haircut, a suit & tie; she wore a dress I would expect to see in church.

As a dreadlock, I take a high offense at this statement....dreadlock =/= pothead. ..one does not portend to the other..I know allot of 'locks that don't even smoke.

More absolute statements...they will paint you into a corner in the room of wrongness!

..& about the FedLaw...um..they're workin' on that too!..so, um yeah..get ready for some change!

...& there are allot of local Laws that circumvent FedLaw...

I so do not have dreadlocks thank you very much. Never even had them when I had hair. Also, I have emphysema. So,

but yeah, I get what your saying and it is laughable.

I think this and other measures like it are more to send a message to Washington than actually legalize anything.

BTW, Opium isn't "made" from poppies as much as it is bled out of them.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

...& there are allot of local Laws that circumvent FedLaw...

Like what? I mean, can you name some?

[phee]

Like what? I mean, can you name some?

I think killing someone in Inkster is considered a "Zoning Violation"...

[Rev.Reverence]

Like what? I mean, can you name some?

...didn't cptdeath just site 2?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

No, he didn't, he only thinks he did.

Switchblades are covered by the The Switchblade Act of 1958. It makes it's illegal to posses one on Federal lands, Indian reservations, military bases, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other protectorates. Many states do have laws that make them illegal.

There is no law the makes silencers Illegal. There is one that regulates who can own them and under what circumstances they can be used as outlined in the national Firearms Act of 1934.

[Rev.Reverence]

No, he didn't, he only thinks he did.

Switchblades are covered by the The Switchblade Act of 1958. It makes it's illegal to posses one on Federal lands, Indian reservations, military bases, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other protectorates. Many states do have laws that make them illegal.

There is no law the makes silencers Illegal. There is one that regulates who can own them and under what circumstances they can be used as outlined in the national Firearms Act of 1934.

..so sorry Gaf..I thought peoples knew what they were talking about...

Why don't you go find some Laws that fit the criteria?...since you work the Google like no one else...

[Destroit]

Morphine? made from opium poppies? a "medicinal" plant?

Note the accented word: made. I.e. COMES from a medicinal plant...yet it not that plant. Heroin comes from the same plant and you don't see then shooting people up in hospitals with heroin to kill the pain because it's DEFINATELY not the same thing. Morphine is also different from natural opium. In any case opium is HIGHLY addictive, whereas marijuana isn't, so if anything we should be getting rid of morphine in hospitals and replacing it with weed.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Note the accented word: made. I.e. COMES from a medicinal plant...yet it not that plant. Heroin comes from the same plant and you don't see then shooting people up in hospitals with heroin to kill the pain because it's DEFINATELY not the same thing. Morphine is also different from natural opium. In any case opium is HIGHLY addictive, whereas marijuana isn't, so if anything we should be getting rid of morphine in hospitals and replacing it with weed.

Thank you.....

I knew somebody was going to say that about morphine.....