Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry

[Rev.Reverence]

....your answer to someone possibly losing their job due to poor policymaking is "they should have seen it coming?"

WTH?

In this economy, there *are* no other jobs.

This isnt the answer.

..Don't " " at ME..I'm not EVEN voting for this guy...I'm just PRETTY sure that he's gonna' take it...

I have been heavy against BOTH candidates in the "Major Parties"...

AS I want change...REAL CHANGE...not a CHANGING OF THE GUARD.

..& YES..."THEY" (the leaders of these companies) should have seen it coming, probably did; & probably have it all set up to have ALL their assets liquid & moved to another company they ALREADY OWN set up for Solar/Wind energy...& guess what...THOSE DUDES (company leaders) don't give a fuck WHERE their cash comes in from...JUST AS LONG AS IT KEEPS COMING...

SO..who do I blame? Obama? His Buddies in te House & Senate? The Greedy Business Guys?

[freydis]

..Don't " " at ME..I'm not EVEN voting for this guy...I'm just PRETTY sure that he's gonna' take it...

I have been heavy against BOTH candidates in the "Major Parties"...

AS I want change...REAL CHANGE...not a CHANGING OF THE GUARD.

..& YES..."THEY" (the leaders of these companies) should have seen it coming, probably did; & probably have it all set up to have ALL their assets liquid & moved to another company they ALREADY OWN set up for Solar/Wind energy...& guess what...THOSE DUDES (company leaders) don't give a fuck WHERE their cash comes in from...JUST AS LONG AS IT KEEPS COMING...

SO..who do I blame? Obama? His Buddies in te House & Senate? The Greedy Business Guys?

What you're saying makes more sense when you've clarified who youre talking about. The earlier quote looked like youd said the workers deserved no empathy because they "should have seen it coming" and found another job. Kind of harsh, and unrealistic, when you look at it that way.

Saying that the *company* should have seen it coming and began to invest more in other means of energy production makes more sense (and isnt as harsh to the worker), but its still kinda overly optimistic. What, big corporations spending money on more efficient ways to do things? HA. heheh.....

and as for the ...... My reading of the comment deserved one, in my opinion. Laying it at the doorstep of the poor working stiff would be unfair.

[Rev.Reverence]

Solar power is not viable with current technology as anything more than a supplement. Wind power would be grand if you could get the environmentalists and people like Ted Kennedy to stop suing everyone that tries to build enough windmills to produce power.

It seems the country as a whole is simply NOT READY for advancement to a less destructive way interface with the planet...

..& by the way...1 minute of clicking & reading brought this to my lap...LINK

Officials said cost is a larger concern for customers than roof space. First Solar should be able to meet the demand for its panels with the expanding capacity at its Ohio plant, but could look to expand its U.S. manufacturing, Ahearn said.

...peoples just gotta' stop fuckin' their credit up...& SAVE some cash...you can bail off the grid for less than you'ld think...I've been hearing of peoples doin' it for over a decade..but THOSE bright explorers were heralded as "nuts" & "kooks" by the gereral public & Media..(so, YA...EVERYBODIES FAULT, 'CAUSE NOBODY LISTENED.)

..& getting a 3rd person in the Race (if not the White House) is far easier than you all think...BUT the country has to WANT to CHANGE first...

[Rev.Reverence]

What you're saying makes more sense when you've clarified who youre talking about. The earlier quote looked like youd said the workers deserved no empathy because they "should have seen it coming" and found another job. Kind of harsh, and unrealistic, when you look at it that way.

Saying that the *company* should have seen it coming and began to invest more in other means of energy production makes more sense (and isnt as harsh to the worker), but its still kinda overly optimistic. What, big corporations spending money on more efficient ways to do things? HA. heheh.....

and as for the ...... My reading of the comment deserved one, in my opinion. Laying it at the doorstep of the poor working stiff would be unfair.

..but the WORKERS know NOW...so they SHOULD start looking towards the future...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

..but the WORKERS know NOW...so they SHOULD start looking towards the future...

They are, and it's pretty fucking bleak.

Solar power is not viable. It's cost to produce, in money and energy, out weigh it's benefit.

Wind power could work right now... if the fucking tree hugging hippies and the far left would stop their adamant opposition to it.

[SaGa]

..but the WORKERS know NOW...so they SHOULD start looking towards the future...

alternatives still have not met up with the power of coal and oil. keep in mind the profits for energy isnt much. so a price incress whould happen. this whould affect a lot more then just your tvs and lighting. as that energy will go through all sectors. and its not like people are not going to green. its marketable currently. notice all the advertisement for it. but you cant force them to hurry there assess up with it. that whould leave no energy period. or energy that whould cost way to much, buisnessess whould suffer big time with the cost spike. and everyone whould pay. energy is the commodity the defines a lot of price now. since machines replaced labor.

id be much better with a energy cap (with variables for families). exceed the cap and you pay more for the energy that exceeded the cap. much like how cellphone plans work. it whould cut down on the demand for energy, make people a little less wasteful. and make those who want there lights on longer to think about some upgrades in the future to avoid the hassle of conserving. not sure the formula for buisnessess on it. that whould get lengthy.

[Mizuna]

I seem to have more faith in business than you lot it seems.

By no means will coal power plants close, or atleast in my opinion. Some may lose jobs due to the increase in cost, however that does not mean that the plants would close. Most taxes are based onto the last consumer, so chances are all that will happen is power will end up costing more and a percentage of people would result in being unemployed. By no mean will it be as high as some of you people seem to believe (Extremes are fun but a little naive).

Also I can't actaully see this passing, it doesn't fit with tax principles explained by Adam Smith. That means chances are tax legislation won't be changed.

Business legislation relating to investment might be and require an increase in expenditure on renewable resources. Realistically you can't expect the legislation to be passed straght away and have full impumentation on the spot, that would be stupid and in the past such changes are impumented over a extended period of time and not just off the spot.

If this legislation got passed it would just mean that there would be less dividend payouts but potentially more income in the future aswell as jobs.

Note: People change their minds, politicians are people. It is a past recording for a reason, it is from the past and it may not be relevent now.

Note: Politicians aren't stupid, only assholes, they might actually be smarter than you think.

[Goth Brooks]

Solar power is not viable with current technology as anything more than a supplement. Wind power would be grand if you could get the environmentalists and people like Ted Kennedy to stop suing everyone that tries to build enough windmills to produce power.

build windmills in view of MY cape cod coast line????

GO FUCK YOURSELF HIPPIES.

[Goth Brooks]

NUCLEAR power could work right now... if the fucking tree hugging hippies and the far left would stop their adamant opposition to it.

fixed

we've had the solution to power problems under our nose for the last 60yrs.

btw, Gaf, there's another quote by Obama, heard it on Mark Levin's show.. he flat out says that power costs are going to skyrocket after he closes all the coal plants, and we'll just have to suck it up.

Greater good for the planet and all that.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

build windmills in view of MY cape cod coast line????

GO FUCK YOURSELF HIPPIES.

Someone knows what I am talking about?

I didn't peg you as someone that would listen to Mark Levin.

[Goth Brooks]

Someone knows what I am talking about?

I didn't peg you as someone that would listen to Mark Levin.

lol.. i wasn't being facetious though, i'm in full agreement with teddy boy. i'd be pissed if they tried building windmills off the cape.

[Rev.Reverence]

GB: be as offensive as you can be...your buddy McCain has manipulated Gaf & your ilk...

...you see..he has tricked you into thinking that he is on your side...

On one side of this debate, there are proposals to create a mandatory domestic program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as the amendment that will be proposed by Senator McCain, to my understanding, and I strongly urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/11/ohios-gop...ccain-will.html

John McCain launched the final attack of his campaign, a fraudulent assault on Barack Obama that serves as a fitting reminder of the fundamental dishonesty not only of his own campaign, but also of the dishonesty of his allies in the right-wing propaganda establishment: Matt Drudge and FOX News.

Here's the facts that the McCain-Drudge-FOX axis of weasel does not want you to know: The Chronicle had not concealed the recording, which had been on the newspaper's website all along. And rather than reveal some sinister scheme, what it actually demonstrated was that Barack Obama supported clean coal technology -- a position he shares with none other than John McCain.

But just three years ago on the floor of the United States Senate, John McCain's Republican colleague George Voinovich of Ohio took to the floor to argue against a proposal by McCain to curb greenhouse gas emissions. McCain's proposal, Voinovich said, would "put coal out of business" and cost thousands of jobs, an argument that McCain did not contest.

In fact, McCain agreed that his plan would require sacrifice, but he also argued (correctly) that in the long-run, America would be better off. In other words, he made the exact same arguments as Barack Obama -- and as you can see above, it was all on video.

It is my understanding that the amendment, according to Charles Rivers Associates, which analyzed its provisions, would cause the loss of 24,000 to 47,000 Ohio jobs, in 2010, and energy-intensive industries to shrink by 2.3 to 5.6 percent in 2020. We are talking about manufacturing industries, energy-intensive manufacturing and chemical and many others.

The McCain amendment will put coal out of business by forcing fuel switching to natural gas.

...It is quite clear now...John McCain wants to fuck us all...he does not want Obama to do it...well, Obama does seem to have nicer manners.

THANK YOU...THAT IS ALL.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

First off... John McCain does not own or operate the Drudge Report or the websites that ran this story.

Second... The original story had the Audio recording, but the negative sides of the plan were omitted from the transcript and interview in the story. Which is exactly what the story reported.

Third... John McCain's plan would cut some jobs in the coal industry, Obama's would cut them all.

Vote how you want. I just hope you can live with what you are doing to the country.

[Rev.Reverence]

First off... John McCain does not own or operate the Drudge Report or the websites that ran this story.

Second... The original story had the Audio recording, but the negative sides of the plan were omitted from the transcript and interview in the story. Which is exactly what the story reported.

Third... John McCain's plan would cut some jobs in the coal industry, Obama's would cut them all.

Vote how you want. I just hope you can live with what you are doing to the country.

Here's the facts that the McCain-Drudge-FOX axis of weasel does not want you to know: The Chronicle had not concealed the recording, which had been on the newspaper's website all along. And rather than reveal some sinister scheme, what it actually demonstrated was that Barack Obama supported clean coal technology -- a position he shares with none other than John McCain.

...I did not say that he wrote the report...& you know who I am voting for...but why do you ignore the above FACT?

..no one HID any tape...THAT WAS MY POINT.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Re-read teh article. No body claimed the tape was hidden.

[Rev.Reverence]

Re-read teh article. No body claimed the tape was hidden.

From the Article below...

``You should have known about this so you have better decision-making information in the voting booth,'' she said in Marietta, Ohio.

Now...where I come from...when you say "You should have known about this"...it is implying that you have found it...& that it was concealed.

Also...the peoples seem to disagree with you...plug:obama hidden tape: into your Google, & be AMAZED as the Right-wing-muck-raker-blog-o-nauts try to further brainwash each opther...

Obama and McCain Campaign in Swing States as Race Nears Close

By Ken Fireman

Enlarge Image/Details

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama and John McCain chased each other and the presidency across a brace of battleground states as the race for the White House entered its final 48 hours.

Democratic nominee Obama spent his day in Ohio, one of several typically Republican-leaning states that he has put in play. Republican candidate McCain was in Pennsylvania, hoping to wrest that state away from the Democrats with a late surge.

Obama, 47, once again sought to tie McCain to President George W. Bush, calling him a ``sidekick'' of the Republican incumbent.

``The last thing we can afford is four more years of the same old tired, stale, old economic theories,'' Obama said at a rally of 60,000 supporters in front of the state Capitol in Columbus. The Illinois senator planned an appearance later in the day in Cleveland with rock singer Bruce Springsteen and a nighttime rally in Cincinnati.

McCain, 72, said he would ``hold the line on taxes'' and cut government spending. And he urged supporters to ignore polls showing him trailing his opponent.

``Nothing is inevitable here,'' the Arizona senator said at a rally of about 2,000 people at the University of Scranton, his second event of the day in the state. ``We never give up. We never quit.''

Pennsylvania Challenge

McCain's emphasis on Pennsylvania -- which has voted Democratic in every presidential contest since 1988 -- reflected two realities. The first is that Obama is contesting a host of states won by Bush in 2000 and 2004, making it essential that McCain challenge Obama on Democratic turf.

The second is that several recent polls have shown a dwindling Obama lead in Pennsylvania. For example, a Muhlenberg College survey taken Oct. 28 through Nov. 1 showed Obama ahead by 7 percentage points; an Oct. 23-27 survey by the same pollster had Obama ahead by 12 percentage points.

``The most important state to watch right now is Pennsylvania,'' said McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, on the ``Fox News Sunday'' program.

While the two presidential candidates mostly repeated familiar arguments on the stump, McCain's running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, tried to open a new front.

Coal Industry

Palin, campaigning in southern Ohio, seized on a January recording of Obama telling the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper that his cap-and-trade energy proposal would ``bankrupt'' those building coal-fired power plants.

``You should have known about this so you have better decision-making information in the voting booth,'' she said in Marietta, Ohio.

``He's comfortable letting that happen,'' said Palin, pledging that she and McCain are committed to the coal industries in Ohio and neighboring West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

Obama favors curbing emissions that contribute to global climate change through a system of charging fees to those who emit such gases.

``So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted,'' Obama told the newspaper, according to a video of the interview posted on the Web site youtube.com.

In response, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland, an Obama supporter, called Palin's charge a ``last-minute, desperate distortion'' of Obama's record.

Coal-State Senator

``After John McCain said he'd like to `transition away from coal entirely,' his campaign is hardly in a position to criticize a coal-state senator like Barack Obama who has outlined a $150 billion investment in clean coal and other technologies to create jobs and build a new energy economy,'' Strickland said in a statement.

Much of the day's discussion, both on the campaign trail and television talk shows, centered on polls showing Obama poised for victory on Nov. 4. The Web site Real Clear Politics showed Obama leading by 6.4 percentage points nationally, according to an average of recent polls, and ahead in states with a total of 278 electoral votes, 8 more than needed for victory.

McCain and his aides and surrogates said the race was tightening and predicted a comeback victory.

``I know the momentum is there,'' McCain told 2,000 supporters in a high school gym in Wallingford, Pennsylvania. ``We're going to win this election. I know it.''

Davis said the election was ``moving very quickly'' in McCain's direction. ``We're in for a slam-bang finish,'' Davis said. ``John McCain may be the greatest closer politician of all time.''

Bush States

Obama aides David Axelrod and David Plouffe dismissed that argument and said McCain was being forced to defend a host of states Bush won in 2004 -- including Virgina, Colorado, Nevada and North Carolina -- that are now up for grabs.

Axelrod said on ABC's ``This Week'' show that prevailing in those states would be important both for winning the election and fulfilling Obama's goal to ``get past this red state-blue state kind of paradigm that we've been locked into.''

They also pointed to indications that early voting in states such as Ohio, North Carolina and Florida favored their candidate.

At the Columbus rally, Obama asked for a show of hands of those who had voted early, and most of the crowed indicated they had.

At the same time, Axelrod warned Obama supporters against any complacency. ``You've still got to vote, and that's our main message,'' he said.

Advertising Blitz

Both campaigns are spending for a blitz of advertising and get-out-the-vote efforts, with Obama putting ads on the air in Georgia and North Dakota as well in McCain's home state of Arizona. McCain's advisers said the candidate and the Republican Party would together outspend Obama on television over the last week of the campaign by about $10 million.

Tomorrow, the last full day of campaigning, Palin will appear in Ohio, Missouri, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada and Alaska. McCain will campaign in Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Indiana, New Mexico, Nevada and finish up in Prescott, Arizona, at the Yavapai County Courthouse, where he has opened and closed most of his political campaigns.

Obama will stump in Florida, North Carolina and Virginia, while Biden will campaign in Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

To contact the reporters responsible for this story: Ken Fireman in Washington at kfireman1@bloomberg.netEdwin Chen in Scranton, Pennsylvania at echen32@bloomberg.net; Julianna Goldman in Columbus, Ohio, at jgoldman6@bloomberg.net

[Rev.Reverence]

Re-read teh article. No body claimed the tape was hidden.

Wait...which article? The one YOU provided?

I saw her (Palin) talkin' shit last night about this...John Stuart had the clip...

[n0Mad]

Penn & Teller argue a good case in favor of nuclear power.

[Rev.Reverence]

Penn & Teller argue a good case in favor of nuclear power.

Is that show on the net like the Daily Show, & Colbert?

[n0Mad]

Is that show on the net like the Daily Show, & Colbert?

You might be able to find clips at Showtime.com, not sure. I know you can get some stuff on YouTube. I have all the seasons available on DVD so I haven't really needed to check.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Wait...which article? The one YOU provided?

I saw her (Palin) talkin' shit last night about this...John Stuart had the clip...

Like Stuart isn't biased and might not edit the clip.

People who get their news from Comedians should not be allowed to vote.

[phee]

Like Stuart isn't biased and might not edit the clip.

People who get their news from Comedians should not be allowed to vote.

I think every citizen should be able too

[Rev.Reverence]

Like Stuart isn't biased and might not edit the clip. ..& or duh...

People who get their news from Comedians should not be allowed to vote. TOUGH SHIT DUDE.

It was a clip that their show lifted from the mainstream news...that was just HER on a podium...saying stupid shit...like usual.

[n0Mad]

People who get their news from Comedians should not be allowed to vote.

Hey, I resemble that remark. Though I prefer Colbert over Stuart. The latter has just gotten too full of himself.

[phee]

Both have won Peabody awards...

And Fox News is pretty comedic when you watch it.... heh