Obama's Popularity is Bigger Than Jesus

[creatureofthenyte]

More popular then Jesus... hmmn

When did it become more important to be popular?

I guess being a COMPETANT LEADER Isn't a very popular goal these days.

If the economy totally collapses, and we become a 47th world country,

I wonder how Mr. Obama's popularity will fair then?

[Mizuna]

I am getting fedd up with people throwing around the words "capitalism" and "socialism." Why?

Because your damn Government has been about as much of a capitalist in its history as much s I have enjoyed listening to the Spice Girls the last 10+ years of my life. Guess what, the major companies, organisations and businesses are capitalists, your government isn't. In my honest opinion even calling a government capitalistic is a joke, Governments help their citizens (assuming your name is Robert Mugabe), but for their own citizens to say, "no do not help, even though that is why we voted for you," is not only insulting to their title but also insulting to their your intelligence. You say you don't want a socialist state? You think you want a capitalistic state? What you are seriously coming across as, to me, is wanting anarchy. A state that voluntarily gets along with eachother, guess what, it won't work and it isn't going to happen.

However, some of you, those who are against the surplus plan, are in my opinion correct. Not for the reasons you think you are, the reasons who think you are make you wrong, but it is still the right answer.

Fun fact, did you know the majority of the money in the economy does not actaully exsist pyhsically? Banks have been able to create money for generations, and this is where the problem came in. The only reason I know that the $10 bill in my wallet is real is because I can feel it, but when it is in the bank is it really real? When my money is leant to others, and the money they spend then rotates back into the bank and is lent again, how much really is in the bank? If you put $1000 dollars into your bank account, that money is then lent to someone else, or atleast 90% of it will be due to most banks are required to hold around 10% of their actual deposited money; sad thing is that money comes back and 90% of that $900 is relent out. So $1000 became $1900, but it goes for a lot longer than that, and the figures grow, very fastly too mind you. That is why the stimulas package is wrong, because it will only lead to money that does not exsit being spread around the world again. Don't think thats right? Well think of this, $1 billion will turn into $1.9 billion dollars once it is lent out, looks big enough now to be important to me.

The key simplistic reason why the bail out plan should not be under taken is very simple. THAT IS NOT HOW BUSINESS WORKS! Guess what, business fails, ALOT! Just because youarea major corporation does no mean you should have immunity. Corporations such as the Lehman Brothers and its collapse, yeah a lot of people lost money, but do you think that money dissappeared? No, someone also got very rich off it to, weak businesses fail, strong ones proceed. The problem with this is it might be off shore that the money has been lost too, or that it is so spread out around the populas that it isn't identifiable, but at the end of the day, it is still there.

All people need to do is reinvest into the economy with the money they have, I am no saying people should be stupid, but the media has freaked out a lot of people, who aren't even in threat of anything. 1:5 New Zealanders think they will be unemployed within the next 2 years, worst case scenario figures show a maximum of 7% being unemployed, in my opinion a perfect example.

The only reason why the bailout plan, in my opinion, is even being considered is this; people are so damn scared of a recession that they refuse to invest their money, because of this, they are causing a recession. So the bailout plan will do this, force your hard earned dollar to be invested into the economy, but since you refused to do it willingly, you won't profit from it in any sense. Good quote on giving but also works in this case, "And what is fear of need but need itself? Is not dread of thirst when your well is full, the thirst that is unquenchable?"

I doubt anyone will be able to follow that reasoning, but I am so pissed off with the minimal knowledge people have on how the markets work. They hear bailout plan and pin up socialism with it, ultimatly, its one of the first moves the American Government has done in a long time to be purely capitalistic, money going to the corporations not to the people.

[TitsMcGee]

I am getting fedd up with people throwing around the words "capitalism" and "socialism." Why?

Because your damn Government has been about as much of a capitalist in its history as much s I have enjoyed listening to the Spice Girls the last 10+ years of my life. Guess what, the major companies, organisations and businesses are capitalists, your government isn't. In my honest opinion even calling a government capitalistic is a joke, Governments help their citizens (assuming your name is Robert Mugabe), but for their own citizens to say, "no do not help, even though that is why we voted for you," is not only insulting to their title but also insulting to their your intelligence. You say you don't want a socialist state? You think you want a capitalistic state? What you are seriously coming across as, to me, is wanting anarchy. A state that voluntarily gets along with eachother, guess what, it won't work and it isn't going to happen.

However, some of you, those who are against the surplus plan, are in my opinion correct. Not for the reasons you think you are, the reasons who think you are make you wrong, but it is still the right answer.

Fun fact, did you know the majority of the money in the economy does not actaully exsist pyhsically? Banks have been able to create money for generations, and this is where the problem came in. The only reason I know that the $10 bill in my wallet is real is because I can feel it, but when it is in the bank is it really real? When my money is leant to others, and the money they spend then rotates back into the bank and is lent again, how much really is in the bank? If you put $1000 dollars into your bank account, that money is then lent to someone else, or atleast 90% of it will be due to most banks are required to hold around 10% of their actual deposited money; sad thing is that money comes back and 90% of that $900 is relent out. So $1000 became $1900, but it goes for a lot longer than that, and the figures grow, very fastly too mind you. That is why the stimulas package is wrong, because it will only lead to money that does not exsit being spread around the world again. Don't think thats right? Well think of this, $1 billion will turn into $1.9 billion dollars once it is lent out, looks big enough now to be important to me.

The key simplistic reason why the bail out plan should not be under taken is very simple. THAT IS NOT HOW BUSINESS WORKS! Guess what, business fails, ALOT! Just because youarea major corporation does no mean you should have immunity. Corporations such as the Lehman Brothers and its collapse, yeah a lot of people lost money, but do you think that money dissappeared? No, someone also got very rich off it to, weak businesses fail, strong ones proceed. The problem with this is it might be off shore that the money has been lost too, or that it is so spread out around the populas that it isn't identifiable, but at the end of the day, it is still there.

All people need to do is reinvest into the economy with the money they have, I am no saying people should be stupid, but the media has freaked out a lot of people, who aren't even in threat of anything. 1:5 New Zealanders think they will be unemployed within the next 2 years, worst case scenario figures show a maximum of 7% being unemployed, in my opinion a perfect example.

The only reason why the bailout plan, in my opinion, is even being considered is this; people are so damn scared of a recession that they refuse to invest their money, because of this, they are causing a recession. So the bailout plan will do this, force your hard earned dollar to be invested into the economy, but since you refused to do it willingly, you won't profit from it in any sense. Good quote on giving but also works in this case, "And what is fear of need but need itself? Is not dread of thirst when your well is full, the thirst that is unquenchable?"

I doubt anyone will be able to follow that reasoning, but I am so pissed off with the minimal knowledge people have on how the markets work. They hear bailout plan and pin up socialism with it, ultimatly, its one of the first moves the American Government has done in a long time to be purely capitalistic, money going to the corporations not to the people.

Frankly I agree with most of you opinions. I would just like to point out that I think President Obama is a socialist is because of his wanting government run health care. Now I believe everyone should have access to affordable health care, seeing as the meds I'm on cost more that $500 a month without insurance, but I don't think that it being government run would be the best idea.

[creatureofthenyte]

ultimatly, its one of the first moves the American Government has done in a long time to be purely capitalistic, money going to the corporations not to the people.

There in lies the problem right there.

Obama wants to take trillions of dollars of Our money, and give it to the corporations instead of US.

But being more popular then Jesus, is evidently more important then being a good president.

[The evil fish]

To be honest I was more concerned with all the other slip ups in speech she did. http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpa...a/palinisms.htm proving the old saying "a closed mouth gathers no foot".

Fine maybe she did know how to handle the economic/energy crisis. However I don't think she was ever equipped to do anything else. The reason many voted for Obama was that they were scared if McCain died she would be president.

"Economic/energy crisis" seems to be the top issues of the day - I don't see how she couldn't be "equipped" she dealt with both in Alaska and did well.... and people there aren't paying for it like we will... they're getting paid for it. As for speech slips and so forth - well lets see any of us get up there and run for the most important job of the country (some say the world) and see who doesn't slip! I will be the first to admit that I'd make a lot of slips - good god - I have to spell check the word spell! lol

Let me tell you something - dem or rep - if Obama had the right answers... the right solutions... I'd be behind him 100% but he doesn't - he didn't during the election and it just boggles me how this guy can become President. I have my ideas and if I'm right - we really are in deep trouble.

I keep thinking about that video and I can't see with idiots like that how we are ever going to recover.

[The evil fish]

More popular then Jesus... hmmn

When did it become more important to be popular?

I guess being a COMPETANT LEADER Isn't a very popular goal these days.

If the economy totally collapses, and we become a 47th world country,

I wonder how Mr. Obama's popularity will fair then?

Amen

[The evil fish]

There in lies the problem right there.

Obama wants to take trillions of dollars of Our money, and give it to the corporations instead of US.

But being more popular then Jesus, is evidently more important then being a good president.

Amen

[The evil fish]

Frankly I agree with most of you opinions. I would just like to point out that I think President Obama is a socialist is because of his wanting government run health care. Now I believe everyone should have access to affordable health care, seeing as the meds I'm on cost more that $500 a month without insurance, but I don't think that it being government run would be the best idea.

If you want to know what Government heath care will be like - go into a VA hospital and check it out - you will be glad you have that opinion - trust me.

[The evil fish]

Governments help their citizens (assuming your name is Robert Mugabe), but for their own citizens to say, "no do not help, even though that is why we voted for you," is not only insulting to their title but also insulting to their your intelligence. You say you don't want a socialist state? You think you want a capitalistic state? What you are seriously coming across as, to me, is wanting anarchy. A state that voluntarily gets along with eachother, guess what, it won't work and it isn't going to happen.

I'm sorry but you need to go read our Constitution, know our history and how our Government was set up to be before you state this opinion and deem it the correct one. Don't get me wrong ... I agree with SOME of what you said but.... our Government isn't here to help us, give us or take care of us. It is here to bind us legislative and judicially. To be an American is to be someone that knows if they work hard, they can be what ever they want to be.... now a lot of us use excuses as to "why they can't" because of "where they live" or "how they were raised" but this is what it is - an excuse. Our Government shouldn't be bailing out companies or people, it should have put a stop to the credit frenzy going on for the last 20 years and not allowing companies and financial institutes to give people loans they couldn't pay for.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I am getting fedd up with people throwing around the words "capitalism" and "socialism." Why?

See my post above. Though your post is well thought out and right on a few points, you are still somehow equating Capitalism with a form of government.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I'm sorry but you need to go read our Constitution, know our history and how our Government was set up to be before you state this opinion and deem it the correct one. Don't get me wrong ... I agree with SOME of what you said but.... our Government isn't here to help us, give us or take care of us. It is here to bind us legislative and judicially. To be an American is to be someone that knows if they work hard, they can be what ever they want to be.... now a lot of us use excuses as to "why they can't" because of "where they live" or "how they were raised" but this is what it is - an excuse. Our Government shouldn't be bailing out companies or people, it should have put a stop to the credit frenzy going on for the last 20 years and not allowing companies and financial institutes to give people loans they couldn't pay for.

Amen Brother!

[The evil fish]

There in lies the problem right there.

Obama wants to take trillions of dollars of Our money, and give it to the corporations instead of US.

But being more popular then Jesus, is evidently more important then being a good president.

BTW - not too mention people who don't even pay taxes.

[The evil fish]

Amen Brother!

Thank you :-)

[Mizuna]

I'm sorry but you need to go read our Constitution, know our history and how our Government was set up to be before you state this opinion and deem it the correct one. Don't get me wrong ... I agree with SOME of what you said but.... our Government isn't here to help us, give us or take care of us. It is here to bind us legislative and judicially. To be an American is to be someone that knows if they work hard, they can be what ever they want to be.... now a lot of us use excuses as to "why they can't" because of "where they live" or "how they were raised" but this is what it is - an excuse. Our Government shouldn't be bailing out companies or people, it should have put a stop to the credit frenzy going on for the last 20 years and not allowing companies and financial institutes to give people loans they couldn't pay for.

It doesn't really matter what the American constitution says if for the majority of the time it has been ignored. Yes they put a stop to such laws that are not constitutional but when people are able to change it due to their religious beliefs, aka. the inclusion of god, it is not important to me, because your constitution appears to be a piece of paper to call on in times of own personal strife but by no means the foundations of ethical and moral behaviour of people within America.

I suppose you could say your government isn't there for you, but where I grew up, what I was taught was that the government is a servent of the state, and the state is a servent of the people. So long as there are police and military that is funded by the government they are serving you, so long as education and health care is paid for regardless of if it is insufficent they are there to serve you. Just because you may not personally take advantages of the benefits supplied by the government does not mean they are not serving the people.

If that is what an American is, then well, either a lot of people in America do not wish much for life or there isn't many American's and a lot of them are living in other countries.

For the last part, as I said, they should stop allowing banks to create money.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Life is too easy for many of us, thus we become professional whiners. My life has a lot of negatives I could bitch about, but taken as a whole, life in the west is GRAVY, compared to previous ages and many other cultures. Lack of perspective permeates modern life. (It probably was widespread every previous generation too, so I guess that shouldn't be too shocking)

In terms of the U.S Government formation, and history i HAVE done my homework. I don't claim to know everything, in fact I'm pretty sure i don't know jack shit, but i know slightly MORE jack-shit than at least a few others, I hope. The black helicopter and evil overlord conspiracy theorists can go ahead and pontificate their ideology but its incorrect. There ARE dark forces out there, but they are few and far between in comparison to what seems to be the common "feeling".

Marshall Mcluhan was right, The Medium Is The Message. TV , Books, News all thrive on negativity and bombast, thus skewing our peceptions. Sure there are bad guys out there, but not in the legions that the cynics see in every woodpile or power structure. Good people actually do exist in government, and were involved in the formation of governments.

When did it become more important to be popular?

Since the first social animal tried to form the first social bond. Human civilization largely exists due to the concept of popularity. Even in the most authoritarian governments you have to be popular (with certain segments) to function. Democratic government cannot function without the concept. I definitely don't feel that "popularity = accuracy" but the concept of popularity is just as self-evident as life and death.

I'm guessing you were getting at a different point than what I'm responding to.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

In terms of Obama's popularity its a common trend one month into a new presidency.

Here for more info on the new regime phenomenon:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116026/Assessin...Month-Mark.aspx

Nothing particularly spectacular even in a "normal" regime change. Defiantly nothing special after a particularly "bad patch" and then some new face filling in the top slot. If the numbers went back further it would be even more evident. Just takes historical perspective. We tend not to see the Forrest due to all the trees.

Obviously its all more complicated than a few paragraphs can cover but I'm trying to cut down on my novellas.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

by no means the foundations of ethical and moral behavior of people within America.

Our constitution was never meant to be the foundation of a Moral system. Nor was it designed to educate or police it's citizens. The Federal government having involvement in education and police were latter ad-ons and many people want them to go away.

As to the inclusion of God, the Constitution does not establish a seperation of Church and State. There is actually only one country in the world that has an official seperation and thats France. The seperation here was established later via various laws and court cases.

You really should not try to compare the government of the United States with the government of New Zealand. New Zealand is a pseudo-Socialist country. At best New Zealand should be used as an example of what Socialism does to an economy. Disaster comes to mind. Collapse of private enterprise does too, along with monetary exodus. it's a fine example of what not to do.

[Rev.Reverence]

Since the first social animal tried to form the first social bond. Human civilization largely exists due to the concept of popularity. Even in the most authoritarian governments you have to be popular (with certain segments) to function. Democratic government cannot function without the concept. I definitely don't feel that "popularity = accuracy" but the concept of popularity is just as self-evident as life and death.

..this is TO true....when we as a Race evolve past the popularity contest...a 4-eyed-geek can finally run things & use their SUPER-BRAIN to fix this shit so that we can seed the stars...dudes...we ARE seriously going to run out of room & things to burn...really...we will...maybe not soon...but soon after that.

[Rev.Reverence]

It doesn't really matter what the American constitution says if for the majority of the time it has been ignored. Yes they put a stop to such laws that are not constitutional but when people are able to change it due to their religious beliefs, aka. the inclusion of god, it is not important to me, because your constitution appears to be a piece of paper to call on in times of own personal strife but by no means the foundations of ethical and moral behaviour of people within America.

I suppose you could say your government isn't there for you, but where I grew up, what I was taught was that the government is a servent of the state, and the state is a servent of the people. So long as there are police and military that is funded by the government they are serving you, so long as education and health care is paid for regardless of if it is insufficent they are there to serve you. Just because you may not personally take advantages of the benefits supplied by the government does not mean they are not serving the people.

If that is what an American is, then well, either a lot of people in America do not wish much for life or there isn't many American's and a lot of them are living in other countries.

For the last part, as I said, they should stop allowing banks to create money.

Everybody wants the protection...but few uphold the Spirit of the Document.

...or at least slowed down

[creatureofthenyte]

Since the first social animal tried to form the first social bond. Human civilization largely exists due to the concept of popularity. Even in the most authoritarian governments you have to be popular (with certain segments) to function. Democratic government cannot function without the concept. I definitely don't feel that "popularity = accuracy" but the concept of popularity is just as self-evident as life and death.

I'm guessing you were getting at a different point than what I'm responding to.

Troy, what I was getting at is, that from what I see and hear these days, it seems that Mr. Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of the mainstream media.

He wants do things that are harmful to our country and yet people think he's sooo great and I just do not understand it.

People don't seem to yet realize he is trying to damage life as we know it in this country, all they seem to notice is: hey he looks good and is a likeable guy, but has no qualifications beyond that, and alot people in the country today, thanks to mainstream media, willingly overlook that fact.

A neat haircut and clean suit should not be the measuring stick of a good leader.

[The evil fish]

Too much said to quote - I'll just tell you where I stand and you be the judge.

I'm a Southerner by birth and mentality. One of those who is glad that the country stayed together after the war between the states but also understands the TRUE reason it happened in the first place and sad of changes to the Constitution because of the final out come.

I am a very big history buff and watch politics like a hawk. I wanted to run for office and still might later in life. I am one of those who still believe in the American way and what this Country is suppose to be all about.

I joined the Military after a long line of Fathers and Grandfathers who served and fought for this country from the Civil War on. I joined to serve my country - not to gain college money and health benefits. I am a Constitutionalists and believe in it in it's original form.

The federal government was never put in place to be the "one power" over the states.... the states were meant to be the power and the government was suppose to be the binding agent but because of the Civil War, this all changed and the Federal Government became the "one power". That's how we ended up with the "one military" instead of state militias. (Which were our military up until the end of the war) This was the pivotal point in the downfall of our constitution.

As for the present day government.... it shouldn't be a part of our day to day lives and shouldn't be involved in 70% of what it is involved in when it comes to the American people. So far the government has put forth programs that have made Americans lazy, instill racism, prejudice, and corrupted our educational system. The government along with the media has single handedly "changed" our history in to a PC correct one that never existed. Our government has trained people to feel they are entitled to hand outs and a free ride and that because of their situation, they can't do any better. Bullshit - I did it.

It has taught people to feel sorry for themselves and for some to feel bad about things they shouldn't feel bad about. It has made people feel bad about things they had nothing to do with - things that happened 200 years ago.... why should I feel bad about that? I wasn't even born. NOW - certain parts of government and the media are trying to make us feel bad for being mad about illegal aliens driving wages down, using tax dollars for health care and simply being here.... that is wrong. I have no problem with immigrants - coming here LEGALLY. I could care less if American was one third or even half Latin American - as long as they are legal Latin Americans. And the list goes on... and on.

So now... you have this Obama guy that says "we can't handle 4 more years of the same" yet what he offers is 4 more years of the same shit that's been going on for 50 years now. Wanting to get more involved in our lives, wanting to push more social programs that eat our money during an ECONOMIC CRISIS!! He want's to take taxes from people who pay them and hand them out to people that don't.... more hand outs... just what we need.... lets erase the American way and dream and replace it with a mob with their hands out wanting more! This is not what our Constitution was written for, it isn't what our forefathers intended and I'll be damn... like others... if I fall for it.

I was raised by parents and grandparents that taught me that you are who you make your self to be... you are in charge of your life and you can be what you want if you work for it. I left home at 18 years old, failed... didn't move back and lived in a the back seat of my friends 69 Bonneville for 2 to 3 months. Found a job, walked 3 miles down the road to a truck stop to take a shower and shave and then walked another 2 miles to work EVERY DAY until I had enough money to get an apartment and then eventually a shitty car. No one ever handed me a job - I worked for it. I wasn't on some social program. I did it my self.... now I have a new car, a job, a house, a beautiful wife and 4 sons. A band (Business) that is doing well and to this day still got no hand outs and I haven't even used the college money that is there for me from the military.... I did all of this ON MY OWN! Sometimes, times are hard and the electricity gets turned off or I have no money for a week or two.... so I do with out.... I pick my self up and I make it better.... again... on my own.

Now - I don't look down on anyone. I don't look down on people taking the hand outs. It's not their fault they got brainwashed by the media to think its ok to sit around and wait for the hand out but..... I'm so sick and tired of the excuses most make as too why they are sitting there in the first place. I'm tired of the people who use the hand outs to buy expensive things and not use it to better themselves. I mean if you're having trouble paying your gas bill or feeding your kids..... do you think its a good idea to buy a pair of $200.00 tennis shoes? Not only that but $200.00 tennis shoes for a 2 year old? LOL This is just an echo of our governments misplaced spending.

I'm generally a centralist when it comes to parties... I want whats good for the country as a whole - not whats good for a certain circle of people. (In my mind, whats good for the country eventually makes good for the people) But - I'm sorry.. to me the Democratic party has done nothing in my eyes but spend more money on shit - put in place social programs that don't work and put a virus in the machine that slowly erases what this country was built on. They are the party that started the mortgage problem and they "say" they have what it takes to fix it... the only thing I've seen from this party in the last two months (and during the campaign) is solutions that will only screw it up more. Morons like to place the blame on Bush when they are too blind to see this started way before Bush was in - even his Father. The parties aren't the problem - it's the out of touch government and the moronic brainwashed people that fall for it. Spending doesn't fix spending.

So with that said, fire away! Tell me I'm an idiot, call me names but I've lived this and have proven we don't need all of this meddling around with our lives. I've risen from a bum to a good life on my own without Government and social program intervention and I DON'T NEED anyone telling me what I need. This is what I believe - what I have fought for and maybe have to die for.... I don't want my 4 sons asking for hand outs - I want them to be strong and make themselves into what they want to be.

[The evil fish]

Troy, what I was getting at is, that from what I see and hear these days, it seems that Mr. Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of the mainstream media.

He wants do things that are harmful to our country and yet people think he's sooo great and I just do not understand it.

People don't seem to yet realize he is trying to damage life as we know it in this country, all they seem to notice is: hey he looks good and is a likeable guy, but has no qualifications beyond that, and alot people in the country today, thanks to mainstream media, willingly overlook that fact.

A neat haircut and clean suit should not be the measuring stick of a good leader.

Agreed and more to add... people say "I didn't want to think that Palin could become the President if McCain died" well she has more qualifications to run the country than Obama ever did - and it is right there for everyone to see. Hell I think she would have done better than McCain because she had already done it on a smaller scale and she is younger and has a younger view of things.... fresher ideas.

Can anyone list anything Obama did? One thing? Besides getting his competition kicked off the ballot and being implicated in shady real estate and political dealings in the state of Illinois? He looks good sure, he speaks a semi good game but there is nothing else..... and somehow he added 7 more states to the Country in a single bound. Is it because he is "black" and is more "in touch" with real Americans? Well - if you look at his history - I'm surprised he can even spell American and if he can - it's about the only real tie he has to US. He's never lived a "black mans" life and never lived the life of US.

I think what creatureofthenyte is saying is popularity is more important than the issues and solutions to the American People now - I mean just watch TMZ - it is very apparent - hell... during the elections in Iraq - CNN decided to cover the Micheal Jackson trial - that should tell you something.

[phee]

It actually was not Palins qualifications that I was scared of.... it was her position on things+

[The evil fish]

It actually was not Palins qualifications that I was scared of.... it was her position on things+

Well sure - and that means a lot to some. We all are going to have different takes on the positions candidates have. Personally I didn't have a problem with most of hers. But instead of shouting insults to those that have a different opinion than mine... I try to keep an open mind and respect others.

[phee]

I personally think that differing views and voting based on that is a healthy way to run an election.