Ok lets start another war

[Tacohitts]

Sounds like our unfit government wants to get into it with N Korea.like Iraq and Afghanistan isn't enough strain on our military.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pentagon_nkorea

But we are the "worlds police"

[Scary Guy]

Our military isn't strained. The terrorist states spend 5 billion collectively on their armed forces while we spend 515.4 billion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budg...e_United_States

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I'm confused.

North Korea states that it has abandoned the armistice, threatens to attack any of our ships that it sees, fires missiles over Japan and detonates a Nuclear bomb... how does that somehow translate into the USA trying to start a new war?

as a side note, if a war did break out with them we would have Russia and China on our side this time. Russia even hinted they would use nukes.

Edited May 29, 2009 by Gaf The Horse With Tears

[Rev.Reverence]

...it's like he's a fuckin' prophet!

*does the pogo*

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OMG, thats my fav DK song!

[creatureofthenyte]

We're not starting another war.

It's just that the world can't afford to have some looney tune wacko runnin around with an itchy trigger finger and a nuke button close by.

[Rev.Reverence]

OMG, thats my fav DK song!

..told ya' we had a WHOLE LOT in common...

SO, (your post appeared as I was posting) am I correct to presume that Korea is not even a NEW war?

LIKE, it never ended right? Just an armistice or a truce...which now broken...kinda' calls us on our HONOR to jump over there...yes???

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

..told ya' we had a WHOLE LOT in common...

SO, (your post appeared as I was posting) am I correct to presume that Korea is not even a NEW war?

LIKE, it never ended right? Just an armistice or a truce...which now broken...kinda' calls us on our HONOR to jump over there...yes???

Correct. We have actually been at war with N. Korea since the early 50s. We don't have to jump in, but if we do, Obama does nothave to ask congress or the UN for permission.

Actually, we are not at war... North and South Korea are and we have a mandate from the UN to try to keep a peace between them and fight on behalf of South Korea... we also have treatys with S. Korea that we will come to thier aid.

[Rev.Reverence]

Correct. We have actually been at war with N. Korea since the early 50s. We don't have to jump in, but if we do, Obama does nothave to ask congress or the UN for permission.

Actually, we are not at war... North and South Korea are and we have a mandate from the UN to try to keep a peace between them and fight on behalf of South Korea... we also have treatys with S. Korea that we will come to thier aid.

Right...so then it IS a question of Honor-ing the agreement with the UN & S.Korea. WOW...they REALLY had this one on the back burner...

*wonders what 'Hawkeye Pierce' would say*

[Slogo]

North Korea has a strong military.

I doubt it's strong enough to defeat America, China, Russia, South Korea and Japan

[Rev.Reverence]

North Korea has a strong military.

I doubt it's strong enough to defeat America, China, Russia, South Korea and Japan

Yeah, almost don't seem fair...but how will the number of troops from what countries be decided? & who will be in charge...do we give Kim the Hitler treatment right off? shit...war is to much to deal with...I'm gonna' go buy a Darth Vader piniata~ now...

[Scary Guy]

Correct. We have actually been at war with N. Korea since the early 50s. We don't have to jump in, but if we do, Obama does nothave to ask congress or the UN for permission.

Actually, we are not at war... North and South Korea are and we have a mandate from the UN to try to keep a peace between them and fight on behalf of South Korea... we also have treatys with S. Korea that we will come to thier aid.

Well he wouldn't have to if it was a "military action", or did they fix that after Bush?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Technially, Bush was acting under the declared war on 1991. Thats why the UN lacked any teeth to do anything about him invading Iraq.

[prick]

Looks like its time to go back and settle this buisness. this time N. Korea doesnt have China back up.

[Scary Guy]

Technially, Bush was acting under the declared war on 1991. Thats why the UN lacked any teeth to do anything about him invading Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization...olution_of_1991

Not a direct declaration of war, just an authorization of force. If it was a declaration of war, it would have said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_o...e_United_States

Although the information seems to be a bit out of date because I thought we formerly declared war recently... I could be mistaken.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OK, let me clarify my statement. Bush was acting under the authority of the authorization to use military force from 1991, the many UN resuolutions that came before and after that time period from that authorized the US to use military force and the Cease fire agreement that Saddam broke many many times.

It's wiki. I'm surprised you trust it at all.

[StormKnight (1)]

I try to cross reference it with other sources as much as I can. So far, most of the medical and scientific pages I encountered have matched books and trusted reference sources (mdconsult, National Library of Medicine, etc,) have been spot on. For politics and social sciences, I have to try and get more than wiki.

Saw that China is considering joining in on the sanctions with the rest of the countries in the area and the US.

Edited May 30, 2009 by StormKnight

[Scary Guy]

OK, let me clarify my statement. Bush was acting under the authority of the authorization to use military force from 1991, the many UN resuolutions that came before and after that time period from that authorized the US to use military force and the Cease fire agreement that Saddam broke many many times.

It's wiki. I'm surprised you trust it at all.

Wiki is a good source of information if it's maintained and checked by everyone (because there are lots who would love to fill it with disinformation).

Also just because they authorized it in 1991 doesn't (or shouldn't) mean that a decade later it's still good. There should be time limits put on these things with options to renew them when put under review.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Also just because they authorized it in 1991 doesn't (or shouldn't) mean that a decade later it's still good. There should be time limits put on these things with options to renew them when put under review.

I agree with you, at least in spirit but Laws are funny things. They don't have experation dates. Saddam signed a Cease fire agreement. He broke it. That gave the others involved the legal authority to go back to war. Our Congress voted to go back to war. The UN did not. There were those at the UN that tried to bring action against Bush and the US. It never went far because this "illegal" war is in fact Legal.

But thats far off topic here... or at least it seems.

North Korea thinks it has the same kind of case.