Phees "Deep Questions"

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you can state a current belief, which is subjecxt to modification upon further education & research, can't you!?!? :laughing

[phee]

you can state a current belief, which is subjecxt to modification upon further education & research, can't you!?!?  :laughing 

Is that possible? I see it so rarely...

[torn asunder]

quit avoiding the damn question!! :laughing

[phee]

am I?

[torn asunder]

so, apparently, the only thing related to phee that has any depth, is his questions!?

[phee]

is it?

[torn asunder]

fuck this, i give up... :doh :whistling

[phee]

OK... honostly I think that space both there and not there... I think that things can exist and not exist at the same time, hence some quantum mechanics involved...

[Jarodaka]

OK... honostly I think that space both there and not there... I think that things can exist and not exist at the same time, hence some quantum mechanics involved...

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It's kind of my M.O. in these discussions, but existing and not existing simultaneously is another contradiction. That is my main issue with much of quantum physics, they proclaim that reality can contradict itself. I should profess my complete lack of understanding and familiarity of quantum mechanics, though. If this conversation becomes remotely technical, I'll have to cede the point.

Phee, or anybody, can you recommend some good books on quantum mechanics?

[phee]

The Fabric of the Cosmos by Greene

[torn asunder]

one really good book that ties physics/quantum theory with eastern philosophies is "the tao of physics" - i don't remember the author at the mo'...

[phee]

You convinced me to answer... you must be persuasive

[paradox]

this is like trying to contemplate infinity...

[phee]

this is like trying to contemplate infinity...

I think it is exactly that

[torn asunder]

nah - infinity is the easiest thing to grasp...

i have a question tho - if infinity is definitively defined as encompassing/containing/being everything, does that make it finite, since it's definable, and if so, can it still be infinite, and if not, what is it then!?!? :blink

[paradox]

see? exactly. what is ther beyond infinity?

but infinity has no end.

so it must not have a beginning.

so where are we now?

i think this is what happend to lovecraft.... :fear

colors out of space... :fear

the hounds of tindalos :fear

non-euclidean beings... :fear

its all about space

[The_Dark]

A good book....

Taking the Quantum Leap, The New Physics for Non-Scientists by Fred Alam Wolf

Very good read that covers the basics of quantum physics in as small a words as can be used.

To get a bit more into it it. Space is everything and nothing. It's like a Swiss army knife of measurments. Everything takes up a finite amount of space. Space itself is Infinite. Space isn't so much a thing as a concept. It's a concept so simple that it's complex. Everyone understands what space is, but noone can really describe it. We just don't have words that are either small enough or large enough to fully describe it. The reason being, we dont need to. An Example....

This book takes up this much space. (hold out hands some inches apart)

You fully understood what I meant, but finding just the right words to describe that space is hard. WE could get into measurements.. height, width, depth.. describe a three dimensional volume. We still only used more complex words to describe the same thing that simple words described just as well.

Here is my best description of Space...

An Infinite amount of the finite.

[paradox]

what about other dimensions?

[The_Dark]

Other dimensions are outside of the "Space" we live in. We are aware of 4 dimensions. Physics say there are more, but I doubt we will ever be able to experiance them. We just are not built for it physically or mentally. We understand the math that proves they exist, but we cant "wrap our minds around them".

Lets delve a bit deeper into Time and Space....

Space is just an abstract of three of the dimensions put together...

Time is nothing more than a precise measurement of the length, depth or width of a certian space.

btw... 70% of the Universe's mass is unaccounted for. Much is speculated to be "dark matter". We don't know a lot about dark matter other than it has mass, it's outside the Universal gravitational constant and it gives off no radiation that we can "see". It amounts to areas of space that for all intensive purposes is occupied by something that we can not see or measure.

[phee]

Other dimensions are outside of the "Space" we live in. We are aware of 4 dimensions. Physics say there are more, but I doubt we will ever be able to experiance them. We just are not built for it physically or mentally. We understand the math that proves they exist, but we cant "wrap our minds around them".

Lets delve a bit deeper into Time and Space....

Space is just an abstract of three of the dimensions put together...

Time is nothing more than a precise measurement of the length, depth or width of a certian space.

btw... 70% of the Universe's mass is unaccounted for. Much is speculated to be "dark matter". We don't know a lot about dark matter other than it has mass, it's outside the Universal gravitational constant and it gives off no radiation that we can "see". It amounts to areas of space that for all intensive purposes is occupied by something that we can not see or measure.

"dark matter" :cheerful sorry bad pun

According to Quantum Physics there are actually 9-10 spacial dimensions.... I have no idea what that means but it does sound interesting

[The_Dark]

Actually, standard physics models put the dimensions at 4 with a possible 5th. A few years ago a new model was put forth with great fanfare that proposes 8 dimensions. Accoding to that model, everything is music. His math is still being checked, but it looks like he might be right.

[phee]

Actually, standard physics models put the dimensions at 4 with a possible 5th. A few years ago a new model was put forth with great fanfare that proposes 8 dimensions. Accoding to that model, everything is music. His math is still being checked, but it looks like he might be right.

Interesting....

OK here is another question....

Can you define "time" without using the word "time"?

[The_Dark]

yes

[phee]

Interesting....

OK here is another question....

Can you define "time" without using the word "time"?

Let me rephrase

What is your definition for "time" as defined without using the word "time"?

[torn asunder]

Actually, standard physics models put the dimensions at 4 with a possible 5th. A few years ago a new model was put forth with great fanfare that proposes 8 dimensions. Accoding to that model, everything is music. His math is still being checked, but it looks like he might be right.

there's a book called "hyperspace" by michio kaku, that (i believe) proposes 10 dimensions - 4 in this "universe" and 6 in an alternate, which has contracted below a singularity. the theory, as i remember, is that when this universe had its "big bang" the other shrank in the opposite direction, and when this one "crunches" they will basically change sides, sort of a yoyo effect...