Phees "Deep Questions"

[torn asunder]

Actually, standard physics models put the dimensions at 4 with a possible 5th. A few years ago a new model was put forth with great fanfare that proposes 8 dimensions. Accoding to that model, everything is music. His math is still being checked, but it looks like he might be right.

also, the "musical" theory fits very well with superstring theory, which basically states that all matter is composed of 2D "strings", which vibrate at various frequencies, and the ones that vibrate in unison attract each other, and that's how "matter" is formed - cohesion of like vibrations...

[The_Dark]

Time is a measurement of linear movement or non-movement within the spatial continuum.

[phee]

Time is a measurement of linear movement or non-movement within the spatial continuum.

Good one!

I would define it as a growth in the over all entropy in the universe as a system... or something like that.

[Fierce Critter]

BLEARGH!

[paradox]

ah yes. now i get it! :laughing

when i contemplate infinity, my head hurts.

[phee]

Glad to help

[paradox]

on other dimensions (again). i believe the word 'universe' is, in and of itself, rather limiting in this repect, as it assumes, by strict definition, the 'oneness of all creation', there by disallowing other dimensions.

also, if space truely is infinite, how is it possible that ther is 'more' of it?

2 infinite spaces that are linked at points? (assuming interdimensional travel, or at least awareness).

does this not, in effect, link the 2 into 1 even more infinite space?

can you expand on infinity?

and it again raises the question of what is beyond infinity? thinking too deeply on it makes me feel like becoming a raving lunatic.

[The_Dark]

Multi dimentions are easy to understand. Everything in this Universe vibrates. EVERYTHING. Vibrations with in sub-vibrations within sub-vibrations...

Deep in there is a single note. Everything shares it. Tjhe Pine note for this universe.

Ok, another universe, within a different dimension is vibrating on a different prime note. We co-exist, for the most part in harmony without every knwoing the other is there. Now, at times, when things are just right.. One wave length touches another... ruining the harmony in that spot... Noise is created that leaks into both notes or more to the point tears, a hole in reality. Cross over happens.

[paradox]

assuming everything is music, of course.

(i rather like that thought though)

[The_Dark]

Actually, even in the standard physics model... everything vibrates on an atomic level.

[Guest Game of Chance]

Have you seen What the Bleep Do We Know?

They interview a lot of quantum physicists...and talk about the universe...you might like it

[phee]

Have you seen What the Bleep Do We Know?

They interview a lot of quantum physicists...and talk about the universe...you might like it

Yes I have... good film, a little preachy but good.

[paradox]

ive heard exactly that about it fvrom many people.

i should see it, eh?

[phee]

Yup

[phee]

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New Question:

Do you believe that "Good" and "Evil" as fundimental poles within the universe, or are they absolutely relative invention of the human mind?

[paradox]

good and evil are relative.

[The_Dark]

That is a spiritual matter.. best left in debates about God.

[phee]

SO we have a Good and Evil are my relatives

and it matters to God...

Anyone else?

[soothsayer]

Good and evil are not an invention of the human mind. Rather they are states of emotion and well being that are every bit as real as light and darkness. Just about everything has a polar opposite. So I believe they are fundimental poles within the universe.

[paradox]

western thought is very based in duality, while eastern cultures sometimes have a more diverse spread possibilities. granted this is a broad (and somewhat antiquated) generalization.

i think Hermann Hesse's Steppenwolf does a good job of exploring that, if youve read it. i think that culturally, we still over-emphasize duality, and miss out on the greater possibilities of multiplicity.

what is good and evil? to you at least... what you call good is evil to another. what another thinks good is evil for you. good an evil can exist for a person, but not as an absolute for all people.

[bav]

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New Question:

Do you believe that "Good" and "Evil" as fundimental poles within the universe, or are they absolutely relative invention of the human mind?

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I believe that "good"/"evil" are social constructs that act as a scale for determining socially acceptable behavior within a culture or society. An action that in one culture may be considered taboo or evil may be entirely acceptable or even laudible within another.

As far as it being fundamental poles in the universe, I don't think the "universe" cares if a serial killer takes out dozens of people with an ax (which is commonly considered to be an 'evil' action) . Follow the time-line long enough, there might be cause-&-effect ripples that could cause or prevent a significant change(i.e. Person A kills Person B who would have made a critical advance in science that allows humans to eventually populate the galaxy) in the universe but unless everything is completely pre-ordained down to the last detail (which I do not believe in), it's incredibly unlikely.

Some examples:

Radical religious zealots may consider the men who hijacked the planes on September 11th to be martyrs who died in fufillment of a good cause. George W. Bush and the majority of the country considers them to have committed an evil act while his actions are those of a just and moral man. I think that both the hijackers and Bush are evil.

Polygomy in many cultures and religions has been considered a normal state of affairs. Our current society frowns on it and deems it to be illegal and immoral.

I might consider Zhukov's penis to be a tool of evil. Others may consider it a force of good.

[The_Dark]

western thought is very based in duality, while eastern cultures sometimes have a more diverse spread possibilities.  granted this is a broad (and somewhat antiquated) generalization.

i think Hermann Hesse's Steppenwolf does a good job of exploring that, if youve read it.  i think that culturally, we still over-emphasize duality, and miss out on the greater possibilities of multiplicity.

what is good and evil?  to you at least... what you call good is evil to another.  what another thinks good is evil for you.  good an evil can exist for a person, but not as an absolute for all people.

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Really? That explains Yin/Yang in the I Ching so well. NOT. Eastern thought is very left/right black/white good/evil.

[Guest Game of Chance]

Really? That explains Yin/Yang in the I Ching so well. NOT. Eastern thought is very left/right black/white good/evil.

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As an avid (in an almost OCD way) student of the I Ching, I have to totally agree.

[torn asunder]

Good and evil are not an invention of the human mind. Rather they are states of emotion and well being that are every bit as real as light and darkness. Just about everything has a polar opposite. So I believe they are fundimental poles within the universe.

they must be relative, though, because our opinions of good/evil most likely do not exactly match... what i think is good, you may call evil - if this *can* be true, how could they be "fundamental poles"? just curious...

[soothsayer]

western thought is very based in duality, while eastern cultures sometimes have a more diverse spread possibilities.  granted this is a broad (and somewhat antiquated) generalization.

i think Hermann Hesse's Steppenwolf does a good job of exploring that, if youve read it.  i think that culturally, we still over-emphasize duality, and miss out on the greater possibilities of multiplicity.

what is good and evil?  to you at least... what you call good is evil to another.  what another thinks good is evil for you.  good an evil can exist for a person, but not as an absolute for all people.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was gonna say this but P-man got to it first. :laughing