GOD'S LAW?

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

I don't think sins have absolutes unless they defy love.

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I wanted to elaborate on this statement since I was kind of cut short last night by company, a lot of drama, and other things that eventually led to me not even making it to City Club last night.

If I feel in my heart that something is wrong and I do it anyways, I have sinned. There are certain sins that everyone can agree are evil in this world though. Murder, stealing, adultery, providing false testimony against you neighbor, etc. Anything that is done out of hate, is a sin. Anything done to harm someone else is a sin. An action done to someone else to harm them in any way, that you would not want done to yourself is a sin.

Outside of these sins that defy love, there are sins of conscience. When the Spirit of Truth enters the flesh of mortal man, it makes a binding, and bonding pact with that flesh. This Spirit is love. The pact that resides between the flesh and the Spirit can only be interpreted by the conscience of that human. These sins are not absolute for anyone as are sins of hatred, but rather subject to that servant. If a servant of God is homosexual for example, and he feels in his heart that what he does is wrong, he would be better off casting away his gender than living in a life of sin. If however, homosexuality does not weigh on his conscience, and he feels in his heart that what he does is right and out of love, and he lives his life in reverence of God, than he has not sinned against the Spirit or defied the pact, because the Spirit does not lie or lead men astray.

Sexual immorality itself is subject to the servant. It is better for a man to be married, than it is to live in lust. If a man only seeks what is pleasing to his flesh, than he does not seek what is pleasing to God. He is bound to the world, and the world is his master. I for one have an insatiable sex drive. It would be far better for me to find a good wife than it would be for me to live in lust. The point here is that sexual immorality is one of those sins of conscience that break the pact between man and Spirit and blaspheme God. Your bodies are married to the Christ, and one with him. When you sleep with someone you become one with them. If you sleep with someone only to satisfy your worldly desires and not out of love then you defile your body which is a temple for the Spirit. While all other sins are outward sins, sins of sexual immorality are inward.

Being that there are by far more sins of conscience, than there are sins of hatred, how can anyone live under a religion of Law, rather than love and reverence? It is not possible to live such a life, and hope to become perfected and purified, because such religions only create hatred, prejudice, and self righteousness. Without a thorough understanding of love, and developing patience and understanding for those you disagree with, one can never truly find God. They can only hope to have blind faith in words. There are very basic evils, that most people aside from the criminally insane can agree upon. Those evils are the ones that should be cast out of a free society to protect and preserve that growth of that society.

While I say church and state should be forever separate, this is because most Churchs are law based. Laws that exist within a state should be limited to protecting people from harm. This harm is usually a result of a sin of hatred rather than a sin of conscience. These are essentially the basics that even an agnostic or atheist can agree upon, and this is their world too. Their knowledge of a basic understanding of hate sins is essentially, because God communicates with every man despite their religion. An atheist or agnostic still has the Spirit, however they choose not to acknowledge it, because in most cases they have lacked spiritual food, and have been discouraged by the judgments of law based religion members who preach hypocrisy.

[Mikielikesit]

I'm Mike and I'm a recovering catholic and people like this and there are so many kinda scare me they are the type of people who are in power in our country right now and as long as thier skeletons are in the closet they hold true but when they are found out they fall back on I have sinned our some other happy horse shit for protection...I learned as a kid that all I needed to do when i had sinned against the lord was to tell a priest and ask for forgivness and all is forgotten no matter what i did and that made me a rightous person and people take that to heart and judge others........For me religion is a farce but I believe in spirituality and i don't put all my eggs in one basket because i have been witness to many different points of view from buhhdism to wiccan to native american views (which I take a shine to) ...........CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET A LONG, GEESH

Oh yeah Dr. Laura is a twit and needs to be strichen from the record........

[VyRiZ]

Branigan's Law is better!

"What law was that again, Kip?"

"Ugh.... Branigan's Law, sir."

-Futurama

[Scary Guy]

LOL, my friend and coworker Todd was telling me this last night on the way to work (the club). He didn't say it exact but I got the point.

[soothsayer]

Branigan's Law is better!

"What law was that again, Kip?"

"Ugh.... Branigan's Law, sir."

                  -Futurama

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[crunchy_pickle (5)]

For me religion is a farce but I believe in spirituality and i don't put all my eggs in one basket because i have been witness to many different points of view from buhhdism to wiccan to native american views (which I take a shine to) ...........CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET A LONG, GEESH

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While, I agree that something can be learned from all religions, there's really no point in having any religion. God is God, and no matter what name he is called, all he really wants is people to love each other and love him above all. A man can easily find God without religion anyways. Not only does he exist in everyone, but he reveals himself to everyone. In moments of peace, love, and serenity, he is the voice inside your head.

[Scary Guy]

As many of you know, an open letter addressed to Dr. Laura asking her a number of moral questions was posted. I wondered what would happen if I sent her this letter. After all, it's only fair that Dr. Laura gets a chance to respond. Maybe there are legitamite answers to our questions. I e-mailed her a copy of the letter and lo and behold, she responded.

Dear Concerned Fan,

I am pleased that you have taken an interest in the Bible and have trusted me with your questions. I'd be happy to answer your questions on the Bible to the best of my ability.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

Yes you should, anyone that doesn't have the same taste for bull meat as God does obviously is deranged and is a threat to society. Here's a tip: after you kill your neighbor, invite the other neighbors over for a barbeque. Don't forget the barbeque sauce!

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

It depends since, first of all, your daughter had better be a virgin. Otherwise you won't be able to get anything for her. You get the best price if you sell your her to a Washington politcian as an intern. Don't worry about which party, they all have the same tastes. Ask for a hundred thousand, they can srely afford it.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

If the women takes offense, then beat her. She should know better than to stand up to a man.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

You can certainly buy Canadians, but it's unwise as they cost a whole lot more. Currently, Cuba is a resource only beginning to be tapped by Major League Baseball. Try there for low priced slaves before others catch on and the price goes up.

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

Yes you are, but don't do it on a Sunday.

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Actually, eating shellfish is a larger abomination. Everyone should be eating bull meat instead.

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

You may approach the alter, but only if you've had surgery or with your glasses or contacts.

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

You should collect their hair, and make them choke on it in their sleep as punishment.

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I stillplay football if I wear gloves?

No, there is still a great risk of the football hitting you on the face or above the wrist.

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blasphemea lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Actually, you should burn them to death, but invite the entire neighborhood to watch. Community events like this bring a feeling of warmth and fellowship amongst your neighbors.

I'm so glad that you have taken a keen interest in our Lord's word, unlike so many in America's modern evil, sin-filled culture.

Please buy my new book, "Damned if you Do, and Damned if you Don't."

God Be With You

Dr. Laura

See everyone? When you give these so called "fundies" a chance they'll answer your questions so you can see and feel the love of God.

[Shade Everdark]

While, I agree that something can be learned from all religions, there's really no point in having any religion.  God is God, and no matter what name he is called, all he really wants is people to love each other and love him above all.  A man can easily find God without religion anyways.  Not only does he exist in everyone, but he reveals himself to everyone.  In moments of peace, love, and serenity, he is the voice inside your head.

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As far as I'm aware, god is a figment of people's imaginations.

[Scary Guy]

As far as I'm aware, god is a figment of people's imaginations.

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NONONONONO, he IS the voice inside your head...

" Joshua Magee, in the throes of a schizophrenic delusion, believed he was about to do God's work when he drove a car carrying homemade explosives and a rifle to Malcolm High School last year, a psychologist testified Monday."

" "God told me to strike at al Quaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did." -- Dubya"

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

As far as I'm aware, god is a figment of people's imaginations.

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Well, this definitely requires a lot more faith than I will place in anything. I mean really where would you suggest we came from? I've never heard of organic material coming from inorganic material personally. I don't mean to sound belittling, but this defies science and nature. I've never been much of a Frankenstein fan personally. Most of us have a general idea of microevolution as well as macroevolution, but it has to start somewhere right? If we are the result of a big bang in space, then am I to believe that somehow our planet has always been able to sustain life on a single cellular level? Perhaps a comet carried these organisms through space somehow and they were able to survive these conditions? Perhaps these organisms just always were?

The immortal indestructible cell? Ok, so say this is all true somehow, someway, beyond reason, logic, and sanity. Where did we come from? Neandarthal man and homo sapiens co-existed on this planet and while we know Neandarthal man came from homo erectus, we know also that homo sapiens did not. Homo erectus was long dead before we "emerged", and Neandarthal man doesn't share enough common DNA for us to have evolved from them even if some of them did not evolve. We are actually closer to the chimpanzee than we are to Neandarthal.

So I guess it would be arrogance and ignorance to assume that we are the only planet in existence capable of supporting carbon based lifeforms. I mean we can't be the only hunk of rock that carried carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and the many elements that we have right? Perhaps our species was abandoned here by an alient sentient being? I guess it wouldn't be that far fetched that a similar planet in a similar solar system, would develop in similar ways right? Perhaps this planet had billions of years on us, and we came to kill off the humanoid species who ruled Earth at the time to colonize? I'm sorry, but perhaps you can enlighen me here.

I am a huge fan of science fiction, but there comes a point when we have to stop believing in fairy tales. I guess if you can buy all that, you would in fact have a lot more faith than me.

[SomeDanGuy]

Makes more sense than a magical creature who we never see or here from randomly creating things with no proof to show for it whatsoever

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

Makes more sense than a magical creature who we never see or here from randomly creating things with no proof to show for it whatsoever

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You mean who you never see or hear from and assume that no one else does? I don't think you can speak for everyone.

[Shade Everdark]

Well, this definitely requires a lot more faith than I will place in anything.  I mean really where would you suggest we came from?  I've never heard of organic material coming from inorganic material personally.  I don't mean to sound belittling, but this defies science and nature.  I've never been much of a Frankenstein fan personally.  Most of us have a general idea of microevolution as well as macroevolution, but it has to start somewhere right?  If we are the result of a big bang in space, then am I to believe that somehow our planet has always been able to sustain life on a single cellular level?  Perhaps a comet carried these organisms through space somehow and they were able to survive these conditions?  Perhaps these organisms just always were?

The immortal indestructible cell?  Ok, so say this is all true somehow, someway, beyond reason, logic, and sanity.  Where did we come from?  Neandarthal man and homo sapiens co-existed on this planet and while we know Neandarthal man came from homo erectus, we know also that homo sapiens did not.  Homo erectus was long dead before we "emerged", and Neandarthal man doesn't share enough common DNA for us to have evolved from them even if some of them did not evolve.  We are actually closer to the chimpanzee than we are to Neandarthal.

So I guess it would be arrogance and ignorance to assume that we are the only planet in existence capable of supporting carbon based lifeforms.  I mean we can't be the only hunk of rock that carried carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and the many elements that we have right?  Perhaps our species was abandoned here by an alient sentient being?  I guess it wouldn't be that far fetched that a similar planet in a similar solar system, would develop in similar ways right?  Perhaps this planet had billions of years on us, and we came to kill off the humanoid species who ruled Earth at the time to colonize?  I'm sorry, but perhaps you can enlighen me here.

I am a huge fan of science fiction, but there comes a point when we have to stop believing in fairy tales.  I guess if you can buy all that, you would in fact have a lot more faith than me.

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I'm curious: how does refusing to believe in the big hand in the sky, something for which no one has any concrete, reproducible evidence, defy science logic? Your argument boils down to the fundamental theme of intelligent design, which is that the world, the universe is too complex to have been generated spontaneously. Given a long enough timeline, the survival rate for every human being drops to zero. Given a long enough timeline, the probability rate for everything approaches 100%.

I choose to trust my idea of where we came from to observable evidence. Period.

Strictly speaking, it is arrogance and ignorance to assume anything, because an assumption implicitly states that you have no direct knowledge about which you are assuming, and have the audacity to say that "this is so". There is indeed a certain amount of arrogance and ignorance involved in refusing to believe in the existence of a deity. I don't know, and I tend to have serious doubts about whether we CAN know. There is also a certain amount of arrogance and ignorance involved in the belief that said deity does exist. I choose the path of observable evidence, of evidence collected by painstaking and strict research, evidence which can be seen, felt, tested and reproduced. I also choose the path of logical ease. It is easier, in a logical sense, to assume the negative, and work to find a counter-example, since any example to the positive will disprove the negative assumption. Conversely, however, if I hold the positive assumption that a deity does exist, one must prove all possible counter-examples, i.e. show that for every instance of the existence of a deity, one does not. I think you'll agree that we can't really prove an infinity of counter-examples. Those who believe only have to prove one, to be right.

I don't believe in fairy tales. I believe in what I can see and feel. I live in a world of cold, harsh reality. If I can see and feel, in reality, the existence of god, I will GLADLY admit I was wrong. Until I can see and feel and take a blood sample, though, then as far as I'm concerned, god really is that figment.

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

I don't believe in fairy tales.  I believe in what I can see and feel.  I live in a world of cold, harsh reality.  If I can see and feel, in reality, the existence of god, I will GLADLY admit I was wrong.  Until I can see and feel and take a blood sample, though, then as far as I'm concerned, god really is that figment.

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Everything is ignorance and arrogance ultimately. There's no escaping it. It's all about perspective. Bear with me for a moment, because there is a point in all of this, between the lines of a lot of things you may not believe, or may even find terrifying.

I used an example recently regarding Columbus. Columbus believed so strongly the the world was round that he set out to prove it despite mass criticism. Most of the world's concept of reality was a bit distorted. Consider this though. What makes something tangible? Ultimately, reality is defined by elecrical signals, chemical reactions, and popular opinion.

Since the beginning of mankind, there have been people with the gift of prophecy. Many great kings relied on these prophets in decision making. After the death and resurrection of Christ however, the Spirit of Truth descended down not only to the apostles, but onto the one's they baptized. This Spirit granted future generations many different spiritual gifts including prophecy. Clearly you can see the problem this presented to not only the Roman Empire and the Jews, but also to future rulers. The only solution really, was to deny these people the spiritual food and growth they needed and lock them away for madness. Have you ever wondered why so many schizophrenics make claims of hearing demons, talk of angels, talk of the Antichrist, or in fact make claims that they are the Son of God? Not only are they denied spiritual food, but they're also denied spiritual combatives. You see Satan is the prince of this world. He is not allowed to test a man beyond what he can bear, however a man of prophecy usually has a lot of resolve when it comes to demons. Ultimately it is our goal to break these men down, through the use of sedatives, because we are afraid of what we do not understand, and have no concept of what their purpose is. We only know that they scare us, and they can be a threat to our society because they view reality in a manner that we feel is distorted, and yes it is distored in a sense, because rather than helping these people grow, we break them down. I'm sure you may get a chuckle out of this, but I barely escaped long term hospitalization myself, and the psychotropic drugs they treated me with not only disabled me for 6 months but came pretty close to killing me. These drugs could've caused permanent damage, and everyday they are administered to those who are not understood.

With that being said, I'm sure you can see how Satan maintained his foothold on this world. Despite the fact that Christ defeated sin and death, all of his prophets in a sense have been slain by their own people, so that we might have a more governable society. I mean really how much chaos would there be if everyone came to understand that everything that we know is a lie? This is why there is corruption and divisions in the Church. Essentially, the true Church is the body of Christ, and man's union with the Christ. We are taught however, that the Catholic Church is. We are taught to believe in dogma and doctrine, and to be bound to the old covenant, rather than understand the new covenant through teachers who are not blinded by the lies and heresies that have continued for centuries as a measure of control.

The Law was given to a lawless people who only understood wordly things. The Word was given to us so that we might not put our faith and trust in the world anymore, but rather in the Almighty God our master and creator. Have you ever wondered why Satan would want man to see in the Garden of Eden? What would this change? Man came to believe in what he saw with his new eyes in the world, and was blinded by his own senses to the truth and the light. This was a very effective measure, and has continued to be a good measure for testing faith.

My point here, is that I make no assumptions about anything. I am neither telling you that you are wrong, or that I am right. All, I'm asking is that you consider the possibility that you could be making assumptions based on your perspective of what reality is, and that what is tangible for you and most people in the world may not necessarily be any more true than the beliefs of 1492.

Of course, there's always the possibility that I am delusional and insane as well. Either way, you can't deny the possibility that God does talk to people based solely on your opinion that anyone who claims he does talk to them is insane. Reality may be subject to popular opinion, but truth is not.