Michael Moore's Letter

[unchaste]

I bloody hate politics. Why can't we all just get along?

[torn asunder]

I bloody hate politics.  Why can't we all just get along?

where's the fun in that?!?! :erm :whistling

[the eternal]

Point well taken, Shade. (See I come across the worship Shade thread acouple days ago and I'm already giving you praise)

I will say one thing, though.

By not posing as a news source, Michael Moore

as well as conservative pundits

are free to actually ADD news that you would not receive from the media, because there is no fear of bias claims (how Fox gets away with what they do is anyones guess)

Moore freely admits he's biased (which is of course different from factually untrue)

and will therefore bring up things the media overlooked.

Same with the Daily Show. Jon Stewart says "this is NOT real news!" and yet he keeps winning awards

Why???

He looks at the news that's already there and says,

"This is crap!" and digs DEEPER

I'll give you an example.

Bush went on TV and said " No one could've predicted the levees would break here"

Now EVEN THOUGH news networks like CNN and MSNBC DID predict it, they reported his quote without questioning it. (Because they're pussies)

What Jon Stewart did was point out that

'hey, all those networks DID predict it, along with a slew of experts, along with and I quote

"A random woman in a raincoat"

He then rolled footage of a local woman describing exactly what was going to happen a week before it did.

The Daily Show is not news but astute ANALYSIS of both the media and the people that run our country.

And to make that analysis,

he'll bring up facts the media NEVER reported.

He connects the dots when something SEEMS to stink, and you're not quite sure why.

Many times he will show footage of Bush claiming one thing a year ago and Bush today and they're complete contradictions!

And the media, with all their truth squads and "in depth reporting" dont point that out

And although Stewart is not a newsman

SOMEHOW

he is the only person in the country making factually based commentary when something is bullshit.

Everytime I see archival footage of a politician lying about what they said in the past AND SEEING THE PROOF on the TDS, I think wow, they must have a LOT of exclusive footage

Then, I realize, NO, it's just that none of the media outlets care enough to investigate and find the truth.

That's what news used to be.

Dig up the truth,

not just be a mouthpiece for Bush or Clinton.

You'd NEVER have watergate today. Nixon would be a national treasure!

That's why Jon Stewart and to a lesser extent Michael Moore are so great.

They're like the little boy pointing and saying "The Emporer's Wearing No Clothes"

Same for Tom Tomorrow (if you ever read the Metro Times)

They supplement the news with factual multivitamins we used to receive organically from freshly grown local news outlets before it became the same processed junk.

And yes, it's sad, that you can sometimes get better news ANALYSIS from a comedy central show than CNN.

:confused

[the eternal]

I bloody hate politics.  Why can't we all just get along?

Because we need something to do in between fantasizing about beautiful (men and) women.

I'll be honest. I had a really shitty weekend and this actually took my mind off things for a bit.

Off to pity party

(PS that's a warning--tear my argument to the ground NOT ME--I'm not up for a personal war over a political issue-Hell, I never am--

You guys are really smart on here. I mean that.

Even if I'm the only one right all the time :grin

There,

I smiled for the first time in over a day )

[Black Sunday9]

I'll listen to anti-Bush talk, but not from Mr. "accurate", Michael Moore. If Moore was "accurate" he wouldn't be staging scenes, doctoring headlines and fudging statistics, if he was a truth seeker he wouldn't have to do these things but he does. The guy is a proven liar. He is to the left what Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are to the right. The world would be better off without Moore and Limbaugh.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-D...renheit-911.htm

Now with regard to New Orleans, I have no idea if the Bush admin messed it up, it appears that way, but I am no expert. If the levy accusations are true then someone should be held accountable.

[Head Wreck]

i agree the levies were a bad thing.

but wouldnt that come under local government not at the national level.

so please explain why moore is using the levies against his favourate headline grabber.

oh teo get headlines.

the guys a classic attention seeker. one can only hope he eventually fades into obscurity. unfortunatly i only see this happening by another person thats worse than moore for attention seeking.

its ;like the current situation between the ABA and a leader of another lobbying group here who has done nothing but incite that the ABA is out for themselves, where this guy is the one who does that.

as said

message to moore:

"quit your attempts at gaining more ego stroking and fucking help out if it concerns you so much, then go on after responsibility when the whole mess is stabalised"

[Draco1958]

I see the debate went way more politcal than needed IMHO. So I guess I'll add my 2 cents worth cuz I am bored and saw many many good points made by alot of people. A local NOLA newspaper, the picanne or something like that wrote an article 36 months ago that the levees needed repair. They were rated for a Cat 3 hurricane and the mayor of NOLA and the Gov of La both said that 1. we will never get hit by anything above cat 3, 2. The levees aren't that bad so why fix them. 3. we have everything under control, we don't need Federal help.

I got that info from watching CNN, MSNBC, FNN, local news channels and WWJ 950 radio who played interviews with the Gov of La and the Mayor of NOLA

Katrina became a Cat 5 hurricane in the gulf and nailed everything it could. Now I will say that Bush was slow in sending aid but also that the politicians in control in La and NOLA did everything IMHO stupid to try and prevent what has happenned. The evacuation plan designed for this wasn't used properly, buses for the evacuation sat unused. people refused to leave and so on. No 1 person can take all the blame for this, it is spread around all over the place. And let's remember, Congress not the Pres cuts the budget and votes on it, the Pres only signs it and if he doesn't, they can override his veto on a vote. No I am not defending Bush directly but just trying to explain my take on what facts I have heard. Some of what I have said may be in error in which case I apologize for any inaccuracies. But my main point is that instead of pointing fingers at who did what, like I know I did here by trying to present facts as I understand them, let's look to the future, help where we can and hope this doesn't happen again. And one more point, it didn't help that NOLA was built on land that at one time was under water, sits below sea level and needs levees and pumps to survive.

As for Michael Moore, yes he makes some interesting points, yes he will twist the bad info making a mountain out of a molehill at times, no he won't play up anything good if he can help it. He makes a great read but I would never take anything he says as truthful and factual reporting. His goal is sensationalism to make himself a hero to the people when IMHO, he's more of a headline grabbing news whore who acts like he is helping the people but it looks to me more like he tries to create dissent towards the government in general no matter who is Pres at the time.

Ok, I'm done, now back to your regularly scheduled debauchery, mayhem and orgies.

[The_Dark]

Something else that noone is really talking about... Nola had 2Billion dollars in funds to repair/rebuild the levy system. last year they spent 1.98million of it... thats less than 1% of the budget availible...

Why?

[JaneDead]

michael moore-

why do people get so upset/worked up over a man who doesn't even have any "power"? the only power he has is to speak his mind and people listen. whether they agree or not, they are listening. he gives fact AND he gives opinion. other than that his fact and his opinion are not changing anything in the world around us.

[The_Dark]

They change one of the most important things... other peoples minds.

[JaneDead]

They change one of the most important things... other peoples minds.

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but if people are that impressionable that is a bigger issue.

still michael moore does nothing more than practice freedom of speech.

[phee]

but if people are that impressionable that is a bigger issue.

still michael moore does nothing more than practice freedom of speech.

This is true... people have as much power as they are given, if no one listened to this man... he would have no power.

In the case of higher-ups that piss me off, well people have allowed them to become powerful. Such as say the President, he is who he is, and he has his views, if he had not been given so much power, I could care less what he thinks, but now since othter peoples votes and my tax dollars give him power, I have reason to be pissed.

[JaneDead]

This is true... people have as much power as they are given, if no one listened to this man... he would have no power.

In the case of higher-ups that piss me off, well people have allowed them to become powerful. Such as say the President, he is who he is, and he has his views, if he had not been given so much power, I could care less what he thinks, but now since othter peoples votes and my tax dollars give him power, I have reason to be pissed.

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exactly.

[Marblez]

This is true... people have as much power as they are given, if no one listened to this man... he would have no power.

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His words do have power, he has created for himself a very large audience. Some of us dislike the slanted facts/opinions that he is putting out there and into other voting peoples minds - it is our responsibility to temper some of that power by pointing out the bias and misinformation that he is so loudly and convincingly promoting.

[phee]

He did not create his audience... his audience created him... the audience is what gives him power.

His words do have power, he has created for himself a very large audience.  Some of us dislike the slanted facts/opinions that he is putting out there and into other voting peoples minds - it is our responsibility to temper some of that power by pointing out the bias and misinformation that he is so loudly and convincingly promoting.

[Marblez]

He did not create his audience... his audience created him... the audience is what gives him power.

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This is not exactly a chicken/egg thing. I will go out on a limb and say that no one ran to his doorstep and said "Please Mr. Mooore, we demand that you tell us what you think of Bush and US politics!!".

[phee]

This is not exactly a chicken/egg thing.  I will go out on a limb and say that no one ran to his doorstep and said "Please Mr. Mooore, we demand that you tell us what you think of Bush and US politics!!".

So he would be just as powerful if there was no one listening to him? No....

So Michael Moore is nothing if people do not listen to him... And especailly if they didn't want to hear what he has to say...

[Marblez]

So he would be just as powerful if there was no one listening to him? No....

So Michael Moore is nothing if people do not listen to him... And especailly if they didn't want to hear what he has to say...

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Yes, he is fueled by the audience, yes they give him the power. And he in turn fuels them with his sensational propaganda. Like it or not, we are all a part of his audience - I just don't believe that there are enough people in the right sections boo-ing and hissing.

The "right sections" being the frightened or belligerant, under educated, highly populated, media friendly (gullible), sub-middle class.

[phee]

By talking about him right now we are making him stronger.

[Marblez]

Yes, in the same way that talking about any public figure makes them stronger, it makes their name even more recognizeable. Perhaps someone who has never hweard of him will see this thread... GREAT! When they next come to one of the usual pro-moore propagators of his name, perhaps they will then take it more with a grain of salt knowing that he does not speak for every pseudo-intelligent american.

[phee]

Yes, in the same way that talking about any public figure makes them stronger, it makes their name even more recognizeable. Perhaps someone who has never hweard of him will see this thread... GREAT!  When they next come to one of the usual pro-moore propagators of his name, perhaps they will then take it more with a grain of salt knowing that he does not speak for every pseudo-intelligent american.

Maybe

[Marblez]

Maybe

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Perhaps

[JaneDead]

well it is not like michael moore is the only one out there spewing things people don't want to hear.

the president, for example, spews things that people don't want to hear and don't believe ... and they have no choice. he is our president. michael moore is just a man.

[phee]

well it is not like michael moore is the only one out there spewing things people don't want to hear.

the president, for example, spews things that people don't want to hear and don't believe ... and they have no choice. he is our president. michael moore is just a man.

But the President started by scaring people into being elected, and the people gave him their power once again.

[The_Dark]

not wholy true... Kerry sacred me into voting Bush.