Canada Votes for New PM

[The_Dark]

Canadians are going to the polls today to vote on thier next parliment and PM. It's not looking too good for the Liberals according to the polls. Perhaps Canada is about to grow a set.

[Homicidalheathen]

(HH starts chewing on her nails) :tear

[bean]

Crap maybe I'm not moving to Canada now.

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

I take it you havent looked into what is actually required of someone who wants to move to canada. Its not very easy unless you are from a ShxT country that is in the middle of a war or genocide or somthing.... those are the only people who can get in easy (short of people skills that are in demand or possiblly people from the british commonwealth)

[The_Dark]

The Canadian people are pretty upset with the last 13 years of Liberal government. They are sick of the scandals, failing health system, failing social programs...

[Fierce Critter]

Perhaps Canada is about to grow a set.

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Oh, yeah. It takes MASSIVE FUCKING BALLS to adhere to age-old practices & beliefs that are rooted in fear of change, fear of acceptance and fear of anything that doesn't adhere to your own narrow-minded world mindset.

Give me a massive, fucking, goddamn break.

Conservative

Main Entry: 2conservative Function: noun1 a : an adherent or advocate of political conservatism b capitalized : a member or supporter of a conservative political party

2 a : one who adheres to traditional methods or views b : a cautious or discreet person

A vote for conservatism is, by nature, a vote AGAINST change.

[The_Dark]

Everything can get boiled down into one of two catagorys... Those that Work and Those that don't. Canada has 13 years of Those that Don't. Don't get pissed at me if they are realizing it.

[The_Dark]

BTW.. Change is not the same thing as Better. Change is not always good. Rapid sweeping change rarely is.

[Shade Everdark]

I will point out two logical fallacies here, in the hopes that people will take them to heart.

Argumentum ad Novitatem: this is the logical fallacy of stating that something is better simply because it's newer or more modern than the alternative.

Argumentum ad Antiquitatem: this is the logical fallacy of believing or claiming that something is better simply it is traditional, or "the way it is has always been", or just old.

Just because something is new does not mean it will be better. Likewise, because it is old, because it is tried-and-true or traditional, or "it's always been that way" does not make it better just because it IS old.

Now, these are fallacies applied to logical debate, but they are, I'm sure you can agree, easily applicable to the world around us. Better and worse are not simply matters of age or modernity; it's simply a matter of how well they work. In the current context, the new Canadian government, only a little time will tell us if the Canadians think their new government is better than their old one, or if they preferred things the way they were.

[Fierce Critter]

I will point out two logical fallacies here, in the hopes that people will take them to heart.

Argumentum ad Novitatem: this is the logical fallacy of stating that something is better simply because it's newer or more modern than the alternative. 

Argumentum ad Antiquitatem: this is the logical fallacy of believing or claiming that something is better simply it is traditional, or "the way it is has always been", or just old.

Just because something is new does not mean it will be better.  Likewise, because it is old, because it is tried-and-true or traditional, or "it's always been that way" does not make it better just because it IS old.

Now, these are fallacies applied to logical debate, but they are, I'm sure you can agree, easily applicable to the world around us.  Better and worse are not simply matters of age or modernity; it's simply a matter of how well they work.  In the current context, the new Canadian government, only a little time will tell us if the Canadians think their new government is better than their old one, or if they preferred things the way they were.

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\Well-said, Shade. Thank you.

My increasingly strong beef with conservatism is the absolute refusal to TRY something new/different. To give a chance to that which just might work in the end.

I think anyone with common sense is WILLING to try something different, step out of the box and give something a chance. Then, if it doesn't work, either go back to the way things were, or try a 3rd option.

It's the fear and fighting against those options that just gets me down. It's so defeatest, so parental. Just leave me alone to try, and yes, possibly fail.

But let me - and others who want to - have a chance at it.

[The_Dark]

That works on an individual basis FC... but we are not one person. We being the population of this fine country.

We have to figure out whats best for all of us.. or at least the majority of us (Can't please all the people all the time)

I have said before.. we, as a people, need to stop labeling things as Liberal or Conservative. A good idea is a good idea.. no matter what the political affiliation of the person who thought of it.

If a Liberal runs for office and his platform is full of good ideas that seem like they will work.. I'll vote for him/her. Same goes for the Conservative on the ballet. I don;t vote down party lines... nor down Liberal/Conservative lines... I vote for the person who seemed like they had good ideas and well thought out plans to implement them.... That seems to preclude me from voting for a Democrat most of the time... i cant vote on the "Anyone but...." band wagon. Give me a REAL canidate with REAL Ideas and plans to impliment them. PLEASE.

[saechalyn]

I vote for the person who seemed like they had good ideas and well thought out plans to implement them.... 

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Yes, and supposedly that is what Canadians like about Stephen Harper (the conservative candidate) because his campaign was more about "here's what I'll do" while Paul Martin's was more "vote for me because the other guy sucks."

I don't actually know much about this other than what I heard on NPR. As a non-Canadian who hasn't really been following this I don't have a strong opinion myself.

[Wounds Within]

Canadian voters elected Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper as their next prime minister but denying him the outright majority he would need to take any strong change in direction. Prime Minister Paul Martin scandal plagued Liberal Party was finally ousted after 12 years in power.

Could you imagine the Bush administration in power for 12 years?

[Homicidalheathen]

I just love this woman.

Oh, yeah. It takes MASSIVE FUCKING BALLS to adhere to age-old practices & beliefs that are rooted in fear of change, fear of acceptance and fear of anything that doesn't adhere to your own narrow-minded world mindset.

Give me a massive, fucking, goddamn break.

Conservative

Main Entry: 2conservative Function: noun1 a : an adherent or advocate of political conservatism b capitalized : a member or supporter of a conservative political party

2 a : one who adheres to traditional methods or views b : a cautious or discreet person

A vote for conservatism is, by nature, a vote AGAINST change.

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[The_Dark]

I love it when I'm right.

[Fierce Critter]

I just love this woman.

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