At It Again

[Shade Everdark]

Arkansas Times Story on the Lack of Evolution Instruction

[phee]

*sigh*

[Brenda Starrr]

Oh noooooo.........

[torn asunder]

that makes me sad... =(

[Mikielikesit]

I can't believe in this day and age that people are so fucking delusional that they live with their heads in the sand and the freaking BIBLE.....It's a nice book but get a grip we have a past and we have proof we evolved. We didn't just pop up here one day........country backwards ass fucks......that is all

[The_Dark]

We have proof? Since when?

[torn asunder]

We have proof? Since when?

i guess that depends on how much "faith" you put in "science"...

imo, yes, we have proof, at least, enough for me to buy it...

[phee]

i guess that depends on how much "faith" you put in "science"...

imo, yes, we have proof, at least, enough for me to buy it...

IMO as well, but proof in the sense of you see someone walking out of the lake and they are wet... that is proof that the water that was surrounding them in the lake is what made them that way... in other words... we can't prove that the water in the lake is what made them wet, but since they were seen emerging from the lake, we can assume it was that water..... I need a new metaphore

[The_Dark]

Right...

Yes you do... because we are going on a wet person with no lake or other water source. Our only proof is that things are different now than they were before. With nothing at all in between. Transitional Species. find one, you found proof. Noone else has.

[phee]

Nothing in between? No Neanderthals?

[Steven]

I can't believe in this day and age that people are so fucking delusional that they live with their heads in the sand and the freaking BIBLE.....It's a nice book but get a grip we have a past and we have proof we evolved. We didn't just pop up here one day........country backwards ass fucks......that is all

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dude, seriously......

place your faith where you will. thats cool.

but nothing that ANY of us claim to beleive is foolproof down to the upteenth percentile. there are just as many scientific holes in the theory of evolution as their are in creationism.....nobody can PROVE anything.

next - I aint no country fuck. nor am I anybody's boy. nor am I ignorant. nor am I naive. nor am I inexpereinced. Nor is my head in the sand. Nor do I fear you or society or anyone - I do what i do.

Along the way I've seen some things, done some thigns, searched out some things....and I am a firm beleiver in God and that we are a created species. That doesent mean that I'm better than you and that doesent mean that I think your off your rocker or that your an ignorant idiot or damned or any stupid thing you'd like to throw......those words never come out of my mouth because I dont think them.

However I have still made my choice unapologetically. It is MINE to make. Just like your is yours to make. I will not take shots at you for it.

dont take shots at me.

or my kind.

or what you may THINK - is my kind.

Not cool Johnny. Not Cool.

Steven

[phee]

I believe that there is room for both in the human mind.... and I don't think that they contradict one another (in my mind anyway) you could go with the "God is a watchmaker" way of thinking, ie: it was set in motion to occure in this specific way... just an idea (I am very agnostic, so this is one idea among infinite)

[The_Dark]

Homo sapiens neandertalensis and Homo sapiens sapiens existed at the same time. We think they both evolved from Homo Erectus. We have transitional records that show Homo Erectus slowly evolving (over 300-400 thousand years) into Homo sapiens neandertalensis, but Homo sapiens sapiens (Cro-Magnon Man) just kinda popped into existance 30-35 thousand years ago.

[phee]

Well said

[torn asunder]

Homo sapiens neandertalensis and Homo sapiens sapiens existed at the same time. We think they both evolved from Homo Erectus. We have transitional records that show Homo Erectus slowly evolving (over 300-400 thousand years) into Homo sapiens neandertalensis, but Homo sapiens sapiens (Cro-Magnon Man) just kinda popped into existance 30-35 thousand years ago.

ok, but how old is the world according to the bible? doesn't that sort of preclude the possibility of anything being 35,000 years old? (honestly, i'm not sure what it says on the world's age - that's why i'm asking - not trying to be a smartass...)

[The_Dark]

The Bible says that the world is about 6000 years old, but the Walls of Jericho (mentioned a lot in the Bible) have been shown to be about 7000 years old.

BTW, I'm not trying to prove Creationism. I don't beleive in it. I beleive in a form of ID.

before I forget... there is another oddity in Evolution. There is a GAP.. a huge one. Between Homo habilis and Homo Erectus. There is .4 million years between them. With no transition. Australopithicus robustus existed in that time period... infact it shared much of it's time on earth with Homo habilis and a bit of time with Homo Erectus. Australopithicus robustus died out 1million years ago and is not related to Homo Erectus. Australopithicus robustus and Homo habilis both evoled from Australopithicus africanus.

[phee]

The Bible says that the world is about 6000 years old, but the Walls of Jericho (mentioned a lot  in the Bible) have been shown to be about 7000 years old.

BTW, I'm not trying to prove Creationism. I don't beleive in it. I beleive in a form of ID.

before I forget... there is another oddity in Evolution. There is a GAP.. a huge one. Between Homo habilis and Homo Erectus. There is .4 million years between them. With no transition. Australopithicus robustus existed in that time period... infact it shared much of it's time on earth with Homo habilis and a bit of time with Homo Erectus. Australopithicus robustus died out 1million years ago and is not related to Homo Erectus. Australopithicus robustus and Homo habilis both evoled from Australopithicus africanus.

This is true.... But one thing important to state, not knowing one thing does not prove another... that goes both ways

[The_Dark]

But knowing something normally proves that you need to know more.

[phee]

But knowing something normally proves that you need to know more.

No disagreement.... so teaching one theory with x amount of facts makes more sense than teaching a theory with

[The_Dark]

Or teaching both.

[phee]

But the problem with "both" is there are a lot more than two, we would have to include every creation theory on the planet... I would rather go on what we can see as evidence... rather than what people have faith in without basis in fact

[Fierce Critter]

T'was a time in my search for my own faith that I found a need to reconcile my belief in the biblical AND the scientific. And after a lot of thought, this is what I came up with to work both creationism & evolution out for myself. Goes something like this.

Everything described in Genesis happened. Adam & Eve, the whole lot.

Then they blew it, and God said, "get outta my garden."

And God said, "That method didn't work. So let's try something else." And then he set evolution into motion. Made Man go "back to kindergarten" so to speak, making us start from scratch, in a form not quite as "ready-made" as the "modern man" version of Adam & Eve.

This would also work with my theory that God created everything and then threw up his hands and said, "do with it what you will, but if you blow it this time, it's on your heads. Learn as you go."

Of course, serious Bible scholars will discount my theory because it doesn't follow what comes after the expulsion from the garden.

But it works for me. =)

[Guest Megalicious]

I have to say when I read this it upset me, but not in the way you would think.

I myself am an athiest. There is a time and place for Christianity to influence teaching it's call "SENDING YOUR CHILD/COLLEGE STUDENT TO A CHRISTIAN PRIVATE SCHOOL!"

The thing that upset me the most is that this "Bob" works for a publicly funded insitution that serves several AK public districts....... SEVERAL!!! What it comes down to is the kids are not getting the facts to take in and judge for themselfs.

Now what happens when we have a bunch of kids getting fed the propaganda of someone else view instead of facts? Uneducated children, that can not seprate fact for propaganda.

That shouldn't happen, however I find myself reading about it more all the time. You want your kids to chosse the path of god? PUT THEM IN A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. Nothing more then science, fact, and absoultes should be taught at a PUBLIC school.

ITS WRONG.

Im not saying "fuck your faith" , I think it can be good for people to have faith if it makes you more productive, your life more joyus. BUT. It has no place in a public school , no influence of any religion does.

[phee]

I have to say when I read this it upset me, but not in the way you would think.

I myself am an athiest.  There is a time and place for Christianity to influence teaching it's call "SENDING YOUR CHILD/COLLEGE STUDENT TO A CHRISTIAN PRIVATE SCHOOL!"

The thing that upset me the most is that this "Bob" works for a publicly funded  insitution that serves several AK public districts....... SEVERAL!!!  What it comes down to is the kids are not getting the facts to take in and judge for themselfs. 

Now what happens when we have a bunch of kids getting fed the propaganda of someone else view instead of facts? Uneducated children, that can not seprate fact for propaganda.

That shouldn't happen, however I find myself reading about it more all the time.  You want your kids to chosse the path of god?  PUT THEM IN A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL.  Nothing more then science, fact, and absoultes  should be taught at a PUBLIC school. 

ITS WRONG.

Im not saying "fuck your faith" , I think it can be good for people to have faith if it makes you more productive, your life more joyus.  BUT.  It has no place in a public school , no influence of any religion does.

I agree

[Shade Everdark]

Dude, seriously......

place your faith where you will.  thats cool.

but nothing that ANY of us claim to beleive is foolproof down to the upteenth percentile.  there are just as many scientific holes in the theory of evolution as there are in creationism.....nobody can PROVE anything.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There's a difference here, though. Evolution, problems or no, is based on sound, verifiable observed fact, with repeatable experiments. Creationism is some guy saying, "This is what happened, and you all have to believe me.

I'm a cynic and a skeptic, I know, but I will always take what I can observe, even if it's incomplete, over some object of faith. Show me the holes in the hands, and I'll ask to put my finger through it.