Politically Correct

[kellygrrrrrl]

I though this thread would fit into this catergory....?

You know...it just seems like everybody has to walk on egg shells these days.

Gotta watch what we say and when to say it

You can't express views of religion or politics in certain situiations

You can't make a joke without SOMEONE getting offended

Everything is being censored

It's Tiring!

It's good because we want the moral society that we so strive for, and we should strive for that.

It's bad cause no matter what do, say, relate...there is always someone out there who is going to point thier finger...

And on the same note...it takes away the rights/freedoms etc....

(Pardom me if I make no sense again) just thinking outload

what do you guys think?

am I beating a dead horse here?

[Steven]

stand where you will.

say what you will.

be who you are.

we are being conditioned to follow, not to lead.

think about it.

[Msterbeau]

stand where you will.

say what you will.

be who you are.

we are being conditioned to follow, not to lead.

think about it.

I would ad to your list: Be prepared to accept the consequences of what you do and say.

[Guest Megalicious]

I though this thread would fit into this catergory....?

You know...it just seems like everybody has to walk on egg shells these days. 

Gotta watch what we say and when to say it

You can't express views of religion or politics in certain situiations

You can't make a joke without SOMEONE getting offended

Everything is being censored

It's Tiring!

It's good because we want the moral society that we so strive for, and we should strive for that.

It's bad cause no matter what do, say, relate...there is always someone out there who is going to point thier finger...

And on the same note...it takes away the rights/freedoms etc....

(Pardom me if I make no sense again) just thinking outload

what do you guys think?

am I beating a dead horse here?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Im affarid you are Miss Kelly. You said it best NO MATTER what you do, there is always going to be someone who is offened, and most of the time, in there minds they have every right to be,

YOU CANT HELP HOW PEOPLE THINK

you cant help how certain things effect ppl do to how they were rasied, influenced ect ect.

But YOU know what you meant, you know if you meant it in a offensive way or not. If you have offended them and they are a friend .. say sorry I didnt mean it that way

If they still carry on the converstation in a negative manner .. leave the convo.

If its a stranger .. who gives a fuck .. you dont know them, they obviously dont know you if they think you meant it in a "hateful" way.

You a sweetie. Just be you. If people take offense to that then fuck them, Life is to short to worry what everyone thinks of you

[kellygrrrrrl]

Thanks Meg...

I almost regret posting that "Gay" thing..... :blushing

I mean no harm....I'm just a little oblivious to some things around me...

Which is why I love the phrase...Ignorance is bliss.

[Hellion]

I though this thread would fit into this catergory....?

You know...it just seems like everybody has to walk on egg shells these days. 

Gotta watch what we say and when to say it

You can't express views of religion or politics in certain situiations

You can't make a joke without SOMEONE getting offended

Everything is being censored

It's Tiring!

It's good because we want the moral society that we so strive for, and we should strive for that.

It's bad cause no matter what do, say, relate...there is always someone out there who is going to point thier finger...

And on the same note...it takes away the rights/freedoms etc....

:devil Well said.

(Pardom me if I make no sense again) just thinking outload

what do you guys think?

am I beating a dead horse here?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[torn asunder]

I would ad to your list:  Be prepared to accept the consequences of what you do and say.

precisely...

[The_Dark]

I think the world has gone PC crazy. I think people are looking for rasons to be offended. Most of the people that bitch are only bitching because they can, not because they are truly offended.

I'm not PC.

I'm not going to be any time soon.

Don't like it?

Don't talk to me or listen to my conversations.

I was called "cracker" by a close black friend... exactly once. He didn't like me calling him a nigger. I actually wasn't really offened by being called a cracker, I just wanted to see if he could take what he was dishing out.

[torn asunder]

I was called  "cracker" by a close black friend... exactly once. He didn't like me calling him a nigger. I actually wasn't really offened by being called a cracker, I just wanted to see if he could take what he was dishing out.

one of my black friends in high school always called me "nigga" & i always called him something like "whitebread", or "cracka". i thought it was great that it wasn't a big deal to either of us. wish more people were like that...

as for pc, i always try to be mindful of the fact that one never knows who will be offended by what, and try to avoid "terms" and stereotyping in general. if i happen to offend someone, i'll say something like, "i'm sorry that offends you", or "i'm sorry you were offended", but i won't apologize for what i say, because i don't intentionally say anything to hurt another. this places the responsibility of the "hurt" on the offended person, not on me.

only you can let yourself be offended, so don't - that's my thought on it...

[Blackmail]

I try to be as PC as Peter Griffin, Quagmire, Joe the handicapped policeman and that black guy, Cleveland Brown.

[The Rod]

Brings back memories of the Christmas episode of South Park where they had to throw a Politically Correct Holiday Play. PC gets you nowhere fast...

[Steven]

I would ad to your list:  Be prepared to accept the consequences of what you do and say.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

well put Mark.

besides...you cant really "stand" without fortitude.

[JaneDead]

as for pc, i always try to be mindful of the fact that one never knows who will be offended by what, and try to avoid "terms" and stereotyping in general. if i happen to offend someone, i'll say something like, "i'm sorry that offends you", or "i'm sorry you were offended", but i won't apologize for what i say, because i don't intentionally say anything to hurt another. this places the responsibility of the "hurt" on the offended person, not on me.

only you can let yourself be offended, so don't - that's my thought on it...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

my thoughts exactly

[Fierce Critter]

I can't help but believe that the more a person argues against political correctness, the less they have had to deal with prejudice towards themselves in their lifetime.

And, just possibly, the more apt said person is to be prejudiced against others.

Just a feeling. No basis in fact, though some in experience.

[n0Mad]

Political Correctness can perform felatio on me. No, wait ... I can suck my cock!

[torn asunder]

I can't help but believe that the more a person argues against political correctness, the less they have had to deal with prejudice towards themselves in their lifetime.

And, just possibly, the more apt said person is to be prejudiced against others.

Just a feeling. No basis in fact, though some in experience.

(not directing this at FC specifically, this is a general expression of my thoughts)

i must disagree with this sentiment - *in my experience*, the ones who argue against all the "PC" movement are basically the ones who understand this simple fact, which is...

if you're offended/upset by something someone else says, it's entirely your fault - there's noone else to blame for your anger than you. you are allowing yourself to feel this. how does one go about changing this? well, it sure as hell isn't by repressing others' thoughts and opinions, or the way they express themselves - it falls entirely upon you to decide how you will react to someone else's input.

i can't say it enough - personal responsibility. take charge of yourself, and accept that every emotion you have, every judgement of another, is entirely based in your head, and nowhere else. once you realize this, you see the folly and pointlessness of being "PC". remember, when you judge another (like saying they're offensive, rude, inconsiderate, need i go on!?) you are not defining them, you are defining yourself as a person who needs to judge/is judgemental.

ok, i'm done now... :whistling

[The_Dark]

Well said.

[Fierce Critter]

remember, when you judge another (like saying they're offensive, rude, inconsiderate, need i go on!?) you are not defining them, you are defining yourself as a person who needs to judge/is judgemental.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I fail - laughingly - to see how my choosing not to use racial slurs or otherwise alienate or belittle others makes me "the bad guy" when compared to some racist bigot who sees everyone around them as nigger, spick, polack, dago, wop, mick, etc.

Judgment? We ALL judge. By saying what you did there, you're judging ME - and others who think like me. Does that fit in with your oft-proclaimed enlightened way of thinking? (And while we're making these sorts of distinctions, let me say that's also a general expression of MY thoughts.)

And maybe we all - in some ways - deserve judgment. And I'm going to judge someone who chooses not to use such language as being ABOVE someone who chooses the opposite. Tells me exactly the type of people they are. Some people ARE offensive, rude, inconsiderate, etc. And some people are polite, considerate, sensitive, etc. I'll choose to be around the latter over the former any day.

Sorry, but you will never convince me a person isn't defined by their actions AND their words.

And I stand by what I said initially. If you aren't against it, you haven't dealt with it enough to understand why some of us are. Either that, or I'd question someone's own capacity to feel - period.

[Der Nister]

You make a good point Kelly, what good is liberty and freedom is we censor our thoughts and feelings?

I'm not saying people should verbally attack someone for having a different opinion but to constantly watch what you say I think is ludichrist.

Those that stand up an speak truths, whether they be about politics, religion or other people are often frowned upon in todays world.

I respect those that speak their minds so long as it's done constructivly and not with the only intentions of malice. Our countries founding fathers did want us to have the right to speak our minds but in todays world too many people want that right removed.

[kellygrrrrrl]

there are a few things to take into concideration before judging one for what they say

were they being just strait up inconciderate?

Was intended for humor?

Was it directed towards you?

WHY did it upset you?

I might have a slip of the tongue and say something like "Oh man, that was gay...."

OR i might even slip up and say dude stop acting like a tard.....

And strait up, my mouth is far more foul than I am making it out to be....

However.....I am sure to not say these types of things in a situation where it may be offensive or strait up mean. I have an awareness of my surroundings.

I was once at a restaraunt where there was a child sitting at the table behind me who was very physically handicapped, I was unsure of the mental capabilites of this individual, so I don't know if he was "retarded"...but someone from the table kiddycorner from me yelled out stop acting retarded.....nobody even flinched. But I heard someone say "THAT was inconciderate"

Yes.....inconciderate, and oblivious to thier surroundings.

THAT I think was innappropriate.,....however I'm sure that person did not intend on hurting anyone. I'm sure he had a hard time sleeping that nite.

now Knowing that I might say these things to joke around, and one saying these things in an inappropriate situation.....does that make me different? No.

Does that me or this person a bad person? I don't know?

should I be judged? Maybe.

But if you can't forgive you can't expect to be forgiven.

There is a small part of that wishes that people would just be more CONSIDERATE. That's it. I don't care what you say. I don't care if you call me a nigger. OK fine. I'm a nigger. nothing surprises me anymore.

I've been called that....out of humor....I was not offended.

But I do think there is a time and place for everything.

having manners and being aware of your surroundings and being choosy with words NOT out of being PC but out of politeness. There is a fine line between being PC and being Polite

Ya know?

some just abuse the whole freedom of speech thing. ABUSE it. Some of the filth people can say just discusts me.

But that is just my small opinion...and really does that matter? Not really. I'll get over it.

Fine lines fine lines.

[Fierce Critter]

[but I do think there is a time and place for] having manners and being aware of your surroundings and being choosy with words NOT out of being PC but out of politeness.  There is a fine line between being PC and being Polite

Ya know?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This, I can agree with. Perhaps it's not so much PC I'm rooting for, so much as simple courtesy, and perhaps compassion.

For the record, Kelly, I do not at all judge you to the degree I might appear to be judging hypothetical "others" above. Just by posting your "That's so gay" thread tells me you have conscience and compassion - that you actually think about what you say.

I have slipped and used "gay" and "retarded" myself. When you run in certain circles, it can be easy to slip into peer vernacular. But I simply chose to correct that as I personally found it ugly, and, above all else, I try my best to eat what I dish. I try to avoid hypocrisy whenever possible.

[kellygrrrrrl]

nah...I didn't think anything of it!

[The_Dark]

For the record... the "Thats so Gay" thread is mine.

[The_Dark]

For the record.. I don't use racial slurs or many of the slang terms your talking about in this thread. I can insult you without having to use that kind of talk. An example...

Instead of saying "Your being a retard." I will say something like "Are you really this stupid or do you have to work at it?" or "Does being such a dumbass come easily?"

You can insult someone without using racial slurs or terms deemed non-pc. Now, wether or not that person is insulted is completly up to the person you are trying to insult. Which is the point torn asunder was trying to make. What I or anyone else says to you doesn't really matter unless you make it matter. Being insulted is compltly up to the insulted. Consider the source, consider the enviroment, consider the social situation.... they all play into it.

[torn asunder]

i'd like to add that in no way am i condoning any attitude or treatment of others that doesn't stem from a center of love/caring/and/or at very least, respect. it's true, many of these people are inconsiderate, obnoxious, and rude, to say the least. in general, people who act that way don't care at all about others' feelings - essentially, they are like children who don't know any better because either they weren't taught it was wrong, or they were specifically taught it was the right way to behave. either way, their ignorance is no reason for you to get angry. for those who get offended by things, i ask, do you enjoy allowing others to manipulate you? do you enjoy feeling angry? is there any reason you can think of for you to not just say to yourself, "that person needs help", and then move on? can you send them positive energy, or at least, well-wishes, and the hope that someday they will learn a better way to get on in life? if you feel a desire to educate them, can you offer your opinion, without having an expectation of the response/outcome? do you ever stop to think how sad these people's lives must be, not knowing anything but prejudice/hate/disdain for others, for no other reason than maybe a stereotype? has it occured to any of you how unpeaceful/unhappy/unsatisfying their lives must be? rather than being offended, can you have compassion for them, and "forgive" them for their lack of understanding?

eh, sorry... i'll stop there. =(