Over populated?

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

Your right... we do teach what we know. That means we should be teaching what we know to be bad along with what we know to be good. The traditional way to do this is reward/punishment. Bad behaivor gets punishment, Good gets reward. People don't do that anymore. True punishment has been declared child abuse. I'm sorry... Spank that spoiled rotten little monster once in a while and it will stop being a spoiled rotten little monster.

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Not being able to sit down for a couple days kept me from ending up a criminal when I grew up... I was seriously more scared of my dad than the police... all they can do is arrest you or shoot you "while trying to escape", he on the other hand had a belt.

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

There are currently 6.5 BILLION people on this planet.

And that is with all the war, poverty, pestilence, diseases, etc that we have going on.

If moron hippy lovey dovey shitheads had their way, this place would be bursting at the seams and there would not be enough food to go around.

I'm all for population control in many forms.

Poor people should be sterilized after x amount of kids, if they lose one let them adopt.

People with ridiculously low IQs should be sterilized.

People with extremely high IQs should be governmentally funded to produce more children.

ANYONE found positive for HIV should be sterilized.

Sex offenders of a certain degree should be sterilized.

More crimes should carry the death penalty, which should be used in all 50 states.

The border with Mexico should be walled and guarded by the active Army and Marines, any and all illegals of any nationality should be sterilized (no matter their age) and returned to their country of origin.

And cptdeath, AIDS cannot be cured... we have absolutely no cures for virii, not even the common cold.

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much of this, though unsavory is reasonable.

A cheap way to enforce population control: cut off foreign aid and when the big flu hits, dont help china and india. Bam, problem solved by: God, Nature, indifference, evil, realistic views of population control, darwinism,or isolationism (this way everyone gets to choose why it happened to best suit their own motivations and levels of insanity/intelligence.

[sass_in_the_pants]

There are currently 6.5 BILLION people on this planet.

And that is with all the war, poverty, pestilence, diseases, etc that we have going on.

If moron hippy lovey dovey shitheads had their way, this place would be bursting at the seams and there would not be enough food to go around.

I'm all for population control in many forms.

Poor people should be sterilized after x amount of kids, if they lose one let them adopt.

People with ridiculously low IQs should be sterilized.

People with extremely high IQs should be governmentally funded to produce more children.

ANYONE found positive for HIV should be sterilized.

Sex offenders of a certain degree should be sterilized.

More crimes should carry the death penalty, which should be used in all 50 states.

The border with Mexico should be walled and guarded by the active Army and Marines, any and all illegals of any nationality should be sterilized (no matter their age) and returned to their country of origin.

And cptdeath, AIDS cannot be cured... we have absolutely no cures for virii, not even the common cold.

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Forced sterilization? Did you ask China about this? Because they seem to think it's a brilliant idea. I think they put out a handbook on it. If you'd like to read more, here's a bit I pulled from an article on the web:

"After she was sterilized, her husband rejected her with the justification of what good is a chicken who cannot lay an egg? She was beaten and tortured by him and has tried repeatedly to commit suicide but, without government approval, her tubes cannot be reconnected and she can never have children again."

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlr...hfa49740_0f.htm

But you didn't want everyone sterilized, just the people you saw unfit to reproduce, like the poor, right? Because poor people are unfit parents? Because smart people are better parents?

much of this, though unsavory is reasonable.

A cheap way to enforce population control: cut off foreign aid and when the big flu hits, dont help china and india.  Bam, problem solved by: God, Nature, indifference, evil, realistic views of population control, darwinism,or isolationism (this way everyone gets to choose why it happened to best suit their own motivations and levels of insanity/intelligence.

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Don't help china and india if a big flu hits? Funny, and all this time I thought each life had inherent dignity, not just the rich ones. Stupid little me. Maybe I should be sterilized.

[Hellheart]

I tend to throw the overpopulation problem at anti-abortionists if they refuse to believe that there is no way in hell that there are enough families wanting adoption to cover all the births that would come if abortions were not performed. It won't be serious for quite some time now, particularly if genetic modification results in much larger yields such as that in the Green Revolution, but it's still a problem.

The problem here in Michigan is far more of a job market problem, particularly in the Detroit ghettoes where they don't even have the transportation to get anywhere near locations with jobs. Then they'd be competing with people with more education who simply can't find better work. It's a mess here.

My view on kids is: if you can't always control your emotions and have patience, at least enough to not...lash out or totally distance, kids are a bad idea. I have trouble being patient with irrational people that I inherently dislike, so I will always dislike kids.

I do, of course, love messing with kids. I don't play fair, it's much more fun to disappoint people by not going along with their little games :cheerful

[Soulrev]

We're not overpopulated, as a country. I can't remember specifics but I heard on Rush Limbaugh's talk radio show that you could stick everyone in the world, 1 person per 1250 sq/ft house, in Texas. If Texas were a huge housing development. This is true, too, if you research it and do the math.

Besides just looking at populations of various states in our country, states like Wyoming and Montana that have under 300,000 residents... I think we're ok.

Local and state economic issues vary based on the area. But I find it hard to believe you can blame job market problems on overpopulation. How about poor local governments?

[kellygrrrrrl]

This subject could also bring in conversation of the natural order of things.

You know, like in nature. If we didn't have modern technology and medicine, and all that, the population issues would take care of itself.

In nature AND a million years ago, we didn't have all that. Animals will kill thier mamed young, because they can't survive on thier own. If they are defective, they kill them.

I know it's a "Thin-Line" type of thing.

Where do you cross the line? What is Killing?

I saw this program about a little girl born with out a face. Had she not been modified surgically and extensively as she had she would not have survived on her own. At birth they immediately implanted tubes in her mouth to breath, a feeding tube to her stomach, and something like 10+ surgeries before she was 2 years old. She has a normal functioning brain, but has to be fed through a tube, has to have her throat sucked out because she doesn't have the ability to swallow, is on a breathing machine, can't talk, can barely hear, is blind in one eye, just to name a few of the things. Her face is so deformed. Born with a major cleft so her palat between her mouth and nose is non-existant. No jaw. it is truely one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Ever. I don't even know what I would think if my child was born like that. Seriously. The little girl is so sweet, and is like a normal child, but the circumstances, and the pain and misery this child has to go through is so sad.

But without the medical treatment she was given, she would have not survived.

I mean, I believe in the natural order of things, but on the other hand, I have not expirienced this type of decision making to really fully understand what it is like to have to make a decision like that. You know?

I found some pix of the little girl

[Hellheart]

My comment on the job market was more in a reply to the changing culture here in America, particularly in the young. People who are unable to find a job naturally gravitate towards violent or criminal behavior, because what the hell else are they going to do? The job market problem, in and of itself, is the result of outsourcing and global competition, as Michigan was a primarily industrial country. When the manufacturing jobs moved out of poor areas, there was nothing left for them; the few people in those areas who are successful tend to move away so they can actually get a job.

I find the "stick everyone in a house in one spot" thing as pathetic, but it does keep some mathematicians in work. As a country, yes, we aren't overpopulated. The thing is, there's a huge number of factories and businesses that also take up room. And then there's churches, governmental buildings, NPO's. And then there's warehouses, tons and tons of warehouses. And then there's farmland, as we don't like importing food, at all. And then there's grazing land, can't forget that. And how about airport runways?

We still have a lot of room left. But I hate simplification statistics. We have many densely-populated cities. The poor within those cities lack the money to move out of them. But of course, they keep having children. These children, naturally, are also poor, and consequently can't move out. America doesn't have an overpopulation problem. Poor areas in America certainly do. And that's where a lot of the violence and antisocial behavior will come from. The more human life there is around you, and the less healthy those lives are, the less value human life has.

[Guest Megalicious]

damnit Kelly Now Im crying .....

Because the sad fact is I would have let her die, I wouldnt want to live that way, Why in hell would I force it upon an inoccent child, Just because I was selfish and wanted to spare myself guilt... ? Poor thing ....

That is so sad.

[saechalyn]

damnit Kelly Now Im crying .....

Because the sad fact is I would have let her die, I wouldnt want to live that way, Why in hell would I force it upon an inoccent child, Just because I was selfish and wanted to spare myself guilt... ? Poor thing ....

That is so sad.

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Agreed on all points.

[Homicidalheathen]

Yes we should have population control. Just make me your queen, anyone I deemed an asshole gets shot in the head. How's that for control?

Seriously though.....who decides what babies get to live? Should we be like China, first born only? Because I was the third....and I was the best. Hee hee. Oh and I had twins. Do you kill the one that comes out second?

[The_Dark]

According to the current Census information people are moving out of the big citys in large numbers. Not just rich people either. People of all walks of life have started to flee our large citys.

I do have to directly comment on something said by Hellheart about the Farm land and importing food. Did you know that at one point in time the USA was known as the "Bread Basket" of the world? Did you know that we have more viable farm land that any other nation in the world? In our near past we produced so much Grain and produce that we could not sell it before it went to waste. Hence the government programs to pay people to Not farm. If we actually used every bit of Farm land we had to it's potential, we could literaly feed the world. At one point in time we did. Unfortunalty, Politics and Economics get in the way. Right now, if we switch to Ethanol as our main fuel it would be a major boon to our economy. It would put farmers back to work growing Corn and grains. It would create jobs for people to ship that raw material, process it and refine it. on top of that, it's self sustaining. It would also help the enviroment as the crops would be taking more CO2 out of the atmosphere. Rotate the crops so as to not deplete the soild and we would avoid another Dust Bowl.

[Homicidalheathen]

I agree to a point, is it a matter of population control or control of urban sprawl that will do us in....but at some point, all of the water will be so poluted I think we will see more and more deformities and whatnot.

[torn asunder]

I do have to directly comment on something said by Hellheart about the Farm land and importing food. Did you know that at one point in time the USA was known as the "Bread Basket" of the world? Did you know that we have more viable farm land that any other nation in the world? In our near past we produced so much Grain and produce that we could not sell it before it went to waste. Hence the government programs to pay people to Not farm. If we actually used every bit of Farm land we had to it's potential, we could literaly feed the world. At one point in time we did. Unfortunalty, Politics and Economics get in the way. Right now, if we switch to Ethanol as our main fuel it would be a major boon to our economy. It would put farmers back to work growing Corn and grains. It would create jobs for people to ship that raw material, process it and refine it. on top of that, it's self sustaining. It would also help the enviroment as the crops would be taking more CO2 out of the atmosphere. Rotate the crops so as to not deplete the soild and we would avoid another Dust Bowl.

right on, man!! you sure you're not gonna run for governor!?

[The_Dark]

Sure.. stroke my ego.

[torn asunder]

Sure.. stroke my ego.

what!?!? i need someone to vote for...