Your opinions on Sept 11

[Hellion]

:devil I am not going to express my opinions on this subject,cause it might offend some people,but share your opinions on what you think might have caused it,or who really is at fault.

try to be cival about it.

[phee]

That would be a long post my friend...

I try to sum up

---US government ignored warning signs---

---Middle East has a buttload of religious fanatics---

---Very unbalanced Middle Eastern Policy from the US---

---Too much red tape---

---Ignorence in a region where powers that be paint the US as nothing but Evil---

---Culture clash and resentment resulting in the "have nots" hating the "haves"

To start with

[Hellion]

That would be a long post my friend...

I try to sum up

---US government ignored warning signs---

---Middle East has a buttload of religious fanatics---

---Very unbalanced Middle Eastern Policy from the US---

---Too much red tape---

---Ignorence in a region where powers that be paint the US as nothing but Evil---

---Culture clash and resentment resulting in the "have nots" hating the "haves"

To start with

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:devil Thats a good start

[Scary Guy]

Our own government. Granted maybe they didn't fly the plains but they did nothing to stop it.

http://www.question911.com/links.php

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Our own government.  Granted maybe they didn't fly the plains but they did nothing to stop it.

http://www.question911.com/links.php

That's kind of an impression I got

[Blackmail]

Our own government.  Granted maybe they didn't fly the plains but they did nothing to stop it.

http://www.question911.com/links.php

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yopu're kidding me?

[Scary Guy]

yopu're kidding me?

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I'm sorry is that sarcasim? It's lost over the net you know.

But no, I'm not, and yes I am one of "THEM".

[Blackmail]

There was no conspiracy. If there was, it would take hundreds of people to keep quiet and all would have to agree to do something that if caught, would be treason and punishable by death.

We've had the 9/11 commission.

Let's stop with this conspiracy crap. Did you read the link you gave us? The guy tried to reconstruct his own mini WTC and burned it, it did not collapse.....and he used that as evidence?

So does that mean if I grill tofu on the barbecue and the whole thing doesn't collapse, that is proof that there was a 9/11 conspiracy?

[Scary Guy]

Well that's not exact evidence, but there are other factors in it that do make it sound extremely fishy.

[HipsterDufus]

Well that's not exact evidence, but there are other factors in it that do make it sound extremely fishy.

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Anyone ever see the South Park where they're supposedly going to show the image of Muhammed and they give the kids a "racial sensitivity" class? Mr. Garrison basically says that there's several reason Islamic people are pissed

1) They can't have sex until they're married.

2) Their religion prohibits them from masturbating

3) They live in a hot nasty climate

So there you have it. No sex, no masturbating, and you've got sand in your ass-crack. Wouldn't you be pissed too?

(And no, I don't actually think these are the reasons 9/11 happened)

[BrassFusion]

There was no conspiracy.  If there was, it would take hundreds of people to keep quiet and all would have to agree to do something that if caught, would be treason and punishable by death.

We've had the 9/11 commission. 

Let's stop with this conspiracy crap.  Did you read the link you gave us?  The guy tried to reconstruct his own mini WTC and burned it, it did not collapse.....and he used that as evidence?   

So does that mean if I grill tofu on the barbecue and the whole thing doesn't collapse, that is proof that there was a 9/11 conspiracy?

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It would be much scarier to me if people DIDN'T question the possibility of government conspiracy.

Let's assume the government was actually behind the attacks, for a moment. How would that look any different from what's happening now? We know there are cover-ups, we just don't know how bad the stuff they're covering up is. What if we all bought into their lies? Would they do it again?

[Blackmail]

It would be much scarier to me if people DIDN'T question the possibility of government conspiracy.

Let's assume the government was actually behind the attacks, for a moment. How would that look any different from what's happening now? We know there are cover-ups, we just don't know how bad the stuff they're covering up is. What if we all bought into their lies? Would they do it again?

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We already had a 9/11 commission. We've had other investigations already. Yet people believe stuff they read on the internet rather than people who did actual investigations. That's the scary part.

[BrassFusion]

We already had a 9/11 commission.  We've had other investigations already.  Yet people believe stuff they read on the internet rather than people who did actual investigations.  That's the scary part.

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If the attacks were part of a government conspiracy, they would still form the 9/11 commission. And what proof do you have that it wasn't corrupt?

[Blackmail]

If the attacks were part of a government conspiracy, they would still form the 9/11 commission. And what proof do you have that it wasn't corrupt?

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You don't have to prove something wasn't corrupt. You have the burden of proof when you're the one doing the accusing. Prove a conspiracy existed. Prove the 911 commission was corrupt. So far all there is silly internet articles by people who were not there, did not have access that other investigators did, and most likjely, live with their parents in the basement.

Unless of course, you think I have the responsibility to debunk every internet rumor.

[BrassFusion]

You don't have to prove something wasn't corrupt.  You have the burden of proof when you're the one doing the accusing.  Prove a conspiracy existed.  Prove the 911 commission was corrupt.  So far all there is silly internet articles by people who were not there, did not have access that other investigators did, and most likjely, live with their parents in the basement.   

Unless of course, you think I have the responsibility to debunk every internet rumor.

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It is the way of the sheep to have faith without question. It is the way of man to question everything he's told- especially when malicious possibilities exist.

Our government accused Al Qaeda, and in time, Iraq, for the attacks. The onus is therefore on them to prove THAT accusation. With the evidence I've seen, I won't reject the possibility that we've all been misled. But then... I'm rather intelligent and objective.

[Blackmail]

It is the way of the sheep to have faith without question. It is the way of man to question everything he's told- especially when malicious possibilities exist.

Our government accused Al Qaeda, and in time, Iraq, for the attacks. The onus is therefore on them to prove THAT accusation. With the evidence I've seen, I won't reject the possibility that we've all been misled. But then... I'm rather intelligent and objective.

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Did you even answer anything I posted above? :erm

[BrassFusion]

Did you even answer anything I posted above?  :erm

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You have to ask a question to expect it to be answered, but I'll give you one for free.

I am convinced by no side of the argument regarding the cause of the attacks on September 11th, 2001.

And anyone who thinks he knows exactly what happened in entirety is either lying or delusional. So I'll keep an open mind.

[Blackmail]

And anyone who thinks he knows exactly what happened in entirety is either lying or delusional. So I'll keep an open mind.

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And your reason for saying this has no evidence. You can question all you want, people do it on the internet all the time. The people who actually investigated determined there was no conspiracy. Other than a few thousand people on the internet, we all know Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center and they have admitted it several times. Believe what you want to believe but people also believe that the end of the world is coming next week.

[BrassFusion]

And your reason for saying this has no evidence.  You can question all you want, people do it on the internet all the time.  The people who actually investigated determined there was no conspiracy.  Other than a few thousand people on the internet, we all know Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center and they have admitted it several times.    Believe what you want to believe but people also believe that the end of the world is coming next week.

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The commission may have been corrupt; and though they're unprofessional, it seems less likely that independents would have ulterior motives.

And how charming... I have no evidence for saying that no one has enough evidence... *giggle*

It's so cute that you think I'm actively railing against the possibility that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks. I thought I'd made it clear by now that I have no firm belief in any part of it... much less doomsday prophecies.

[Blackmail]

The commission may have been corrupt; and though they're unprofessional, it seems less likely that independents would have ulterior motives.

And how charming... I have no evidence for saying that no one has enough evidence... *giggle*

It's so cute that you think I'm actively railing against the possibility that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks. I thought I'd made it clear by now that I have no firm belief in any part of it... much less doomsday prophecies.

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Right. We've determined you're questioning things for the sake of questioning them and doubting the investigations done based on absolutely nothing. Sweet! You should try out for the debate club!

[BrassFusion]

Right.  We've determined you're questioning things for the sake of questioning them and doubting the investigations done based on absolutely nothing.  Sweet!  You should try out for the debate club!

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I almost wish I could disagree with what you just said here, but... yeah. I question authority and preconceived notions.

You should try out for cheerleading. Just cuz it would be so darn cute. *cheek pinch*

[phee]

*Raises an eyebrow*

[torn asunder]

The people who actually investigated determined there was no conspiracy. 

honestly, the idea of blind faith in this regard troubles me if for no other reason than that (as i understand it - please correct me if i'm wrong) the government appointed that commision to make the investigation. that would be parallel, say, to a sheriff's department that's being investigated for a murder appointing a committe, from their own personnel, to investigate whether they did it or not. based solely on that idea, i think it's a bit foolish/naive to just accept the 9/11 committees assessment of the situation, unless, of course, they actually are an independant, external committe with no ties to the government, or any of those involved. if that's the case, i'll shut up!

[sinmantyx]

Right.  We've determined you're questioning things for the sake of questioning them and doubting the investigations done based on absolutely nothing.  Sweet!  You should try out for the debate club!

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Yep.

At least my Uncle Adrianne, who believes that HIV was created by the U.S. government to kill gays and black people, used to send me huge envelopes of hard-copies of circumstantial evidence. He also plays bluegrass music and is no longer welcome into Canada.

[sinmantyx]

i think it's a bit foolish/naive to just accept the 9/11 committees assessment of the situation, unless, of course, they actually are an independant, external committe with no ties to the government, or any of those involved. if that's the case, i'll shut up! 

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Man, in the age of google you'd think that you would have found this. Just click on each member of the commission for a bio. Neat huh?