Suicide.

[Homicidalheathen]

Yah, I have thought about it. Once because I was down on my luck.....I felt that was just being sorry for myself. Once because I was in extreme pain.....now that......seems justified......I did almost die....but......glad I fought because I am still here.

The point? None. Just curious what you all think. Do you think your 'soul' gets a second 'chance' after doing something like this or that your condemned to eternal damnation if you do?

Someone I know well, his 21 yr old daughter just killed herself.....and a freind was thinking about it last week who too, is young and has his whole life ahead of him.....

I just can't understand why so many young people want to kill themselves these days.

I look at all the suffering going on in other countries and wonder how these people hold on.......they seem so much worse off yet want to live.

[Homicidalheathen]

check this out.

http://www.who.int/mental_health/preventio...uiciderates/en/

[BrassFusion]

I personally don't believe a soul is condemned for suicide- that's another myth that folks seem to address every time they write a new religious text, and I think it's because no one wants to see their friends and family die by their own hand. It's tragic, and sad. I had a friend who killed himself three years ago, and we still think about him a lot.

But his life wasn't for us- it was his. He made his decision (yeah, it was probably a stupid, selfish one, especially considering he left a young daughter) and followed through with it. The thing that should keep people from offing themselves should be the realization that you've had- there will be better times, and it would be worth it to stay alive.

That all goes double and triple for me because I don't even believe in an afterlife. I feel that if I killed myself, odds are 10:1 that it would just be the end of consciousness. Not that that would be such a bad thing, but almost ANY consciousness has the potential to be better than that.

[Steven]

I dont beleive your punished for taking your own life.

in fact where that beleif comes from I have no idea, its certainly not a bibical teaching.

but I do beleive its a shame to take yourself out. For obvious reasons. ANd you do end up wounding those who loved you that you leave behind, your legacy is a painful one.

and you raise a good question about youth and suicide.

personally, I just dont ebleive tha tthe youth of today is as equipped to deal with hardship as it once was. In fact I dont think that we even teach our youth to deal anymore, instead we teach them escapism prop them up pharmecutically and wonder why they have no long term coping tools. I also think that relativism can sometimes be a hinderance. It seems to leave you with little to cling to in trying times.

[Soulrev]

I dont beleive your punished for taking your own life.

in fact where that beleif comes from I have no idea, its certainly not a bibical teaching.

You're joking, right? I mean if you are in fact talking about the Christian Bible, you must be joking? There's several places in the bible it speaks of suicide, and the consequences of such actions.

[BrassFusion]

You're joking, right? I mean if you are in fact talking about the Christian Bible, you must be joking? There's several places in the bible it speaks of suicide, and the consequences of such actions.

This would be a great time to quote a line or two.

[Vampyro]

I've often noticed in many ocasions the bible does contradict its self. I belive that's one of the main reasons why there's soo many different types of christianity, ranging from adventists, catholics, christians, protestants, baptists, ect. Even the Satanic religeon is in it's own bizzare circle, is a branch of Christianity. Need my reasoning? The Devil, Satan, Lucifer, was created by god as his arch angel of light, the mourning star (possibly an anology for truth?). Lucifer was favored by god, and thus was the first angel to be given a free will, in wich he chalenged god's authority, wich made god all butt-hurt, a big chaotic war went about, god won (the bully), and cast Lucifer, the arch angel of light, into hell and deformed him into a demonic presence as Satan, The Devil himself. So, in order to belive Lucifer/Satan exists, you must belive the story in wich he came to existance, wich is by god/christ, thus it is Christian based... just a very different form to the extreme.

Ok, but back to the suicide, I'm more of a beliver in fate, meaning our life is already played out, like watching a movie that you can't rewind or fast forward, or put on pause. In short, I belive we all have a ticket to the otherside on a planned day already unknown to us until it's time. This will probably be the only time you hear my serious opinion on suicide. I do not think suicide is selfish. I think it's sad, but like an accident or other forms and causes of unnatural death. A suicide victim, in order to acheive such a goal, has to have some logical reasoning and/or, traditional, and/or, great emotional and/or physical agony. I also belive that no one has any right at all whatsoever, to force their opinions and beliefs on another as to how they choose to live life, or possibly take it. Suicide IS a personal choice I belive everyone has the right to do, it's their life. It's not something I would personally agree to do to myself, but I won't sit there and criticize another for doing so.

If anyone thinks suicide as selfish, let me say a question for you to ask yourself. What makes it not selfish or you to wish for someone else, who is going through severe considerable pain that you do not feel, to stay around so you can see them in their misery just because you would miss them? If it's emotional, there's ways to reach out to them to keep them from this, to give them hope ect. A good tell tale sign of someone who REALLY is suicidal is if they withdrawl and hide from others. Crying suicide is most often just a cry for help. Those who really intend on doing it often keep their plans a secret. Alot of it is if you have someone you care about, and they're thinking of it, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL SOMETHING AINT RIGHT WITH YOUR CLOSE FRIEND!!!!!! And for you to do nothing, even in name of ignorance, is no excuse. IT's just sad, not selfish.

[Homicidalheathen]

I really want to know what the bible says about suicide if anything........

[Homicidalheathen]

Chronicles 10:3-7. Saul's justification for committing suicide was that because of his injuries, if the Philistines arrived, he would be abused and killed by uncircumcised men.

Um, what does a foreskin have to do with anything?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_bibl.htm

[Hellion]

IMO If I have nothing to live for

and have lost everything in my life

no matter what it was,whats the use of

suffering,suffering is worse than dying.

there is no law that says you have to suffer.

this is just my opinion,no one needs to agree with it.

[Paper Hearts]

Suicide was a pretty good band.

[Gothmama25]

Its against the law to attempt or commit suicide.

[AntiHero]

Considered it when I was a lot younger, but obviously didn't do it. The thought had come to miy mind in my darker moments but realized that I haven't truly seen rock bottom. When I finally reach an all time low, then I'll put more serious thought into it, but I just don't think I could.

[Steven]

You're joking, right? I mean if you are in fact talking about the Christian Bible, you must be joking? There's several places in the bible it speaks of suicide, and the consequences of such actions.

I own many bibles, and actually crack em open.

Please do share with me specifically where you drawing from.

If I am mistaken, then I shall apologize.

If I am not, then I shall suggest, merely suggest, that a great deal of what is presented as common knowledge throughout Christendom is really not biblical at all.

which makes ya think a wee bit.......

[Steven]

Chronicles 10:3-7. Saul's justification for committing suicide was that because of his injuries, if the Philistines arrived, he would be abused and killed by uncircumcised men.

Um, what does a foreskin have to do with anything?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_bibl.htm

the foreskin represented those who were outside of covenent with the god of Israel. They were uncircumsized - circumsizion (sp???) was symbolic of this covenent between Jews and YHWH.

This passage your quoting regarding suicide.....is it REALLY about suicide?

If you study the history of Saul - you'll see an extrememly prideful and chaotic man who's lifestyle and decisions were wildly erratic and who's kingdom sufferred considerably because of it.

To me, especially in light of knowing about Saul and his charactor, this passage your referrign to is merely the means to an end of man who was annointed by God, and yet lived a life soely on his own power, a defeated life at that.

[Steven]

I really want to know what the bible says about suicide if anything........

I could be wrong Love, but if I'm remeberring correctly there will be various depctions of suicide found in its pages, but no actual direct teaching about suicide, or quotes from YHWH or Christ concerning it it.

If I understand correctly (and I could be way off) it is actually the Catholic church who introduced the concept of Damnation following suicide. But the Catholic church introduced MANY concepts that are not biblically founded in any way. Like um, the position fo the Pope, and the Pope's being without sin, and church confessionals, and sainthood in how its declared and granted, and Holy Men needing to be unmarried, or poor for that matter, and praying to Mary and praying to Saints and such.

[HipsterDufus]

As far as the reasoning behind why more people are committing suicide, I've developed my own ideas about that. Let's take a really broad look at humanity and earth in general. The human population keeps on expanding. This results in more expensive land, more pollution, and more demand for resources in general. Unless you're one of the "lucky" ones who are way up there on the socioeconomic food chain, those being honest with themselves know that the competition for resources will only increase as you age (this is especially important if you're young and you've got 60+ years of life ahead of you). And when I say resources, I'm not even talking about natural resources. I'm talking about education, jobs, etc. Look at education and how the costs for that have sky-rocketed! I couldn't even afford college when I went 7 years ago, so I had to drop out. How much worse for kids is it now? And how much worse is it going to be in the future? And then what kind of job market do kids have to look forward to? Especially those who do not have the mental aptitude or interest in becoming doctors/engineers/lawyers/scientists. Not everyone is inclined towards those fields. If you're one of these people, what do you have to look forward to after college? A shite job market that's moving all of our basic jobs to India and China. In a world of booming population, it becomes even more difficult to feel like your particular life is important and necessary. How can you avoid feeling like a number or a cog in a machine after you've walked around in a place like New York City? And if you're one of the really unlucky ones, you're inclined towards art as your life path. With the information age, musicians are having a harder time than ever getting signed, selling CDs (why buy when you can download them for free), and making a living doing what they love. The same goes for every other form of art as well. Information spreads like wildfire through the Internet and by the time you think you've done something unique and original, you've already found 10 artists like you through google. Is it any wonder that people feel hopeless? This is the question I've struggled with myself over and over again: what makes my life worthwhile? What makes my existence necessary and important? I have a hard time answering those questions. If I did not have Sarah and a decent relationship with my family, I'd probably off myself. They're what keep me going. But I can not seem to find any deeper meaning in my own life and try to deny myself the opportunity to dwell on it too much. I think that many others feel the same as me.

[Homicidalheathen]

I too, think modern peoples are a bit whimpy and thats why the rates are higher......and I am sure I am going to get bashed for saying so but there ya go.

I think people are spoiled....however the rates seem higher among young white males in areas of a economically depressed area.

I dont beleive your punished for taking your own life.

in fact where that beleif comes from I have no idea, its certainly not a bibical teaching.

but I do beleive its a shame to take yourself out. For obvious reasons. ANd you do end up wounding those who loved you that you leave behind, your legacy is a painful one.

and you raise a good question about youth and suicide.

personally, I just dont ebleive tha tthe youth of today is as equipped to deal with hardship as it once was. In fact I dont think that we even teach our youth to deal anymore, instead we teach them escapism prop them up pharmecutically and wonder why they have no long term coping tools. I also think that relativism can sometimes be a hinderance. It seems to leave you with little to cling to in trying times.

[HipsterDufus]

I too, think modern peoples are a bit whimpy and thats why the rates are higher......and I am sure I am going to get bashed for saying so but there ya go.

I think people are spoiled....however the rates seem higher among young white males in areas of a economically depressed area.

I can see what you're saying. I can't speak for how tough people were before, since I never lived back then. However, I'll stand by what I said; I think there are greater pressures now on people than ever before.

[TygerLili]

I don't necessarily think that one's soul is condemned(though I'm not sure how much I believe in that idea anyway) for committing suicide. What about elderly and/or terminally ill people who commit suicide because they're in pain and know they're not going to get any better? Should they be condemned? I thought recent statistics showed that more elderly people commit suicide than young people, though I could be wrong, I have no data to back that up at this time.

I personally I have never even been close to seriously wanting to kill myself. However I have always said that if I were to decide to do it, I'd be sure to pick a method fatal enough to kill me the first time. I'm sure I'll get a lot of flack for this, but I really have no patience with people who "attempt" suicide, and then brag about it later. If you're serious about doing it, do it right, if not there are other ways to get attention.

[tabycat]

I think suffereing is subjective and to some the mental pain is just too strong and they just don't see any other possible way out. It is a sad fact that it is one of the leading causes of death for young people. Sorry to hear about your friends. I think that we are not condemned for what we do because I believe we live in hell on earth and it seems like such an easy place to leave at times.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Daily.

[DarkVampire]

Reincarnation is my belief.

If you take your own life, it just means that you did not accomplish the task or life lesson in this life. It just means that when you are reborn next time, you will still have to learn the life lesson or task in that life. Existence is a constant cycle we go through.

[Homicidalheathen]

I read a book once about how the women of this Native American tribe......would go into the woods alone and let themselves freeze do Death upon becomming no longer useful, and actually a burden to their families and tribes because of sickness.....old age.....and non productivity. It seems cold to us. But if you were living in such harsh conditions...it seems to me.....like a rather noble and brave and unselfish thing to do. I don't see how one's essence would be condemned or lost in this case.....well.....maybe lost.....but not condemned.

[Paper Hearts]

I just bit off a bit of my tongue.