This Is Sick.

[bean]

One last thing, and then I'm done:

A six year old knows that having a dick shoved inside them is wrong. They don't need anyone to tell them that.

[sinmantyx]

As I said before, I'm only referring to the fucks that molest children, not the rest of it.

The license plate thing is fucked up. I can agree with that.

I'm done. I've wasted enough time and energy banging my head against a wall.

Yeah, I know. I appreciate that distinction! I'm making parallels with current practice (of various kinds). I'm not making parallels with what might be standard practice if the law was revised. (Which I know we both believe it should be.)

I definitely agree that there is a big difference between persecuting someone for what they have done and oppressing someone for who they are. The techniques of persecuting the guilty however, should still be critically examined to ensure that we (as those endorsing or actually using those techniques) secure our own humanity....even when dealing with the worst of the worst.

[bean]

^That I can agree with.

[Homicidalheathen]

' before the Nazis got a hold of it and turned it to slime, it was a symbol of good luck "

But true. I would never use it now...I think the energy has been tainted. Although I did find the symbol on a tiny pill I aquired recently (dont ask dont tell) and I got it from a black guy. Which is rather Ironic don't you think?

[Homicidalheathen]

I don't understand everyone trying to make excuses for Lewis Carrol these days.

Can't one be, a great writer...artist.....addict....AND pedophile?

[sinmantyx]

I don't understand everyone trying to make excuses for Lewis Carrol these days.

Can't one be, a great writer...artist.....addict....AND pedophile?

Yep: Just like you can be a great politician and a slave owner...or whatever.

One aspect of a person (by definition) does not define them. Why make excuses? --- because some people need to make excuses so that they can admire someone without feeling bad about it. It's just another symptom of the human need to catagorize everything as either "good" or "bad".

I don't think interesting people need to be perfect people, or role models, etc. Sometimes you have to take what is good and just leave the rest lie...no need for polly-anna unrealistic hero worship here.

[BrassFusion]

One last thing, and then I'm done:

A six year old knows that having a dick shoved inside them is wrong. They don't need anyone to tell them that.

Bullcrap!!!

I knew that when I was 6, if anyone else caught me touching myself, they'd SAY it was wrong and I'd feel guilty and embarassed, but that's all I "knew..."

The only reason they "know" it's wrong to have sex at that age is because we pound it into their skulls.

[bean]

Bullcrap!!!

I knew that when I was 6, if anyone else caught me touching myself, they'd SAY it was wrong and I'd feel guilty and embarassed, but that's all I "knew..."

The only reason they "know" it's wrong to have sex at that age is because we pound it into their skulls.

There is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a 6 year old touching themselves and a 6 year old getting raped.

If you haven't been in that sort of situation you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about.

Were you raped at 6? Do you know what that's like? You don't need anyone to tell you that shit is fucking wrong. You just KNOW.

And don't you fucking DARE try to argue about that being rape.

[Scary Guy]

There is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a 6 year old touching themselves and a 6 year old getting raped.

If you haven't been in that sort of situation you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about.

Were you raped at 6? Do you know what that's like? You don't need anyone to tell you that shit is fucking wrong. You just KNOW.

And don't you fucking DARE try to argue about that being rape.

It's obviously rape, that was never in question. The statement here is that they don't know that it's wrong. Here's an amazing example of that fact. What do you see here? Look closely and THEN read the answer (it's more entertaining that way).

"Research has shown that young children cannot identify the intimate couple because they do not have prior memory associated with such a scenario.

What they will see are the nine dolphins.

If it takes you longer than three seconds to see the dolphins, your mind is heavily biased in favor of perceiving the intimate couple"

[sinmantyx]

There is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a 6 year old touching themselves and a 6 year old getting raped.

If you haven't been in that sort of situation you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about.

Were you raped at 6? Do you know what that's like? You don't need anyone to tell you that shit is fucking wrong. You just KNOW.

And don't you fucking DARE try to argue about that being rape.

Gosh: if this conversation weren't uncomfortable enough as it is. There are some situations where the young person is not going to perceive what is happening as wrong (until, of course, they are most likely asked to keep it a secret)...and there are DEFINITELY situations where the young person is going to understand that what is happening is uncomfortable (or even painful), strange and...*wrong*.

Without trying to detail those specific situations or go into some sort of conjecture about how children may or may not react to them...I'll just say that I think it is better not to impose judgments on the child or impose expectations on the child. It makes more sense to react to how the child actually feels than to allow your own anger and outrage to reinforce the trauma that the child may have experienced.

That was my point.

I definitely don't think that "society" is the ONLY reason a young person may be traumatized by an inappropriate experience imposed on them by someone who should be responsible for protecting them and not using them. It's not an appropriate way to be introduced to sexuality in our culture. However, beyond cultural norms: considering physiological development and the ideals of informed consent: The situation you described earlier is *wrong* even with *cultural relativist* blinders on; and I'm not about to claim that a young person wouldn't come to the same conclusion without cultural reinforcement.

(Me = not cultural relativist believe-it-or-not)

[BrassFusion]

Let's see a show of digital hands. How many people here have been completely freaked out by being experimentally or accidentally touched by a young child in an "inappropriate" manner?

*silently raises hand*

Do I go to jail now?