Prostitution

[phee]

you guys keep referencing just one slice of my opposition to legalized prostitution.

ultimately I am against it for the bitter end results on a personal level to the participants, primarily the prostitute.

yes, freedom of choice and all, I do get that. I simply dont want to make what I think is a tragedy - EASIER by legalizing it. Legalization does not neccesarily equate to good, or even "better".

The majority of my argument has little to do with disease and abuse - my main concern (and you guys may think its none of my business but hey - I'm flawed that way by giving a shit about people) is the fracture to the psyche. it is very easy to be dismissive this way when you are safe and unaffected, because it doesent really touch you personally. And yet on teh flip side - si see so many people here in DGN and within this subculture who are jasded, without faith, without hope, without connection to each other, and I think this is part of teh problem....this "clinical" outlook on things.

and Phee - yes i have seen alot of things, this is true. I do not beleive however that it makes me an extremist, it simply makes my perspective "odd" in light of the subject matter - because you often argue from outside sources of information that I feel are tragically short sighted to a whole other dimension worth exploring. Its the same thign Im tryign to tell Chernobyl - that I dont care what Montell Williams tells you - once you look in the face of a littel kid who knows her mother is fucking bikers for money you see a different sort of dynamic that takes a life of its own.

in fact seldom if ever do I argue a "moral" perspective based soley on morality - I have a tendency to look at people and where they end up far more than I look at black and white and right and wrong.

I just don't pretend to be an expert on things... I have too much respect for the board to do that, I don't feel the need to try to undermine peoples ideas by telling them that I have seen more then them, and therefore they have less of a right to speak then I.

Along the subject though... We are talking about the psycology of prostitution, you are right I am not qualified to talk about the details of legal prostitution vs illegal prostitution, I have been to places where prostitution is legal, but was never curious enough to investigate...

As far as moms fucking bikers for money and the children involved.... well it sounds like that family had enough problems to begin with government or not, legalizing it would not make the problems go away, but if there was insurance, who knows, maybe it would cover the psychiatrist visits, as opposed to having no hope.

Morallity and Legality are very different things in a case like this... For example "smoking" it kills lots of people and is still legal... It gives moms lung cancer and their kids have to watch them die, it gives the kids second hand smoke, it sets a bad example, etc.... Do you also think that it should be illegal? That smokers deserve to go to prison because of the psychological and physical damage it causes? Just honestly curious...

[Destroit]

no babe, I offerrd up TV evidence because you did, it is the languiage you are comfy with, so I gave you some.

what I have seen, I have seen up close.

...now I'm just confused. I thought you said you never actually were around legal prostitutes...only illegal ones.

[phee]

What makes sex a tragedy? Everyone makes the choice to have sex. Whats makes getting paid for it a tragedy when compaired to not getting paid for it as a beautiful, wonderful natural thing?

Is everytime you have sex a tragedy or are you just pushing your personal beliefs on others again?

exactly...

[Destroit]

Morallity and Legality are very different things in a case like this... For example "smoking" it kills lots of people and is still legal... It gives moms lung cancer and their kids have to watch them die, it gives the kids second hand smoke, it sets a bad example, etc.... Do you also think that it should be illegal? That smokers deserve to go to prison because of the psychological and physical damage it causes? Just honestly curious...

That's a damn good point actually. Also, even worse, what about alcoholic mothers that get drunk and then rant and rave at their little kids? I can name several off the top of my head that I know personally.

Different topic, but I don't understand how tobacco/alcohol is legal but weed isn't. Baffles me ENTIRELY.

[JaneDead]

from a personal stand point i am AGAINST prostitution but i agree with this:

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax the ever loving hell out of it.

i don't agree with it but i don't think it should be illegal.

[Steven]

Well yes, I get that, and I do think it's a tragedy. But Steven, what makes you think that having it be illegal will make that woman stop? You think she cares? If she's going to do that for money anyway, she going to do it. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell that child that their mother was brutally murdered by a pimp/john, and legalizing it would help take out the violence.

It's almost like how some school districts are VERY illogical in teaching kids abstinence vs. protection. TEENS WILL HAVE SEX. So...knowing that, would you rather them live to be 25 or have them get HIV? Or would you rather have them dropout of high school from being pregnant, like alot of my "sheltered" friends did who were raised in a religious/moral family that told them sex is wrong instead of telling her how to protect her body?

You can't stop bad people and bad things from happening in the world. You can't save everyone. The best you can do is try to help their conditions, which I believe legalization would do.

I come from a different mindset, I am religious, but I come from a sect of Christianity that believes judgement should only be between the person and God. Would I ever prostitute? No, it's against my beliefs. Do I have the right to tell someone else not to? I'd advise them it isn't good, but anything further than that is not my business. It's between that person and God. Since the government isn't God, I believe they have no right in telling people what they can and can't do. That's all my opinion, that's where I'm coming from, which is why it should be legal.

Furthermore, Steven, what makes you think I haven't seen those children? Trust me, drug houses in Detroit/Hazel Park/Warren are full of them. Not something I'm proud of saying/seeing, but I've been in ALOT of them.

In a nutshell Chernobyl your asking to create an open legal provision because you beleive it will promote saftey.

i too - am asking that we do NOT open that conduit legally, because I beleive it will promote saftey.

[Steven]

That's a damn good point actually. Also, even worse, what about alcoholic mothers that get drunk and then rant and rave at their little kids? I can name several off the top of my head that I know personally.

Different topic, but I don't understand how tobacco/alcohol is legal but weed isn't. Baffles me ENTIRELY.

thats called child abuse, what you just described.

is it "good"?

Im not opting to take away alcohol.

but if you cant handle your business and your abusive to children - I do beleive that is wrong.

[Steven]

...now I'm just confused. I thought you said you never actually were around legal prostitutes...only illegal ones.

I misunderstood you then - yes you are correct - I have never been aorund LEGAL prostitution.

[Steven]

I just don't pretend to be an expert on things... I have too much respect for the board to do that, I don't feel the need to try to undermine peoples ideas by telling them that I have seen more then them, and therefore they have less of a right to speak then I.

Along the subject though... We are talking about the psycology of prostitution, you are right I am not qualified to talk about the details of legal prostitution vs illegal prostitution, I have been to places where prostitution is legal, but was never curious enough to investigate...

As far as moms fucking bikers for money and the children involved.... well it sounds like that family had enough problems to begin with government or not, legalizing it would not make the problems go away, but if there was insurance, who knows, maybe it would cover the psychiatrist visits, as opposed to having no hope.

Morallity and Legality are very different things in a case like this... For example "smoking" it kills lots of people and is still legal... It gives moms lung cancer and their kids have to watch them die, it gives the kids second hand smoke, it sets a bad example, etc.... Do you also think that it should be illegal? That smokers deserve to go to prison because of the psychological and physical damage it causes? Just honestly curious...

honestly Phee your wasting my time here.

and Im not in any way going to apologize for, or pretend I have not seen what I have seen because I dont have a PHD that satisfies PHEE. And respect for the board likewise has nothing to do with what I state to have seen or understand. But if I beleive you have NOT seen something up front that your describing, yes I may indeed bring it up, not because I tbhink it makes me more manly than a PHEE, but because I think you fail to recognize something important.

if you dont like the way that seems to affect you, I suppose thats just tough.

[Steven]

What makes sex a tragedy? Everyone makes the choice to have sex. Whats makes getting paid for it a tragedy when compaired to not getting paid for it as a beautiful, wonderful natural thing?

Is everytime you have sex a tragedy or are you just pushing your personal beliefs on others again?

Dude -

nobody said sex was a tragedy, quit playing games.

And yes, I did it again, and tommorow it might happen again, and the next day, and so on. Everybody in this place pushes their beleifs on everybody Donnie - your no exception, and Im going to say whatever I'm going to say regardles of how you may try to bait me or quote me out of context.

and although you may beelive that hooking is beautiful sex, and a wonderful natural thing, and in return I will ask you then why does it have to be paid for, who the fuck are you (the john) hiding it from, and just how fullfilled do you really think hookers are?

[Steven]

exactly...

exactly bullshit.

[Steven]

Well yes, I get that, and I do think it's a tragedy. But Steven, what makes you think that having it be illegal will make that woman stop? You think she cares? If she's going to do that for money anyway, she going to do it. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell that child that their mother was brutally murdered by a pimp/john, and legalizing it would help take out the violence.

It's almost like how some school districts are VERY illogical in teaching kids abstinence vs. protection. TEENS WILL HAVE SEX. So...knowing that, would you rather them live to be 25 or have them get HIV? Or would you rather have them dropout of high school from being pregnant, like alot of my "sheltered" friends did who were raised in a religious/moral family that told them sex is wrong instead of telling her how to protect her body?

You can't stop bad people and bad things from happening in the world. You can't save everyone. The best you can do is try to help their conditions, which I believe legalization would do.

I come from a different mindset, I am religious, but I come from a sect of Christianity that believes judgement should only be between the person and God. Would I ever prostitute? No, it's against my beliefs. Do I have the right to tell someone else not to? I'd advise them it isn't good, but anything further than that is not my business. It's between that person and God. Since the government isn't God, I believe they have no right in telling people what they can and can't do. That's all my opinion, that's where I'm coming from, which is why it should be legal.

Furthermore, Steven, what makes you think I haven't seen those children? Trust me, drug houses in Detroit/Hazel Park/Warren are full of them. Not something I'm proud of saying/seeing, but I've been in ALOT of them.

tell me your stories Chernobyl, tell me about your personal involvment with these people, describe yrou personal interaction with them. I will listen to you. And if I am wrong, then I will apologize to you publically.

[phee]

honestly Phee your wasting my time here.

and Im not in any way going to apologize for, or pretend I have not seen what I have seen because I dont have a PHD that satisfies PHEE. And respect for the board likewise has nothing to do with what I state to have seen or understand. But if I beleive you have NOT seen something up front that your describing, yes I may indeed bring it up, not because I tbhink it makes me more manly than a PHEE, but because I think you fail to recognize something important.

if you dont like the way that seems to affect you, I suppose thats just tough.

What am I describing?

And

Dude -

nobody said sex was a tragedy, quit playing games.

And yes, I did it again, and tommorow it might happen again, and the next day, and so on. Everybody in this place pushes their beleifs on everybody Donnie - your no exception, and Im going to say whatever I'm going to say regardles of how you may try to bait me or quote me out of context.

and although you may beelive that hooking is beautiful sex, and a wonderful natural thing, and in return I will ask you then why does it have to be paid for, who the fuck are you (the john) hiding it from, and just how fullfilled do you really think hookers are?

If you are complaining about it being called a tragedy... then how can you say that he called it beautiful and natural?

And BTW under this logic, why would anyone have to pay for anything? Food is natural, and yet we buy it.... and why would going to a prostitute connoate hiding? And honestly, I don't think I couold comment on if hookers are fulfilled or not, illegal or the legal ones? Can you?

[phee]

I think a lot of the responses in this thread have been very wrapped up in the respondant's moral stance on prostitution.

Like any other profession, it has it's sucessful, well rounded people, and it has it's fuck-ups. Honestly, you could make the same comparisons to any type of sex worker; phone sex operators, porn stars, whatever.

It's also quite literally, as they say, the "oldest profession".

It's not going anywhere.

Give people in this trade some rights and protections, and conditions will improve some.

I'm actually surprised no one's brought up porn in this thread. Essentially, its a similar enough trade; its a person having sex in exchange for money. It's just a little better regulated.

And this is also a point why porn this legal when prosititution is not? what is the big difference

[odims_sphere]

Dude -

nobody said sex was a tragedy, quit playing games.

Um.. you did:

yes, freedom of choice and all, I do get that. I simply dont want to make what I think is a tragedy - EASIER by legalizing it. Legalization does not neccesarily equate to good, or even "better".

Prostitution = Sex.

It's a tragedy when its against the will of one or more of the participants.

It's a tragedy when it has to be behind a dumpster of a dark ally.

It's a tragedy when she can't afford basic living expences because her pimp takes the majority of the profits.

It's a tragedy that pompous, self absorbed, self righteous people judge them based upon their profession having never met them, or know anything of the content of their character.

Legalization solves all of these except, (unfortunately), the last one. That one it would seem will be with us forever, just as prostitution will.

[Steven]

Um.. you did:

Prostitution = Sex.

It's a tragedy when its against the will of one or more of the participants.

It's a tragedy when it has to be behind a dumpster of a dark ally.

It's a tragedy when she can't afford basic living expences because her pimp takes the majority of the profits.

It's a tragedy that pompous, self absorbed, self righteous people judge them based upon their profession having never met them, or know anything of the content of their character.

Legalization solves all of these except, (unfortunately), the last one. That one it would seem will be with us forever, just as prostitution will.

I knew you'd do that.

back up.

re read the former posts.

what is the "tragedy" to which I'm referring to ????

[odims_sphere]

I knew you'd do that.

back up.

re read the former posts.

what is the "tragedy" to which I'm referring to ????

I've read it, re-read it and read it again.

You find it {prostitution} immoral. You equate immoral with a tragedy. That's fine, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You've made no tangable argument for keeping it illegal other that it's a "tragedy", or "immoral" or "wrong". those are personal opinions/ values that you hold dear to you, and that's admirable, however they are not reasons for keeping it illegal.

***continued thought***

Just because something is immoral doesn't mean it should be illegal. Hell I even think it's immoral, however who am I to push my opinions on others and tell them what they can and cannot sell.

I personally think smoking is immoral and "wrong" it's legal.

There are MANY people who think interracial marriage is immoral and wrong. Should it be illegal? Would that make things better for humanity if it were illegal?

[Destroit]

tell me your stories Chernobyl, tell me about your personal involvment with these people, describe yrou personal interaction with them. I will listen to you. And if I am wrong, then I will apologize to you publically.

Too personal for the board. I'm not outing myself on the board dealing with the places I've been and the kids I've been around. There's a reason I'm comfortable in Detroit, not just because I think it's pretty. I'm not some totally fucking hardened thug, but I've seen enough to know.

[sass_in_the_pants]

It is my understanding that it is not the job of 'the law' to determine morality. It is to protect the public good and safety of its citizens.

Cheating on your spouse, for example is immoral, but it is not illegal. On the other hand, neglecting to wear a helmet is unsafe, and therefore illegal, but it is certainly not immoral.

Prostitution is inherently unsafe. Inherently. Having sex with an endless line of strangers is a fantastic way to spread a variety of very nasty puss-producing, penicillin-proof pestilence.

Have the whore take STD tests you say? Bah. How often? Monthly? Weekly? Would that be often enough? What if she only fucked fifty men since her last test, would that be a small enough risk? Condoms you say! Condoms! Really? You promise? Every time? The smart ones, sure. The less smart ones (and the ONLY whores I've known haven't been the sharpest crayons in the box) definitely used a condom. Sometimes. When they remembered.

Again, the purpose of laws is to protect the public good, and I don't think the public good is being served by licensing women (and men) to spread disease.

Now, you might want to say to me, 'But Sass, you are allowed to drive a car, and that's unsafe. You are allowed to eat enough trans-fat that you have to get lifted out of your house by a crane and end up on a Discovery Channel special and that is certainly unsafe. Those aren't illegal.' No, they aren't, and it is because the public good that is served by cars and trans-fat (who doesn't love a tasty trans-fat treat every now and again?) has been deemed to outweigh the danger they may cause. Maybe the calculation is off - maybe those things ARE more dangerous than we believe and maybe their public good isn't that great. Maybe. But that's another debate. It is my belief in this particular case that prostituion is far too unsafe of a thing to legalize.

And I don't think 'Everyone's going to do it anyway' is a very good reason to legalize something. Ever. Fourteen year olds will bust into their parents' liquor cabinet and drink their schnapps. I don't think legalizing it is the way to solve that problem either.

I lived in South Africa for a brief period, four months or so. In the particular area I lived in, ONE IN THREE people were infected with AIDS. One in three. And do you know where they got their AIDS? Their friendly neighborhood whore of course. And men would come home to their wives, after fucking their whore, and they would fuck their wives, who may or may not be fucking the gardener. And that's how you get one in three. You have a whole bunch of people who find nothing wrong with prostitution, or sex legal or otherwise, and now you have a generation wiped out by AIDS. Charming.

[phee]

It is my understanding that it is not the job of 'the law' to determine morality. It is to protect the public good and safety of its citizens.

Cheating on your spouse, for example is immoral, but it is not illegal. On the other hand, neglecting to wear a helmet is unsafe, and therefore illegal, but it is certainly not immoral.

Prostitution is inherently unsafe. Inherently. Having sex with an endless line of strangers is a fantastic way to spread a variety of very nasty puss-producing, penicillin-proof pestilence.

Have the whore take STD tests you say? Bah. How often? Monthly? Weekly? Would that be often enough? What if she only fucked fifty men since her last test, would that be a small enough risk? Condoms you say! Condoms! Really? You promise? Every time? The smart ones, sure. The less smart ones (and the ONLY whores I've known haven't been the sharpest crayons in the box) definitely used a condom. Sometimes. When they remembered.

Again, the purpose of laws is to protect the public good, and I don't think the public good is being served by licensing women (and men) to spread disease.

Now, you might want to say to me, 'But Sass, you are allowed to drive a car, and that's unsafe. You are allowed to eat enough trans-fat that you have to get lifted out of your house by a crane and end up on a Discovery Channel special and that is certainly unsafe. Those aren't illegal.' No, they aren't, and it is because the public good that is served by cars and trans-fat (who doesn't love a tasty trans-fat treat every now and again?) has been deemed to outweigh the danger they may cause. Maybe the calculation is off - maybe those things ARE more dangerous than we believe and maybe their public good isn't that great. Maybe. But that's another debate. It is my belief in this particular case that prostituion is far too unsafe of a thing to legalize.

And I don't think 'Everyone's going to do it anyway' is a very good reason to legalize something. Ever. Fourteen year olds will bust into their parents' liquor cabinet and drink their schnapps. I don't think legalizing it is the way to solve that problem either.

I lived in South Africa for a brief period, four months or so. In the particular area I lived in, ONE IN THREE people were infected with AIDS. One in three. And do you know where they got their AIDS? Their friendly neighborhood whore of course. And men would come home to their wives, after fucking their whore, and they would fuck their wives, who may or may not be fucking the gardener. And that's how you get one in three. You have a whole bunch of people who find nothing wrong with prostitution, or sex legal or otherwise, and now you have a generation wiped out by AIDS. Charming.

By this reasoning... promiscuity should be illegal for it's health risk.

And no, just because it's done anyway does not make it OK... but it makes it something that needs to be made safer... safer then it is now.

And btw.... I do want to thank you for discussing this AND being respectful... it is good for the board, and good for the discussion.

[freydis]

This paper actually has a very reasoned arguement for legalization. It also answers some of the folks' concerns who are against legalization.

[Steven]

I've read it, re-read it and read it again.

You find it {prostitution} immoral. You equate immoral with a tragedy. That's fine, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You've made no tangable argument for keeping it illegal other that it's a "tragedy", or "immoral" or "wrong". those are personal opinions/ values that you hold dear to you, and that's admirable, however they are not reasons for keeping it illegal.

***continued thought***

Just because something is immoral doesn't mean it should be illegal. Hell I even think it's immoral, however who am I to push my opinions on others and tell them what they can and cannot sell.

I personally think smoking is immoral and "wrong" it's legal.

There are MANY people who think interracial marriage is immoral and wrong. Should it be illegal? Would that make things better for humanity if it were illegal?

OK - this is gogin to go on forever.....and apparently I've dug myself into some sort of hole here, because of what appears to be the motivating factor in how some of you are addressing me and yes - How I've chosen to disrespect some fo you.

I'm going to try to put the kabash on some of it now, and leave you all with your end decisions about my thoughts, perspectives, and motivations....

First - On the issue of respect within this thread - specifically to PHEE:

you have been disrespected by me in this thread. I should not have taken the tone with you that i did.

that is true, and because of it - you threw a few back at me. fair enough.

in light of that - let me just add the following with a preface that I am NOT trying to clean it up - I'm simply explaining myself:

you seem to beleive that I am a liar.

at least it seems that way - in your statement about me "pretending to be an expert on everything" and how that was apparently disrepsectful to the board.

first - no Im not an expert on everything.

I dont post on politics a whole lot, or on technology, or Goth related things, or on alot of the music you all discuss, etc etc etc....because I know little to nothing about that shit.

But I did happen to grow up the way i did Phee.

I would have rather grown up blonde, blue eyed, in middle americana with two halfway balanced parents but I did not. i did not grow up among even one balanced parent. I grew up inside an extreme (many) environement where most of the people cared little for one another let alone themselves and then eventually i was out on my own on the streets. As I bounced from city to city and neighborhood to barrio I always landed in the same sorts of places, because people only do what they iknow until they know better. And every place I landed - it was all the same.

OK so how much of that should I deny?

When you live among certain types of people (and also experience the twisted joys of calling some of them "family") and within certain types of environements - you are exposed to repetitive trends, thoughts, and dysfunctions. In english - you see ALOT of the same types of things, over and over again, and ALOT of the same end results.

I have used words like "TRAGIC". Thats right Donnie - I have.

because to me, it is. But I'm not talking about morality. I'm thinking of VERY specific people, and quite often, the kids around it. There were lots of kids around what i grew up in. How many of them do you think are happy functioning pillars of society today? That often does not seem to count much to you. But it does count to me. It has to, dont you think? is that not logical, given who I am? Or should I be more like you, is that more logical?

thats a powerful word that I used - "tragic" - and i am quite obviously an impassioned person. That alone, should tell you something about me. The fact that I sometimes do get upset - and the fact that I am willing to tell my shit right here in front of everybody should also tell you something about me. Hey Donnie - when I use the word tragic in all honesty i am thinking about several people I've known - people who fucked their heads up by living the life. I'm also thinking about one little kid who got to watch it. Now you know my tragedy of which I speak. I'm not going to white wash it. Providing an easier open conduit for what I beleive I have watched create tremendous heartache and psyche damge, YES WILLFULLY, where it affects miore than just the person directly involved, is not cool with me. I do get that you guys want a controleld clinical environement, I do get that. I just beleive that a whole fuckeng lot more damage gets done that you cannot see on a microscope slide.

and YES you all end up hearing my shit over and over again and are proabably pretty sick of it. Because its the only shit Ive got Phee - I dont have yoru shit, ive got my shit. And when threads pop up that deal with these types of issues, and it happens with regularity, then unfortunately then likewise you hear my shit with regularity.

guess what folks? I hear YOUR shit with regularity too. Would you beleive that I get just as sick of it? The difference is - yours often comes in a group format - and it really does not like to be challanged by jerks like me who will not shut up. Only sometimes when I hear your arguments - I get a bit bent - because I truly beleive - freely admitted here - that some of those arguments are sadly lacking in more than just data. That is all 100% true.

In terms of my pretending to be an expert: sorry but I have been affected by the things of which you sometimes speak. I am learning, to get better with my delivery - but I got a long way to go.

But bear in mind that because I came up the way i did - fate forced me to build relationships with what was available to me. And what was available to me has often been these sorts of people within these sorts of threads that you discuss when it comes to social ills. So again, unfortunatley, yeah - there is a good chance I've been there. And again - you know what - I'd REALLY rather not have been. But i cant do anything about it.

and as an adult - that same thing has become a "trend" of sorts with me - and yes that has led me to places like Mexico or back to the streets to feed homeless people out of the trunk of my car, or to help people kick because I was a junkhead, or to deal with a violent environement because I was raised in it. Actually dude, you'd be suprised by what I get told by people at church who are tryign to get their shit togethor. Same shit - same exact shit I saw in LA as a kid, nothing new at all....same end resutls, same "tragedy". So yes - I get a little over the top dude - I freely admit this.

but that in no way makes me a liar, nor does it make me an expert.

it also does not make me ignorant of the inside dynamics that I think alot of you sometimes miss in stating data based opinions.

I called you super dad and said some other snotty shit to you. i was bent.

and I was wrong.

but dont insinuate I'm a liar - in fact just say it then if you must. In terms of disrespect on this board you are much slicker than i am Phee, because thats your style - i am rather blunt. But we're co contributors.

Donnie - and anybody else for that matter - you have as much right as i do to express your opinions in here and you freely do so. You are as much a "pusher" with it as I am. I dont take issue with that. But i'm going to say whatever I'm going to say, period, I'm not going to check in with you first to see if its ok and then yeild to YOUR personal perspective just because you say so. If in the process i fuck up and take it to far then call me on it. I'll apologize to you, right here in front of everybody.

enough of all that shit.

and Eternal - i miss your posts the most, you are the master.

I think prostitution is wrong and should remain illegal because it fucks people's heads all up fro a very long time.

and that's all I have left to say about that.

happy Easter.

Steven

[Dollardave]

I'm a little annoyed with the sluts of the world. There are prostitutes out there, hard-working women and trannies just trying to turn some tricks, trying to make some scratch to pay for rent, or crack or Prada purses, and then these little tramps come tramping along, spreading their legs for nothing more than a wink and a drink. Don't they understand supply and demand curves? Don't those harlots understand that they are as much to blame for the loss of US jobs as NAFTA? I hope they feel badly about that.

Well, enough of that.

My question really is, what's your opinion on prostitution? Should it be legal?

Despite my ramblings up top, I am not a fan of the profession. I have friends in the business. It's not a kind business. It's not altogether unkind either, mind you. They make very, very good money and sometimes, the guys are just your normal average horny guy with some money to blow on a blowjob. Sometimes, he's not so normal. But, what troubles me the most is that when they start to sell their bodies one evening at a time, they don't realize until much, much later, that they sold a piece of their soul, too, and that they won't ever get back. My friends in the business - they develop an inherent distrust of men, they sulk, they feel cheap, they let themselves get treated badly. I think whoreing around is bad for you, like trans-fat and sitting too close to the televison.

Maybe whores are like tax collectors. You know they'll always be around, you just don't want to get caught with one.

As a Chirstian I think that prostitution the "oldest profession" as they call it should be illegal. When I was younger I had a girl I used to fuck for $50 a shot cause I had a marijuana addiction and even tho I always worked at a job I was smoking about a 1/2 ounce a week and it was costing me $80 a pop so I didn't have the money for it so this older woman contacted me on a dating website and I made an agreement with her to pop her once a week for $50. Not a bad lookin lady either I just needed the money, but I think it should continue to be legal. Look at great "sin city" vegas is a fucking dive pardon my language theres pimps sayin "oh we got the cleanest girls" its disgusting. I never did gay prostitution but I was like in my 20s and did do it only for one client. Its good now because u can even ask homicidal heathen I don't smoke marijuana anymore I was addicted from age 17-23. Then I met my exwife and she had a small child and I didn't want it around the kid and I was afraid she was gonna leave me so I quit cold turkey it was hell. I'm still having a hard time with pills specificly vicodin but its not as bad as it used to be. Oxycottin too is costing me $20 a pill and I only get $80 a week blowing cash after the bills are paid. I'm working on my pill problem tho, but I haven't drank in a month which is good cuz my friends were worrying about me because I was dying from drinking my liver enzymes were high. Anyways thats my story and view on prostitution.

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[jadnifer]

SOME of us Harlets just love the fucking.. *shrugs*

Trust me, sex is always being paid for.

You may not agree with me on this, but even if it isn't money passing hands, it's a roof over your head, or food on your plate, or you have to provide children, stability, marriage.. someone's paying for it. It's a contract, xyz will be provided in exchange for abc.

The whoring part is the most honest exchange of sex for money there is. I commend those women of the night. They deserve every penny they get, I will also have to agree that those women of the day (house wives) also work hard for their livelihood, sex (although may not be there after awhile and women wonder why men start paying for it, or cheat) is part of the bargaining tool they started out with.

Oh yeah, I'm for legalization, if it wasn't completely obvious.

I'm sorry Hunhee, but I am going to have to respectively disagree with you.

Also, I would like to ask a question that would help clarify things for me. Are you saying that it is the wife's fault that the man is cheating, but they should have figured on that if they were getting married to the man and that he has his needs and if she doesn't fulfill them, then he is going to find it elsewhere? I wouldn't think that it wold be her fault. Please correct me if I read that wrong.

Also, I don't think that being a housewife is a legal form of prostitution. Please correct me again if I misread it but that's what I got from what you said. That a woman gets food and shelter and all of that, as long as she is having sex with her husband. I have to disagree with you.

I am not being nasty, I would just like to clarify on those issues.

As far as prostitution being legalized, I have mixed feelings on it. If a woman wants to sell her body, that's her choice.

i guess if we made it legal, it would have to be under the pretenses that the woman get checked at least once a month at her expense. Also, the prostitution rate would probably go down if it was legalized because people aren't as interested in doing things that are legal because part of the thrill is gone.

[Steven]

I'm sorry Hunhee, but I am going to have to respectively disagree with you.

Also, I would like to ask a question that would help clarify things for me. Are you saying that it is the wife's fault that the man is cheating, but they should have figured on that if they were getting married to the man and that he has his needs and if she doesn't fulfill them, then he is going to find it elsewhere? I wouldn't think that it wold be her fault. Please correct me if I read that wrong.

Also, I don't think that being a housewife is a legal form of prostitution. Please correct me again if I misread it but that's what I got from what you said. That a woman gets food and shelter and all of that, as long as she is having sex with her husband. I have to disagree with you.

I am not being nasty, I would just like to clarify on those issues.

I'd also like clarification - let's move it to a new thread if she does decide to clarify cause thats a pretty bold set of statements.