Prostitution

[sass_in_the_pants]

I'm a little annoyed with the sluts of the world. There are prostitutes out there, hard-working women and trannies just trying to turn some tricks, trying to make some scratch to pay for rent, or crack or Prada purses, and then these little tramps come tramping along, spreading their legs for nothing more than a wink and a drink. Don't they understand supply and demand curves? Don't those harlots understand that they are as much to blame for the loss of US jobs as NAFTA? I hope they feel badly about that.

Well, enough of that.

My question really is, what's your opinion on prostitution? Should it be legal?

Despite my ramblings up top, I am not a fan of the profession. I have friends in the business. It's not a kind business. It's not altogether unkind either, mind you. They make very, very good money and sometimes, the guys are just your normal average horny guy with some money to blow on a blowjob. Sometimes, he's not so normal. But, what troubles me the most is that when they start to sell their bodies one evening at a time, they don't realize until much, much later, that they sold a piece of their soul, too, and that they won't ever get back. My friends in the business - they develop an inherent distrust of men, they sulk, they feel cheap, they let themselves get treated badly. I think whoreing around is bad for you, like trans-fat and sitting too close to the televison.

Maybe whores are like tax collectors. You know they'll always be around, you just don't want to get caught with one.

[ttogreh]

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax the ever loving hell out of it.

As for the whole "selling their bodies one evening at a time" thing... show me one blue collar job that that sentence cannot be ascribed to.

[Msterbeau]

I agree that it has a pretty good chance of messing up a person's mind. It just does. That said, I think it would be better in most respects, for all involved, if it were legal.

I'm a little annoyed with the sluts of the world. There are prostitutes out there, hard-working women and trannies just trying to turn some tricks, trying to make some scratch to pay for rent, or crack or Prada purses, and then these little tramps come tramping along, spreading their legs for nothing more than a wink and a drink. Don't they understand supply and demand curves? Don't those harlots understand that they are as much to blame for the loss of US jobs as NAFTA? I hope they feel badly about that.

Well, enough of that.

My question really is, what's your opinion on prostitution? Should it be legal?

Despite my ramblings up top, I am not a fan of the profession. I have friends in the business. It's not a kind business. It's not altogether unkind either, mind you. They make very, very good money and sometimes, the guys are just your normal average horny guy with some money to blow on a blowjob. Sometimes, he's not so normal. But, what troubles me the most is that when they start to sell their bodies one evening at a time, they don't realize until much, much later, that they sold a piece of their soul, too, and that they won't ever get back. My friends in the business - they develop an inherent distrust of men, they sulk, they feel cheap, they let themselves get treated badly. I think whoreing around is bad for you, like trans-fat and sitting too close to the televison.

Maybe whores are like tax collectors. You know they'll always be around, you just don't want to get caught with one.

[Msterbeau]

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax the ever loving hell out of it.

As for the whole "selling their bodies one evening at a time" thing... show me one blue collar job that that sentence cannot be ascribed to.

I agree. If you don't think any creative job doesn't reach deeply into your soul for profit, especially if you aren't working for yourself, you're delusional.

[Steven]

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax the ever loving hell out of it.

As for the whole "selling their bodies one evening at a time" thing... show me one blue collar job that that sentence cannot be ascribed to.

if you've been around the block a few times Bro, you'll know that there is a huge difference between the two.

moving on....

yes Im against it. But ultimately I'm against it because of what comes with it, the world that surrounds it and the criminal element within it, its alot like the life of a drug dealer and before you snicker please dont fucking tell me you've read about it or that you know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody. And legalizing it doesent take the seediness out of it or the abuse out of it of it or the will for somebody to manipulate it either.

The inevitable tragedies of the end result will always be there. In the end there is a whole lot more to it than getting your dick sucked.

[ttogreh]

Therein lies the conundrum. Is the seediness inherent in the profession, or inherent in the illegality of the profession? It is not the best thing in the world, and if anyone pretends that it is innocuous, they are being disingenuous. I contend that "everything that comes with it" only comes with it because the damn thing is illegal. In Sweden, it is illegal to buy a prostitutes services, but it is legal to be a prostitute. That one change in the perspective has caused the prostitution rate to drop like a stone.

Or another Nordic country. I wrote this on the fly.

[Reaper]

Well, I think its going to happen whether you make it legal or illegal. Its just todays desperation to get money where you can. If you legalize it, at least the government has a way of taxing it and maybe treating it like a smoking habit. There are some that are addicted to it and will pay what they can until it breaks them. Then there are those who will provide the money to fix roads or what have you because they always have the money. Either way, there will always be pros and cons. The question is, if its going to happen, why not watch over it more closely and take some money out of it to better other positions. I know in Mexico, prostitutes are checked into clinics weekly for health checkups. The prostitute pays each time and gets to spin the bottle for her chances of contracting something. Now whether the clinic is a real practice is another pending question.

[hunhee]

SOME of us Harlets just love the fucking.. *shrugs*

Trust me, sex is always being paid for.

You may not agree with me on this, but even if it isn't money passing hands, it's a roof over your head, or food on your plate, or you have to provide children, stability, marriage.. someone's paying for it. It's a contract, xyz will be provided in exchange for abc.

The whoring part is the most honest exchange of sex for money there is. I commend those women of the night. They deserve every penny they get, I will also have to agree that those women of the day (house wives) also work hard for their livelihood, sex (although may not be there after awhile and women wonder why men start paying for it, or cheat) is part of the bargaining tool they started out with.

Oh yeah, I'm for legalization, if it wasn't completely obvious.

[Homicidalheathen]

I think it should be legal then they would be tested and stuff.

And yes I think its ok and all that.

[Steven]

Therein lies the conundrum. Is the seediness inherent in the profession, or inherent in the illegality of the profession? It is not the best thing in the world, and if anyone pretends that it is innocuous, they are being disingenuous. I contend that "everything that comes with it" only comes with it because the damn thing is illegal. In Sweden, it is illegal to buy a prostitutes services, but it is legal to be a prostitute. That one change in the perspective has caused the prostitution rate to drop like a stone.

Or another Nordic country. I wrote this on the fly.

ever see a teen whore get a good beat down ?

ever have intimate conversation (ie relationship) with a former prostitute who's head is all kinds of fucked up because of all the years of giving her ass away and now she'd like a "normal" life only its really not that simple?

ever known anybody who's mother was a prostitute and they too would like a "normal" life only now its not that simple?

I have. So call me jaded - I'm not talking about the joys of fucking or being promiscous. I'm talking about ten years later and what your left with.

by the way all things have their black market counterparts for profit.

alcohol, cigarettes, auto parts, whatever. virtually everything does and can be manipulated criminally for the edge of high profit margins. legality has nothing to do with it - opportunists seize what they can and always have. The difference here is an inanimate object versus a human being and the generational after effects.

as for the mexican referance - the shit that goes down there to young girls (and boys) would make you puke on your shoes if you saw it up front. How many of you have been on the inside in a 3rd world country where you've actually worked hand in hand with some of these broken people? It does indeed effect your worldview.

and along with these "commendable" women of the night comes other flavors and desires and markets.....like fucking children and getting off on their pain.

by the way Hun Hee - sex is not being paid for in my home or marriage. I like you but in this case your talking out of your own expereinces, which are seemingly limited based on how your relationships panned out.

and ttogreh: "As for the whole "selling their bodies one evening at a time" thing... show me one blue collar job that that sentence cannot be ascribed to."

I can at least testify that in every blue collar job Ive ever held, to include much menial labor and my time as a soldier, I was never even remotely left with the end result a prostitute is left with.

[Homicidalheathen]

ever see a teen whore get a good beat down ?

ever have intimate conversation (ie relationship) with a former prostitute who's head is all kinds of fucked up because of all the years of giving her ass away and now she'd like a "normal" life only its really not that simple?

ever known anybody who's mother was a prostitute and they too would like a "normal" life only now its not that simple?

.......This is all a product of it being illegal and thus 'immoral'

[pharoh]

by the way all things have their black market counterparts for profit.

alcohol, cigarettes, auto parts, whatever. virtually everything does and can be manipulated criminally for the edge of high profit margins. legality has nothing to do with it - opportunists seize what they can and always have. The difference here is an inanimate object versus a human being and the generational after effects.

This right here is dead on, anything....I mean ANYTHING can be bought illegally. When people say something like well might as well legalize it to me is just sad. It shows how desensitized we all are. To me that says hey it's always going to exhist so we might as well legalize it.....wtf? Legalizing it is not a fix, it's turning a blind eye to a problem.

[pharoh]

.......This is all a product of it being illegal and thus 'immoral'

It's immoral and illegal because it's WRONG and people should hold themselves up to a higher standard in life.

[Steven]

ever see a teen whore get a good beat down ?

ever have intimate conversation (ie relationship) with a former prostitute who's head is all kinds of fucked up because of all the years of giving her ass away and now she'd like a "normal" life only its really not that simple?

ever known anybody who's mother was a prostitute and they too would like a "normal" life only now its not that simple?

.......This is all a product of it being illegal and thus 'immoral'

you of all people know better than this Windy, and you know you do.

so do I.

[Steven]

This right here is dead on, anything....I mean ANYTHING can be bought illegally. When people say something like well might as well legalize it to me is just sad. It shows how desensitized we all are. To me that says hey it's always going to exhist so we might as well legalize it.....wtf? Legalizing it is not a fix, it's turning a blind eye to a problem.

thats exactly what I mean.

heres the solution - make it legal.

slavery was legal once.

by the way lets make it legal for 12 year old prostitution, we'll make sure they are immunized. who wants to offer up their daughters?

was that extreme? too young? OK 18 then - legal age.

which one of you is cool with your 18 year old kid sucking some old mans nasty dick for cash?

how bout a nice butt fuck for a 401K?

[phee]

Having sex is legal... selling things is legal... selling sex should be legal.... it makes no sense otherwise.

Arguments about teenagers and ages don't matter... once someone is legal age they can consent to have sex....

which one of you is cool with your 18 year old kid sucking some old mans nasty dick for cash?

how bout a nice butt fuck for a 401K?

Are you saying this doesn't happen in a legal sense right now?... If I have an 18 year old daughter who wants to fuck and old man, I might not be happy about it but it is not my choice. If said old guy decides to shower her with gifts and other material items, or decides to give her a sky high credit limit... what is the difference between that and giving her a briefcase full of cash? I don't think the morality of the situation is in anyway effected by whether it is money or items.

The above argument is more about age... age and a problem with butt sex I guess.

Legalizing will create an environment where the government can tax it and make it more safe... if people needed to be tested and licensed, their would be less disease and abuse. In fact the way that it exists now is much more wrong and harm causing...

[pharoh]

Legalizing will create an environment where the government can tax it and make it more safe... if people needed to be tested and licensed, their would be less disease and abuse. In fact the way that it exists now is much more wrong and harm causing...

Really Phee????

Tell that to the prostitute that is to scare to leave her pimp because she knows that if she leaves he'll kill'em. Tell the Pimp that while they are beating the fuck out of his prostitute because she isn't sellin that ass enough. Tell that to average joe who's going to go where there it's gonna cost less, which would still be the street.

Reality is dude, if they were to legalize it, all that would happen is that they would be working harder for less money and causing more and more harm to themselves because they have to low ball what the goverement is doing and then the pimps have to push thier bitches even further. Hell that shit happens even now between pimps.....imagine if the goverment had thier hand in it knowing that.

And why are you typing this when you can be out making Rayne that money lol

[ttogreh]

That's a wonderful qualification, phee. "More safe". Drugs, prostitution, gambling, all of the vices simply are not safe, and they DO destroy lives. What society must do, is decide which approach causes the least damage.

Telling me that women are abused in the prostitution trade does NOTHING to sway my conviction that making it legal will reduce the number and severity of women abused.

Legalize it, regulate it. Tax the hell out of it.

[Steven]

DGN is as F'd up today as Phees logic.

ok super Dad.

sex is legal. so your 18 year old daughter gets to bone an old man for nice things - lets use that scenario. Only shes a prostitute - therefore she's fucking LOTS of old men. And I doubt she's in a penthouse in Borneo. SHe's probably at a no tell motel on Mi Ave.

by the way lots of them are paying to degrade her - that's a good part of the mix, hence my reference of butt boofing.

so....

we do the math.

Baby Phee starts taking in large volumes of strange dick. She doesent even like these guys. Some of them smell. some of them are twisted. some of them are just assholes. some of them say thigns to her that nobody should hear. some of them remind her of her own SUper Dad. But - money is money - so she lets every one of them stick his dick in her and pound away.

its her right, after all. and taxable. and blue cross covers the penecillin.

so she does that for a few years, a few thousand times - hey - its all her choice anyway....

and then later we discover that shes been affected by it.

its in her head.

and her relationships are therefore affected by it.

and maybe she has kids, and they are affected by it.

its just sex. just money. and Phee was cool with it anyway.

and your right, you may not like it Phee.

Question is - would you even bother to do anything about it?

[pharoh]

Telling me that women are abused in the prostitution trade does NOTHING to sway my conviction that making it legal will reduce the number and severity of women abused.

Then you have no knowledge of what really goes on the world. Get out from behind the computer and open your eyes

[ttogreh]

I can't convince you of my opinion, you can't convince me of your opinion, and it is now turning personal. I'm done. This is a "third rail", and I left my rubber underpants at home.

Whatever your opinion is on this subject, I hope you have a good day, and a better tomorrow.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I'd like to point out that Prostitution has not always been illegal in the world. In fact, during the middle ages it was pretty much legal everywhere. "The Church" even recognized the need for it to exist. So, various things were setup to control it and make it safe for the workers. There were even state run whore houses. Hell, read enough history books and you find out what the word courtesan really means.

Non of the various legal prostitution setups has gotten rid of the problems that come with it... slavery, violence, drug abuse and decease.

Lets look at a modern country with legal prostitution. Germany. It's completely legal there. You know what? Germany has a huge problem with women being brought in from other countries to be sex slaves.

How about the Netherlands... they have the laws that most resemble what you guys want. Prostitutes can form unions, pay taxes and get all the benfits that any other profession gets... The Netherlands has a HUGE problem with women being abducted in other countries and forced into prostitution there. Nubmers vary.. but between 1000 and 7000 women and girls are forced into prostitution every year in the Netherlands.

Making it Legal and taxing the fuck out if it is NOT going to make any of the problems go away. We have real world and historical examples that say otherwise.

[pharoh]

I'd like to point out that Prostitution has not always been illegal in the world. In fact, during the middle ages it was pretty much legal everywhere. "The Church" even recognized the need for it to exist. So, various things were setup to control it and make it safe for the workers. There were even state run whore houses. Hell, read enough history books and you find out what the word courtesan really means.

Non of the various legal prostitution setups has gotten rid of the problems that come with it... slavery, violence, drug abuse and decease.

Lets look at a modern country with legal prostitution. Germany. It's completely legal there. You know what? Germany has a huge problem with women being brought in from other countries to be sex slaves.

How about the Netherlands... they have the laws that most resemble what you guys want. Prostitutes can form unions, pay taxes and get all the benfits that any other profession gets... The Netherlands has a HUGE problem with women being abducted in other countries and forced into prostitution there. Nubmers vary.. but between 1000 and 7000 women and girls are forced into prostitution every year in the Netherlands.

Making it Legal and taxing the fuck out if it is NOT going to make any of the problems go away. We have real world and historical examples that say otherwise.

Excellent points

[Steven]

I'd like to point out that Prostitution has not always been illegal in the world. In fact, during the middle ages it was pretty much legal everywhere. "The Church" even recognized the need for it to exist. So, various things were setup to control it and make it safe for the workers. There were even state run whore houses. Hell, read enough history books and you find out what the word courtesan really means.

Non of the various legal prostitution setups has gotten rid of the problems that come with it... slavery, violence, drug abuse and decease.

Lets look at a modern country with legal prostitution. Germany. It's completely legal there. You know what? Germany has a huge problem with women being brought in from other countries to be sex slaves.

How about the Netherlands... they have the laws that most resemble what you guys want. Prostitutes can form unions, pay taxes and get all the benfits that any other profession gets... The Netherlands has a HUGE problem with women being abducted in other countries and forced into prostitution there. Nubmers vary.. but between 1000 and 7000 women and girls are forced into prostitution every year in the Netherlands.

Making it Legal and taxing the fuck out if it is NOT going to make any of the problems go away. We have real world and historical examples that say otherwise.

a hearty thank you.

and 2 of these:

again I find it interesting how passionate the responses can be from a position of safety....

[Destroit]

DGN is as F'd up today as Phees logic.

ok super Dad.

sex is legal. so your 18 year old daughter gets to bone an old man for nice things - lets use that scenario. Only shes a prostitute - therefore she's fucking LOTS of old men. And I doubt she's in a penthouse in Borneo. SHe's probably at a no tell motel on Mi Ave.

by the way lots of them are paying to degrade her - that's a good part of the mix, hence my reference of butt boofing.

so....

we do the math.

Baby Phee starts taking in large volumes of strange dick. She doesent even like these guys. Some of them smell. some of them are twisted. some of them are just assholes. some of them say thigns to her that nobody should hear. some of them remind her of her own SUper Dad. But - money is money - so she lets every one of them stick his dick in her and pound away.

its her right, after all. and taxable. and blue cross covers the penecillin.

so she does that for a few years, a few thousand times - hey - its all her choice anyway....

and then later we discover that shes been affected by it.

its in her head.

and her relationships are therefore affected by it.

and maybe she has kids, and they are affected by it.

its just sex. just money. and Phee was cool with it anyway.

and your right, you may not like it Phee.

Question is - would you even bother to do anything about it?

Uhmmmm...did she choose to do it? She "needed the money"? Well then get a fucking secretary job like me . If you're a hooker and you're complaining about being fucked up in the head....you uhmmm SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROSTITUTE. Duh!

Fuck if a whore said to me that she was fucked up in the head from years of being a hooker, as cold as this sounds, if SHE chose that profession I'd look her right in the eyes and say: "Well...it serves you fucking right"

If someone ruins their own life, it's on them. What I DON'T like is the fact that young women are being KIDNAPPED off the streets and trafficked to other places in the country, away from their families against their will. If we had it LEGAL then we could set up clean and safe brothels for people to get some paid for sex at. No pimps beating women. No rape. No men forcing STD infected cock into unwilling and frightened college girls. None of that.

You don't believe me? Check a place called NEVADA where it's legal and the women in brothels there LOVE their jobs. I had to hear about it all this morning on Montel Williams (ironically enough).

Women who are in prostitution on their own free will are never victims, EVER. Not even for a second. That's like hurling myself off the top of a building and saying the guy standing in the stairwell on the third floor was the one who did it . Make sense? Of course not. So women who are willingly hookers dig their own grave. If they're "fucked up" later on in life, well then good.

I also wouldn't pick on Phee's logic when it makes absolutely perfect sense IMO.