Polygamist Compound Searched...

[Fierce Critter]

books are the next best thing to having actual conversations with "the author", which most people are unable to do. are you saying the thoughts in books are invalid? i'm not understanding why books should be disregarded as sources of information!? people draw from all of their experiences, which include reading. what's the difference between saying "based on what i've read, my opinion is [this]", or "based on the conversations i've had, my opinion is [this]", or "based on the experiences i've had, my opinion is [this]", or "based on my intuition, my opinion is [this]"?

i don't get it...

Too many people take things like books and rather than be "inspired" by them, tend to turn them into more of a "since it was written down by someone into a book, it must be law! It must be the way things are supposed to be!"

It's one thing to be inspired by something/someone. But I find too many people stop thinking for themselves when they feel "commanded" by someone/something else.

[torn asunder]

Too many people take things like books and rather than be "inspired" by them, tend to turn them into more of a "since it was written down by someone into a book, it must be law! It must be the way things are supposed to be!"

It's one thing to be inspired by something/someone. But I find too many people stop thinking for themselves when they feel "commanded" by someone/something else.

ah, i see - that makes sense...

[Kit Kat P]

Perhaps if we put out a sit-com it wouldn't be WEIRD...

Like they did for our Homosexual brothers/sisters...

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that?

[Kit Kat P]

?????

No, you can't, the healthy ones draw no attention.

I've seen plenty of healthy families, both standard and non, draw attention. They are praised and envied. I've even seen healthy families broken up over jealousy.

[Kit Kat P]

Oh yeah, but aren't they mormons...

No, they were not. Which would be similar to saying all snake handlers are baptist.

[Kit Kat P]

Personally I feel that polygamy is not needed anymore than the marriage of young girls. These were both standard to continue reproduction and to combat the high infant mortality rate.

Beyond that, if it is a healthy and happy environment, it is none of our business.

[torn asunder]

Beyond that, if it is a healthy and happy environment, it is none of our business.

[Msterbeau]

Make mine a double.

[vampire]

... so back to my camels ... i need a new wife ...

[Rev.Reverence]

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that?

**If we, poly's, (trademark..) had a T.V. show, like 'Will and Grace'

**we would be able to find a place in the hearts and minds of all the 'Archie Bunkers'

**in the world right now.

QUOTE(Rev.Reverence @ Apr 7 2008, 11:51 AM) *

Oh yeah, but aren't they mormons...

**was refering to a T.V. show...

**I have handled venomous snakes and am not Baptist.(It is a shamanic practice in it's roots)

QUOTE(Kit Kat P @ Apr 9 2008, 02:55 PM) *

Beyond that, if it is a healthy and happy environment, it is none of our business.

**THANX for seeing it our way.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Life is not fair. No matter how many laws we pass. I could accept the government recognizing gay marriage way before I could accept a recognition of multi-partner marriages of any type.

I was not whining about life being unfair.....

I realized a long time ago that life is not fair.....

I am just stating that the government is restricting my will.....

I believe allot of people would accept gay marriage because the homosexual community has fought society to accept it.....

I guess it is time to stand up and fight for my rites!!!!!

Everyone is entitled to their way of life even "sick twisted weirdos" like Me.....

The fascism in this thread is sickening.....

Minds are like parachutes.....They only function when open

Anyhoo.....Again, not attacking anyone, just expressing my opinion.....THANX

[Sybil]

..if we walk around too open minded...

..le brain could fall oooot...

[Oh_My_Goth]

UUUUUUUMMMM, sure?????

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I was not whining about life being unfair.....

I realized a long time ago that life is not fair.....

I am just stating that the government is restricting my will.....

I believe allot of people would accept gay marriage because the homosexual community has fought society to accept it.....

I guess it is time to stand up and fight for my rites!!!!!

Everyone is entitled to their way of life even "sick twisted weirdos" like Me.....

The fascism in this thread is sickening.....

Anyhoo.....Again, not attacking anyone, just expressing my opinion.....THANX

So... if we don't accept polygamy... we are Facists? We, those who are against polygamy, are not the ones that want to force a change in the whole social fabric to fit our own view of how things should be.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Have you ever read Plato?

There is a conversation in one of them... Antiphon is speaking to the Clazomenians and teaching them about what it is to be one's self and also be part of the whole of society.

It's kind of a hard read.. cause most of it goes something like this...

A thing does not need to become different from another thing which is already different; it is different, and if it's different has become, it has become different; if its different will be, it will be different; but of that which is becoming different, there cannot have been, or be about to be, or yet be, a different - the only different possible is the one which is becoming

The general message of the conversation boils down to Society is a HUGE machine. A machine will not work if all it's parts are exactly the same. It takes many different parts working together to make the machine work... but a part can be so different that it is no longer part of the machine and has no right to try to change all the other parts so it fits into the machine.

[Destroit]

So... if we don't accept polygamy... we are Facists? We, those who are against polygamy, are not the ones that want to force a change in the whole social fabric to fit our own view of how things should be.

...I thought being open minded had to do with what you actually like, being forced to accept polygamy is the biggest example of closemindedness I ever saw.

It reminds me of my ex who used to say that I wasn't open-minded because I didn't "accept Thelema as my way of life" because oh gosh, Christianity is just sooooo closed minded, and I said to him..."uhmmm isn't that a little closed minded of you to say that I'm not open minded just because I don't accept your beliefs?"

Open minded to me means that someone is able for you to present something without you immediately rejecting the idea, but after working through it in your mind if you reject it...that's perfectly fine, anything other than that would be fascist, imo.

Open minded means not having to accept everything just because someone else believes in it, to me anyway.

Hey if sticking to my guns and beliefs, not someone else's way of life, makes me a fascist, I'm going out to get a bumper sticker that screams out my new found fascism LOUD AND PROUD .

[Rev.Reverence]

It reminds me of my ex who used to say that I wasn't open-minded because I didn't "accept Thelema as my way of life" because oh gosh, Christianity is just sooooo closed minded, and I said to him..."uhmmm isn't that a little closed minded of you to say that I'm not open minded just because I don't accept something?"

That is not THELEMA... very few seekers on THAT PATH stay True...

[Oh_My_Goth]

So... if we don't accept polygamy... we are Facists? We, those who are against polygamy, are not the ones that want to force a change in the whole social fabric to fit our own view of how things should be.

I did not say that.....

An open mind is all I am asking.....

You should not fear what you don't understand.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Oh come on... I show the greatest influance on my social and political views... and it gets passed over?

[Oh_My_Goth]

Have you ever read Plato?

There is a conversation in one of them... Antiphon is speaking to the Clazomenians and teaching them about what it is to be one's self and also be part of the whole of society.

It's kind of a hard read.. cause most of it goes something like this...

The general message of the conversation boils down to Society is a HUGE machine. A machine will not work if all it's parts are exactly the same. It takes many different parts working together to make the machine work... but a part can be so different that it is no longer part of the machine and has no right to try to change all the other parts so it fits into the machine.

That sounds great, but if the parts of a machine do not work together, it will not work at all.....

[Destroit]

That is not THELEMA... very few seekers on THAT PATH stay True...

Yeah...but I've NEVER had anyone in the Blue Equinox Oasis or whatever it is NOT try to tell me I'm wrong.

Almost ALL of them tried...and NEVER did I try to push my Christian beliefs on them, I just basked the irony because I love that kind of hypocrasy, it makes me giggle.

Even high Deacons and people from Isle of Avalon and all of that just telling me to "have an open mind" when I had read the Book of the Law and already decided that it was totally opposite of what I feel to be true.

So if that's the case, untrueness in that belief system must be epidemic. That's why I thought the whole thing was just fucking hilarious, I basically just stopped talking to all of them. I mean hell, I even went to mass and played along being totally polite 100% of the time about everything and following the ceremony, ate the little wafer cakes and everything.

All they could do was sit around and talk about how they were going to convert me and all I could say was "Look, I'm just here to support my boyfriend because I love him, okay?"

Shit...you go to Lakeshore Presbyterian church in St. Clair Shores (the church my family has been going to for three generations) and they know you're not Christian at all, they just shake your hand and give you free cookies and coffee, and that's that.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I did not say that.....

An open mind is all I am asking.....

You should not fear what you don't understand.

How would you know what I do and do not understand? For that matter.. How do you know what I fear?

I reject polygamy because it has no benefit to society and comes with far to many emotional risks to those involved.

I find it to be nothing more than a case of having a cake and eating it too.

If I could see some great benefit to sociaty, I would be all for it. I don't.

[Rev.Reverence]

EPIDEMIC...

Yes; that is why I am no longer affiliated with O.T.O.

[Oh_My_Goth]

...I thought being open minded had to do with what you actually like, being forced to accept polygamy is the biggest example of closemindedness I ever saw.

It reminds me of my ex who used to say that I wasn't open-minded because I didn't "accept Thelema as my way of life" because oh gosh, Christianity is just sooooo closed minded, and I said to him..."uhmmm isn't that a little closed minded of you to say that I'm not open minded just because I don't accept your beliefs?"

Open minded to me means that someone is able for you to present something without you immediately rejecting the idea, but after working through it in your mind if you reject it...that's perfectly fine, anything other than that would be fascist, imo.

Open minded means not having to accept everything just because someone else believes in it, to me anyway.

Hey if sticking to my guns and beliefs, not someone else's way of life, makes me a fascist, I'm going out to get a bumper sticker that screams out my new found fascism LOUD AND PROUD .

Good for you.....

I accept you.....

I don't feel anybody should be forced to practice anything they don't will to.....

Acceptance of others ways of life is what this world needs.....

Look at history, would we have evolved without acceptance.....

Let's keep evolving people, don't kick the purple monkey, give it a hug and say "I love you, even though you are different"

[phee]

I don't believe in polygamy... but that is just me... if it is with consenting adults (which in a lot of cases it's not), and all parties involved are informed... I don't see an issue.

Generally when it comes to things that I think are "wrong" or "illegal" I think there has to be a victem involved... for example, being married in say... Ohio, and then marrying someone in Michigan and not telling the parties involved? yeah... clear victem.