Psychotic Women And The Men Who Love Them

[Miranda]

We had a topic like this a few weeks ago but it was about women who fall for assholes; I'm paraphrasing. What is it with this men who only want women who are insane and have all types of intense emotional baggage? Is it a hero syndrome or a savior complex? Can anyone break it down for me? What the fuck is the appeal? Maybe I'm the only one who sees this with the men she knows? I know at least 4 that are doing this right now. What is a non-psychotic woman to do?

[phee]

We had a topic like this a few weeks ago but it was about women who fall for assholes; I'm paraphrasing. What is it with this men who only want women who are insane and have all types of intense emotional baggage? Is it a hero syndrome or a savior complex? Can anyone break it down for me? What the fuck is the appeal? Maybe I'm the only one who sees this with the men she knows? I know at least 4 that are doing this right now. What is a non-psychotic woman to do?

"Psycho" women.... and I am using the slang here because I have not really dated a full blown PSYCHOTIC.... But if you mean psycho as in unbalanced, over-emotional, unpredictatble, impulsive, over-reactinonary, etc...

But I don't know that many guys who have dated actual clinically certifiable "psychotics"

I think I can explain.... if you wish to clarify this...

[phee]

From experience

[MyViolentMachine]

It might boil down to pure carnal desires. In my experience and similar musings from other males is the crazy the chick the hotter the sex...

[Miranda]

Phee,

Yes, I'm sorry, I mean the term "Psycho" as in acting deranged and out of control. Not having anything actually medically or mentally wrong with th em, that I am aware of or that they are admitting to.

[Miranda]

It might boil down to pure carnal desires. In my experience and similar musings from other males is the crazy the chick the hotter the sex...

If it is something as basic as this, I'm amazed. I mean, I know a great fuck is powerful. Even so powerful as to put up with a shit load of drama I think.

[phee]

Phee,

Yes, I'm sorry, I mean the term "Psycho" as in acting deranged and out of control. Not having anything actually medically or mentally wrong with th em, that I am aware of or that they are admitting to.

Thanks!

Violent Machine sort of sums up a part of it earlier... But sex is a large factor. But I would go further then that, I would say its passion. Crazy chicks emmit passion, and that is very attractive, sexually it means that they will most likely give you the fuck of the millenia this is true, but also they will show you things, it's not about saving so much as it is about the adventure, what parts of life and yourself are you going to discover? What new realms of human experience will she show you and share with you?

This is NOT a healthy reason to be with someone IMO. The fact is that all of these impulses for experience and emotional adventure usually indicate that the guy is depressed in someway, and hoping to fill the void with these things.

There usually is a bit of the "savior" complex as well, but that usually shows up if you end up actually falling for the woman.

There is much more to this I could go into (and I will if desired) but I think that has a lot to do with it.

[Homicidalheathen]

...I asked my best bud right now who is recently divorced from a nut job.

His answer? The same as mine...but she was HOT and KINKY!

[Der Nister]

If you mean that there are men that want to date women that are classified as psychotic as defined by a traditional definition......

Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic.

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.

....I would have to say that the likelyhood of a man going out of his way to find a woman that could be or has been certified as psychotic would be highly unlikely.

If you are going for a more general 'slang' definition such as - "that bitch is crazy" without any doctors being involved then let me lend some of my thoughts and experience that may help you understand a little better.

One example (from my true life experience) of meeting a woman whom (seemed normal as can be - when we first met). Everything was fine the first two times we went out. Third time we got together for dinner she started saying things like "I really think you looked hot in that video" (or something like that - this was more than 10 years ago). She also started saying other things that freaked me out - cut to the chase here - I stopped talking/seeing/knowing her that night.

I did not want her around after that (I didn't care to get into bed with her either).

Second example - another woman I knew (past tense) seemed as normal as could be. Friendly/helpful/affectionate/warm/kind .....ect. ect. until one day she lost it in a supermarket. Flew into a rage with some clerk and got arrested. I found out later what set her off and oh by the way - she ended up seeing a doctor over her issues. Not sure how things have gone for her since I no longer speak with her.

So - it's not that any guy would actually seek out a nutcase because - true crazy people are not stupid for one and secondly - they try hard (imo) to act normal because (I think) they want to be accepted and liked by others. Those are just my general thoughts based on my 2 experiences.

And to confirm an earlier statement made about sex being hotter I have to say HELL YES - but it sucks that they are crazy. *lol*

[phee]

I've dated one basketcase and it was my longest-lasting relationship (nearly three years altogether).

I had no intentions of saving her, nor was it masochism.

It has a lot more to do with my aversion to boring, repetitive relationships. Crazy keeps things interesting.

All the same, I would never date her again. Crazy can also become violent.

Yes that is it as well.... crazy = exciting....

Most "normal" relationships promise very little.... whitebread can get a bit bland after a while.... But multigrain, multi-seed, zingermans bread.... harder to get tired of....

BUT

Again, seeking crazy and exciting to me is a sign of depression (much like doing drugs) depression makes a person feel kind of half dead, sluggish, painful.... and a crazy girl who fucks you so hard the techtonic plates move is a temporary distraction to that, as well as the crazy situations and places you might end up.... it eases the pain inside by being interesting (and painful) outside. A girl who promises normalcy does not distract in this way. But in the end, it turns into a symptem of your own depression, the crazy, passionate, and new things... they turn from distractions into reminders of just how fukking bad you feel.... and you want to be fixed, not distracted.

[MyViolentMachine]

I agree. It is an adventure to be with them. You never known what you will end up with on any given day.

Pretty much it is being with Chaos. If you can handle it for power to ya but do not try to PLAN out anything and expect anything.

[Homicidalheathen]

Never a dull moment...its a trade off. Coarse being with someone like that is fine when your still young but at my age...its too draining.

I LIKE stability.

[phee]

The trick is Stability and Chaos in balance..... Someone you can depend on and yet will dress up in naughty outfits out of the blue. Someone who you can sit back and veg out with on the couch, but also wants to try that new Cambodian/Tex-Mex place in the bad part of town. Someone who will help with the housework and also be interested in the song/painting/abstract erotic media sculpture that required you to build a fushion reactor in the laundry room...

[MyViolentMachine]

The trick is Stability and Chaos in balance..... Someone you can depend on and yet will dress up in naughty outfits out of the blue. Someone who you can sit back and veg out with on the couch, but also wants to try that new Cambodian/Tex-Mex place in the bad part of town. Someone who will help with the housework and also be interested in the song/painting/abstract erotic media sculpture that required you to build a fushion reactor in the laundry room...

+1

And you can send her to my house, Thanks.

[phee]

+1

And you can send her to my house, Thanks.

Sorry I am psychotically in love with my wife already...

[MyViolentMachine]

Sorry I am psychotically in love with my wife already...

The perfect pro for cloning is born

[Oh_My_Goth]

There are other non-psycho women besides Meself?????

[phee]

A few days in the life of dating a psycho.... the ups and downs (A mostly fictional account):

She makes you breakfast before you go to work, it tastes really good... even though you don't know whats in it (it sounded either Asian or Martian... you are not sure what)

You get to work feeling loved.

About an hour you get to work, a strange email appears in your in box, it is a man claiming to be..... lets just call her... Psyche's ex. Warning you at first, to stay away from her because she is his, then you realize it is a friendly warning as to what she will do to you as a person... then you realize that he is actually doing both, and that it might not be a him but an ex girlfriend of hers, which turns you on slightly and scares you as well...

At lunch you get a call from Psyche, she is in full out crying in tears mode, and you can't figure out if its because of her mother, or she heard a certain song on the radio that just makes her get like this sometimes. Within the conversation she has declared that you are an Asshole and the greatest thing that has ever happened to her within the same breath.

She then sends you an email at work with no label, you open it and it is her in erotic positions naked (save for the top-hat) with only the caption of "see you later" with a wink. You are extremely turned on by the pics and afraid you might have lost your job. You have found a way to grin and look scared to death at the same time.

You get home from work (on the way home you get flowers because you are a sweet guy)

You walk in with a smile and she is reading some kind of eastern spirituality/cowboy how-to book on the couch in a large sweater... you can tell she has been crying she does not look up.... you give her the flowers, she ignores you entirely... she exits the room and you vaguely here her say "fuck you and your petty bullshit" under her breath...

An hour later she comes out of where ever she went and jumps into your lap kissing you.... and says.... "Donna and Ayden want to meet us at that new resturant downtown, you know the one thats from that country that no ones heard of and the menu is illegal in most Southern states." You have no idea who Donna and Ayden are, but you agree because you are happy to see her in a good mood.

She comes out in a fukking awesome and sexy outfit that makes you hard as a diamond just to look at her. She then exclaimes.... "You are wearing that???? How can you possibly go to "the club" in that????" You explain that you had no idea that you were going clubbing on this Tuesday night.... and she then screams "I told you like 5 times we are going to the club after dinner.... never listen to me!!!" and stomps off and closes the door... 5 minutes later she comes out and apologizes... you get ready for clubbing and dinner.

On the way she screams for you to stop the car and turn left you say "what?" she then repeats her command, you look for whatever it is on the left you are supposed to be turning on to.... the then says "it's too late" and gets quiet.... you tell her you can go back and ask what it was you were looking for.... she says "nevermind" lets just go eat.

You arrive at the resteraunts parking area... her cellphone rings and she sounds very sorry for who it is on the phone.... She then tells you that was Donna, and Donna and Ayden just broke up and they are not comming after all, and that Donna is really upset because Ayden took another job in Guam because he wanted to be closer to his daughter, and he is such an asshole for that.... You keep your mouth SHUT.

After some silence she then starts making out with you for a few minutes, and decides that "we should walk to that new russian bread place on the eastside of town and try the new soup she heard about on the radio. You tell her that is two hours of walking... she exclaimes "So What!" and drags you out of the car in her hot ass outfit that she is planning on walking accross town in. You start to protest but then you see her ass.... and become a mute.

About half way there, she then seems to get depressed.... you ask her what is wrong and she says "Nothing" you continue on... She then stops turns to you and says... "If you like Donna more then me.... I understand.... she is much prettier then I am" (you recall that you don't remember ever meeting Donna.... ever) and you look confused.... she continues on "She said that all she ever wanted was a guy just like you.... and I get it....." You then bombard her with reassurances that have about the effect of paintballs on a battleship... no help at all as you reach your destination... which actually isn't there anymore, and she remembers that it was never there to begin with, and that the one she is thinking of is really in her homeland of Poland...

You make your way back to the car in silence.

When you get there you are so hungry that you want to die.... she wisely suggests McDonalds on the way to "The Club"... you stop and eat... and have a fascinating conversation while eating your MacNuggets.... expanding your mind. You realize she is one of the smartest people you have ever met in your life.... and those eyes... and that body.... she is THE ONE.... You feel happy....

you make it to the club and see your friends.... apparently Donna and Ayden are there because they are back together now, because he realizes what a shit he was being to Donna for wanting to see his daughter more....

She drinks....

She starts whispering the most erotic things to you that you never ever thought you would hear in your lifetime.... You leave the club and she gets you soooo turned on with foreplay that you have trouble driving... You get home.... she dissappears and comes out with a dinosaur outfit on.... you are confused for two reasons... one, why the fuck does "Psyche" have a fukking dinosaur outfit on? and two, how in the name of Olympus does she make it look that sexy?

You fuck for 24 hours straight missing work and meals, handcuffs are invlolved and oils, tantra, and schoolgirl outfits that look good with her red hair... and you are so sore at the end and your body has been so drained of fluids that your language centers no longer function.... you cannot move and you realize that you are probably going to die.... and you don't care you are feeling so good and sore.

You order chinease food that afternoon and watch strange german movies with your smart and sexy GF under the blanket on the couch... life is good... she then tells you that she is not going to feel good unless she can smell her menstral blood in every room of the house... You look at her blankly... she then asks you "When do you want to try and have a baby.... and... and why don't you do nice things for me like Ayden does for Donna like buying flowers?" You try to say something and point at the flowers that are sitting on the table from yesterday.... "I did... look the flowers are...." She cuts you off and stomps out of the room, leaving you... the flowers and the the blanket alone with the strange German movies.... She reappears a bit later and tells you that she desperatly wants to fuck you... and that she will do anything you want.... "forever" You somehow find the energy to have more sex... good sex at that.... then she starts balling and asks you to marry her, and if you would kill for her... then she calls her mom and ignores you....

You finally collapse asleep to try to not miss two days of work....

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(Holy shit did I write all that?)

[Miranda]

There are other non-psycho women besides Meself?????

Who knew??

[Oh_My_Goth]

Who knew??

Certainly Not I, Ma'am.....

[creatureofthenyte]

Okay, time for some NON-fiction here.

I have dated more then one "Psycho" woman in my lifetime.

I have had, in years past, a "neon sign" visible only to other people(not me) emblazened across my forehead that reads: " I Love Psycho-women!".

I REALLY want to turn that sign off, and take it down forever.

What attracted me to them ?

Hmmn, good conversation, looks, dates that went quite well, and yes sex.

For me, always after the fact, it was also a definitive case of:"If I knew then what I know Now".

The women who later turned out to be psycho, were not psycho at first.

I think the savior aspect may have played a role in it too.

Perhaps a saved them from guys that treated them like shit, and I provided some stabilty for them, I dunno.

What I Do know is that, emotional stability, or the closest reasonable facsimile thereof, is something I have to have(in a woman) if I ever get involved with someone ever again.

My advice to men who choose to date psycho women is:

if you are with her just to have someone to be with, or just because she's hot or the sex is good, it's NOT worth it!!!

RUN...RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!

[Enishi]

I think part of it is that a lot of guys want to be the hero who saves the damsel in distress. "Don't worry psycho girl! Hero boy will accept you and make you whole!"

[Onyx]

"Psycho" women.... and I am using the slang here because I have not really dated a full blown PSYCHOTIC.... But if you mean psycho as in unbalanced, over-emotional, unpredictatble, impulsive, over-reactinonary, etc...

But I don't know that many guys who have dated actual clinically certifiable "psychotics"

I think I can explain.... if you wish to clarify this...

wow - just read your description of a few days in the life of someone dating a psycho (interesting and well written by the way). Maybe she wasn't full blown psychotic but sounds like there may have been a few psychotic breaks thrown in there amongst those happenings.

Man. I can't imagine having to live that way.

[phee]

wow - just read your description of a few days in the life of someone dating a psycho (interesting and well written by the way). Maybe she wasn't full blown psychotic but sounds like there may have been a few psychotic breaks thrown in there amongst those happenings.

Man. I can't imagine having to live that way.

"Psyche" is sort of a combination of a lot of past girlfriends.... I have dated primarily european women... married an american... and er.... yeah.... there is a lot of... stuff from my past there.... but remember it is fictionalized.

[Msterbeau]

A few days in the life of dating a psycho.... the ups and downs (A mostly fictional account):

She makes you breakfast before you go to work, it tastes really good... even though you don't know whats in it (it sounded either Asian or Martian... you are not sure what)

You get to work feeling loved.

About an hour you get to work, a strange email appears in your in box, it is a man claiming to be..... lets just call her... Psyche's ex. Warning you at first, to stay away from her because she is his, then you realize it is a friendly warning as to what she will do to you as a person... then you realize that he is actually doing both, and that it might not be a him but an ex girlfriend of hers, which turns you on slightly and scares you as well...

At lunch you get a call from Psyche, she is in full out crying in tears mode, and you can't figure out if its because of her mother, or she heard a certain song on the radio that just makes her get like this sometimes. Within the conversation she has declared that you are an Asshole and the greatest thing that has ever happened to her within the same breath.

She then sends you an email at work with no label, you open it and it is her in erotic positions naked (save for the top-hat) with only the caption of "see you later" with a wink. You are extremely turned on by the pics and afraid you might have lost your job. You have found a way to grin and look scared to death at the same time.

You get home from work (on the way home you get flowers because you are a sweet guy)

You walk in with a smile and she is reading some kind of eastern spirituality/cowboy how-to book on the couch in a large sweater... you can tell she has been crying she does not look up.... you give her the flowers, she ignores you entirely... she exits the room and you vaguely here her say "fuck you and your petty bullshit" under her breath...

An hour later she comes out of where ever she went and jumps into your lap kissing you.... and says.... "Donna and Ayden want to meet us at that new resturant downtown, you know the one thats from that country that no ones heard of and the menu is illegal in most Southern states." You have no idea who Donna and Ayden are, but you agree because you are happy to see her in a good mood.

She comes out in a fukking awesome and sexy outfit that makes you hard as a diamond just to look at her. She then exclaimes.... "You are wearing that???? How can you possibly go to "the club" in that????" You explain that you had no idea that you were going clubbing on this Tuesday night.... and she then screams "I told you like 5 times we are going to the club after dinner.... never listen to me!!!" and stomps off and closes the door... 5 minutes later she comes out and apologizes... you get ready for clubbing and dinner.

On the way she screams for you to stop the car and turn left you say "what?" she then repeats her command, you look for whatever it is on the left you are supposed to be turning on to.... the then says "it's too late" and gets quiet.... you tell her you can go back and ask what it was you were looking for.... she says "nevermind" lets just go eat.

You arrive at the resteraunts parking area... her cellphone rings and she sounds very sorry for who it is on the phone.... She then tells you that was Donna, and Donna and Ayden just broke up and they are not comming after all, and that Donna is really upset because Ayden took another job in Guam because he wanted to be closer to his daughter, and he is such an asshole for that.... You keep your mouth SHUT.

After some silence she then starts making out with you for a few minutes, and decides that "we should walk to that new russian bread place on the eastside of town and try the new soup she heard about on the radio. You tell her that is two hours of walking... she exclaimes "So What!" and drags you out of the car in her hot ass outfit that she is planning on walking accross town in. You start to protest but then you see her ass.... and become a mute.

About half way there, she then seems to get depressed.... you ask her what is wrong and she says "Nothing" you continue on... She then stops turns to you and says... "If you like Donna more then me.... I understand.... she is much prettier then I am" (you recall that you don't remember ever meeting Donna.... ever) and you look confused.... she continues on "She said that all she ever wanted was a guy just like you.... and I get it....." You then bombard her with reassurances that have about the effect of paintballs on a battleship... no help at all as you reach your destination... which actually isn't there anymore, and she remembers that it was never there to begin with, and that the one she is thinking of is really in her homeland of Poland...

You make your way back to the car in silence.

When you get there you are so hungry that you want to die.... she wisely suggests McDonalds on the way to "The Club"... you stop and eat... and have a fascinating conversation while eating your MacNuggets.... expanding your mind. You realize she is one of the smartest people you have ever met in your life.... and those eyes... and that body.... she is THE ONE.... You feel happy....

you make it to the club and see your friends.... apparently Donna and Ayden are there because they are back together now, because he realizes what a shit he was being to Donna for wanting to see his daughter more....

She drinks....

She starts whispering the most erotic things to you that you never ever thought you would hear in your lifetime.... You leave the club and she gets you soooo turned on with foreplay that you have trouble driving... You get home.... she dissappears and comes out with a dinosaur outfit on.... you are confused for two reasons... one, why the fuck does "Psyche" have a fukking dinosaur outfit on? and two, how in the name of Olympus does she make it look that sexy?

You fuck for 24 hours straight missing work and meals, handcuffs are invlolved and oils, tantra, and schoolgirl outfits that look good with her red hair... and you are so sore at the end and your body has been so drained of fluids that your language centers no longer function.... you cannot move and you realize that you are probably going to die.... and you don't care you are feeling so good and sore.

You order chinease food that afternoon and watch strange german movies with your smart and sexy GF under the blanket on the couch... life is good... she then tells you that she is not going to feel good unless she can smell her menstral blood in every room of the house... You look at her blankly... she then asks you "When do you want to try and have a baby.... and... and why don't you do nice things for me like Ayden does for Donna like buying flowers?" You try to say something and point at the flowers that are sitting on the table from yesterday.... "I did... look the flowers are...." She cuts you off and stomps out of the room, leaving you... the flowers and the the blanket alone with the strange German movies.... She reappears a bit later and tells you that she desperatly wants to fuck you... and that she will do anything you want.... "forever" You somehow find the energy to have more sex... good sex at that.... then she starts balling and asks you to marry her, and if you would kill for her... then she calls her mom and ignores you....

You finally collapse asleep to try to not miss two days of work....

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(Holy shit did I write all that?)

You have just Eternaled, The Eternal.