Who actually wants me here?

[Scary Guy]

Yeah so I keep getting banned for being me, then ticked off and leaving because I hate censorship. I understand my views might be a tad bit (really) unpopular and not everyone agrees with them. I like it here and most of the people that go along with it. However I keep getting punished for being me and it's not like when I come back I'm going to stop being me or change for anyone.

So should I continue my self exile and only use it to promote (if that, who knows I might tick someone off there too) or should I start being active again. I don't want to be one of those guys who only uses it to promote and doesn't read anything else because it makes me feel like a spammer and I HATE SPAM.

I love the scene and I do everything I can to support it and a lot of the scene hates me anyway.

Feel free to post your true thoughts, I won't hold them against you. I won't even reply to this thread (unless requested to do so).

[Joey Deadcat]

Bollocks to the haters and overemotional lot. Stay on, SG!

[jynxxxedangel]

Life's too short to be fuckin' sore. /straightface

Jinxy-- out.

[freydis]

Be yourself, and stick around, just think sometimes before you deliberately stir up shit.

When you *know* what you say is going to piss someone off, think a few minutes why you're saying it before hitting the reply button.

[Rev.Reverence]

Be yourself, and stick around, just think sometimes before you deliberately stir up shit.

When you *know* what you say is going to piss someone off, think a few minutes why you're saying it before hitting the reply button.

....yup....OR....try a lengthy disclaimer...

...in case you did not notice.....we agree on many things....

[Ice Queen (1)]

I like seeing you around, but understand the frustration. Do whatever is best for you, sometimes the frustration is just not worth it. Either way, you will never be seen as a spammer by me.

[st_masey]

I totally agree with you. Aren't goths supposed to be tough and intimidating? When did we turn into a crowd with such fragile feelings that we can't even deal with the negativity and controversy that created this subculture?

[Rev.Reverence]

I totally agree with you. Aren't goths supposed to be tough and intimidating? When did we turn into a crowd with such fragile feelings that we can't even deal with the negativity and controversy that created this subculture?

...yeah..

..& where's the tolerance to such "anti-social" behaviors that are indicative of the sub-culture?

[Oh_My_Goth]

Personally, I have never found anything you have said to be offensive.. Then again I am not easily offended...

I actually quite enjoy most of your posts..

Yeah, I guess you can be a bit of a dick at times, but hey, so can I...

So, I say stay, but don't stay for anyone here.. Stay cuz you want to... If indeed you do

[gothkytten (2)]

i dont know you, but i like it when people speak there mind.

[Brenda Starrr]

SG...

Sometimes, you are closed-minded. It's your way, or the highway. You don't seem to think that anyone else's opinion is the correct one. You're extremely argumentative and combative.

BUT...

You are passionate about the scene. You have extensive knowledge and are extremely bright. You can even be funny at times.

I think that you belong here. I also think you need to lighten up and let other people be right for once.

You don't believe in God? Ok. Don't fight others on their beliefs because that is what they choose to believe.

You disagree with a certain style of employment? Try being sensitive to those who do it to survive. Look where we live. And I CHOSE tolive here. We all make jokes about certain things. You tend to be militant. Let it go.

Asperger's is NOT an excuse. I don't let my son use it as an excuse. You're a big boy.

Personally, I like you. I think that this board and some of its mods need a little lightening up. And, like I said, so do you. We should ALL be allowed to speak our minds. It's well within our rights. Sadly, there is a limit here. And you must like it because you keep coming back.

I think you should stay.

[Onyx]

I would like to see you stick around and keep posting when you feel like it.

You add a lot to this board and would be missed by more people than you realize.

[Raev]

I totally agree with you. Aren't goths supposed to be tough and intimidating? When did we turn into a crowd with such fragile feelings that we can't even deal with the negativity and controversy that created this subculture?

I'd say around 1986.

[TygerLili]

Your opinions have never bothered me. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't, but I respect people who share opinions that are not those of the majority. I also agree with you that I don't like when people use the board for no other purpose than self-promotion. It's nice to know that people have ideas and a personality, and are aware that there are other things besides themselves out there in the universe. Therfore, I'd like to see you continue to post.

I don't think I've ever personally heatedly clashed with you over anything, though it's not in my nature to defend my opinion so thoroughly. I would include you in a very large number of DGNers, including a couple moderators, and myself on one occasion, I've observed over the last few years, who, rather than sticking with opinions on the topic at hand, start to personally attack or give opinions on the person you're disagreeing with. But you would hardly be the only one on this board who should work on avoiding doing that.

[Simon Bar Sinister]

Bollocks to the haters and overemotional lot. Stay on, SG!

kinda ironic given the nature of this thread, lol.

[Msterbeau]

I think we should bury you alive in that damn Hearse.

[Brenda Starrr]

There's nothing wrong with speaking your mind, and there's nothing wrong with doing so rudely. Passion incites a lack of regard for manners in people, and I personally have always found human emotion to be a beautiful thing that more than anything else should never be censored. If people are too sensitive to deal with it, they can just... NOT READ WHAT YOU WRITE!! How's that for an idea? As long as you're not directly attacking, with names, anybody here, I say be yourself.

No. Rudeness is NOT accepted. Read the rules. As a former Sr., Even I had to watch how I've said things. Even now, I still try. Being rude about it is NOT cool. Passion is a beautiful thing, I think. It's hard to not read what people write, unless they're placed on ignore.

I'm not saying to sugarcoat what you say. I'm suggesting that you to find a better way to say it.

[Rev.Reverence]

No. Rudeness is NOT accepted. Read the rules. As a former Sr., Even I had to watch how I've said things. Even now, I still try. Being rude about it is NOT cool. Passion is a beautiful thing, I think. It's hard to not read what people write, unless they're placed on ignore.

I'm not saying to sugarcoat what you say. I'm suggesting that you to find a better way to say it.

Quoted for truth...

...highlighted for WISDOM....

[e-jewell]

No. Rudeness is NOT accepted. Read the rules. As a former Sr., Even I had to watch how I've said things. Even now, I still try. Being rude about it is NOT cool. Passion is a beautiful thing, I think. It's hard to not read what people write, unless they're placed on ignore.

I'm not saying to sugarcoat what you say. I'm suggesting that you to find a better way to say it.

And what is a better way for him to say the things he says? A way that's delicately put, preceding everything with "No offense", "In my opinion", "I respect your views", etc? He's not a delicate person. He's a strong-minded individual, and shouldn't have to apologize to anybody for his ideas, views, etc. His posts in general. As long as there is no direct attack on another person, one should be able to say whatever they want.

It's actually kinda insulting to him, to say that he isn't speaking correctly. It's an insult on his character. He's the type to speak his mind, as I am. Telling him it's unacceptable to speak his mind, to edit everything he says, is telling him that he himself is unacceptable. You could be building the foundations for a lifetime of low self esteem.

I say again... As long as there is no direct attack on another person, one should be able to say whatever they want.

[TitsMcGee]

Even though we don't see eye to eye, I think you should stay.

[Oh_My_Goth]

And what is a better way for him to say the things he says? A way that's delicately put, preceding everything with "No offense", "In my opinion", "I respect your views", etc? He's not a delicate person. He's a strong-minded individual, and shouldn't have to apologize to anybody for his ideas, views, etc. His posts in general. As long as there is no direct attack on another person, one should be able to say whatever they want.

It's actually kinda insulting to him, to say that he isn't speaking correctly. It's an insult on his character. He's the type to speak his mind, as I am. Telling him it's unacceptable to speak his mind, to edit everything he says, is telling him that he himself is unacceptable. You could be building the foundations for a lifetime of low self esteem.

I say again... As long as there is no direct attack on another person, one should be able to say whatever they want.

I don't believe she was calling him rude...

& There is a difference between being direct & being plain rude.

I don't often offer Me opinion up in a serious manner.. But when I do, I am blunt because, like some others I don't give a rat's ass what people think of MY opinion.

BUT, I am tactful about it.

& There is nothing wrong with saying things like "in my opinion".. Or putting a disclaimer on what you say, or in your sig... It does not hinder your opinion...

Yes, people should not be so easily offended by mere words..... As others should not be offended by there offendededness

But this is just my opinion

[Nightgaunt]

I say again... As long as there is no direct attack on another person, one should be able to say whatever they want.

I would agree with that, with the addition: "...no direct attack on another person... or their beliefs and/or opinions." It is possible, even easy, to craft your statements in such a way as to not appear as a direct attack. Arguments or debates can be conducted without rudeness or boorish behavior. To ask for such is not censorship or denying someone the chance to speak their mind according to their own personal style. Part of being an adult is to filter your thoughts before letting them escape your lips. It is not self-censorship, merely getting your own thoughts and opinions across in such a way as to encourage further debate and exchange of ideas. Not every discussion or debate has to be "won" by either party. I'm an intensely passionate person with strong and often unpopular opinions, but I've yet to be reprimanded or banned because I also understand the concept of tact.

Stick around SG. I like you.

[Brenda Starrr]

I don't believe she was calling him rude...

& There is a difference between being direct & being plain rude.

I don't often offer Me opinion up in a serious manner.. But when I do, I am blunt because, like some others I don't give a rat's ass what people think of MY opinion.

BUT, I am tactful about it.

& There is nothing wrong with saying things like "in my opinion".. Or putting a disclaimer on what you say, or in your sig... It does not hinder your opinion...

Yes, people should not be so easily offended by mere words..... As others should not be offended by there offendededness

But this is just my opinion

Thank you for "getting" what I was saying.

There ARE rules tothis board. "Play Nice" rules. I suggest strongly that everyone who might be confused read them. More than once.

[taysteewonderbunny]

Yeah so I keep getting banned for being me, then ticked off and leaving because I hate censorship. I understand my views might be a tad bit (really) unpopular and not everyone agrees with them. I like it here and most of the people that go along with it. However I keep getting punished for being me and it's not like when I come back I'm going to stop being me or change for anyone.

So should I continue my self exile and only use it to promote (if that, who knows I might tick someone off there too) or should I start being active again. I don't want to be one of those guys who only uses it to promote and doesn't read anything else because it makes me feel like a spammer and I HATE SPAM.

I love the scene and I do everything I can to support it and a lot of the scene hates me anyway.

Feel free to post your true thoughts, I won't hold them against you. I won't even reply to this thread (unless requested to do so).

Whoa. So, this is, like, you asking for approval? A sign that it does matter to you how you are perceived and received? Why, that's so utterly human! My suspicions are confirmed--you are mortal, sir, and as such, you err. WELCOME!

Of course people are going to get offended sometimes. If never they did, it would be a sure sign that they haven't any passions either. We ALL need to show a little humility sometimes. Consider not whether someone OUGHT to have reacted to something posted and think more on how they DID react; if it were you, what would you need to feel welcome on the board, even if agreement was not to be had. That is to say, show respect for the person regardless of his or her viewpoint. ANYONE who consistently does that is someone I hope to see post every day.

I can't say I know you well enough to state unequivocally that I want you here. Yet I can say that I don't want you to leave. I have not always agreed with you, but it has never been a requirement for my friendship that I do. Stay.

[e-jewell]

Yes, people should not be so easily offended by mere words..... As others should not be offended by there offendededness

lol I'm not offended, and I'm sure SG isn't either. But when one's posts are consistently deleted, THEN it's offensive. Be offended by my words or another's, but don't erase them from existence. Don't delete something that should be immortal. That's the kind of thing that's protested all over the country, we shouldn't see evidence of such censorship in a messsage board.

And I agree somewhat NG. Except that I don't believe in the idea of tact. It's vehemence and the absence of an edit button that most often incited change throughout history. If I didn't believe in God, I would have no problems saying so. I would have no problems with blasphemy. If somebody else blasphemes I have no problems with them.

Without a slight bit of rudeness, without challenging people's beliefs and opinions, this board is nothing but a dull textbook. There needs to be debate to truly learn anything, otherwise people just BS about their beliefs to sound worldly, impress everyone, make a statement, etc. Wrenching the facts into light seperates the children from the adults, not wrenching proper manners from people who don't live in the garden district.