This is why church "leaders"

[Simon Bar Sinister]

can all eat a bag of rotting dicks.

[phee]

This sums up how I feel about that Bishop:

[TitsMcGee]

I read this earlier and was appalled. At 9 years old and only 80 pounds there is no way she could have carried those babies to term in the first place.

[StormKnight (1)]

Let's get this straight: stepfather molests, rapes and impregnates a innocent girl who isn't even a teen, let alone physically capable of having a child. The doctors, rather than let her die from the babies literally eating her alive, terminate the pregnancy. The regional bishop, instead of damning the father to the jaws of Lucifer for being one of the greatest traitors (along Cassius, Brutus, and Judas,) for nearly killing said innocent girl and robbing her innocence with his abdominal behavior, forces both the *innocent* child (aren't all children supposed to be innocent in the eyes of God?) and doctors out of the most popular religion in their country, leaving them pretty much isolated socially and morally.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason I am not the greatest fan of organized religion.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Let's get this straight: stepfather molests, rapes and impregnates a innocent girl who isn't even a teen, let alone physically capable of having a child. The doctors, rather than let her die from the babies literally eating her alive, terminate the pregnancy. The regional bishop, instead of damning the father to the jaws of Lucifer for being one of the greatest traitors (along Cassius, Brutus, and Judas,) for nearly killing said innocent girl and robbing her innocence with his abdominal behavior, forces both the *innocent* child (aren't all children supposed to be innocent in the eyes of God?) and doctors out of the most popular religion in their country, leaving them pretty much isolated socially and morally.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason I am not the greatest fan of organized religion.

Well, if you want to get it right, try re-reading it. The girl is not being excommunicated. Her mother is for allowing it to happen and the doctors for doing it.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I read this earlier and was appalled. At 9 years old and only 80 pounds there is no way she could have carried those babies to term in the first place.

and thats the only reason the abortion was legal in Brazil.

[TitsMcGee]

Well, if you want to get it right, try re-reading it. The girl is not being excommunicated. Her mother is for allowing it to happen and the doctors for doing it.

It's still rather ridiculous that they were excommunicated and not the step father.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

BTW

Excommunication is not a permanent status in most cases. The mother and doctors will most likely have to do some penance or 5 and then be full members of the church again.

[phee]

BTW

Excommunication is not a permanent status in most cases. The mother and doctors will most likely have to do some penance or 5 and then be full members of the church again.

That makes it all okay then.....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

It's still rather ridiculous that they were excommunicated and not the step father.

Why? Committing a sin is not a reason to excommunucate a person, if it was, everyone would be excommunicated. Going against cannon law is.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

That makes it all okay then.....

It's thier religion, they knew the penality and decided to do it anyway. I do beleive it was the right choice. All it means is they cant take communion.

[phee]

It's thier religion, they knew the penality and decided to do it anyway. I do beleive it was the right choice. All it means is they cant take communion.

Are you serious?

I mean are you defending the religion that works that way?

[phee]

Are you serious?

I mean are you defending the religion that works that way?

I mean I guess they choose to be Catholic... but at the same time... the 9 year old didn't choose to be raped or her religion... it was forced by her parents.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

The 9 year old isn't being punished.

and yes, I am defending a religion that has a non-violent core belief system that values human life and sticks to it.

Now, had this been a Muslim family, the little girl would have been stoned to death by now for seducing her step father. I would be appalled by that.

The mother and doctors broke cannon law. They knew the punishment for doing so and did it anyway. They can still go to Church, they just can't take communion until they atone for it.

Honestly, I would think you would be happy with this outcome. It has an outside chance of turning the Mother and the doctors away from the Church. They may even turn their backs on God.

[TitsMcGee]

The 9 year old isn't being punished.

and yes, I am defending a religion that has a non-violent core belief system that values human life and sticks to it.

Now, had this been a Muslim family, the little girl would have been stoned to death by now for seducing her step father. I would be appalled by that.

The mother and doctors broke cannon law. They knew the punishment for doing so and did it anyway. They can still go to Church, they just can't take communion until they atone for it.

I agree with you on the Muslim bit. You do have a lot of good points, but I can't say much because I don't know much about catholic rules.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I mean I guess they choose to be Catholic... but at the same time... the 9 year old didn't choose to be raped or her religion... it was forced by her parents.

The 9 year old is NOT BEING PUNISHED in any way shape or form except for the fact that her stepdad raped her. You are all up in arms over something that is not happening.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I agree with you on the Muslim bit. You do have a lot of good points, but I can't say much because I don't know much about catholic rules.

Excommunication is not just a Catholic thing.

[TitsMcGee]

Excommunication is not just a Catholic thing.

See you just proved my point. I'm lutheran, we don't excommunicate people.

[the eternal]

Gaf--

I hear what you're saying, but I am a bit appalled by your cavalier attitude about this.

The problem with taking a hard line about issues like abortion is that it doesn't allow for more extreme circumstances like this.

This reminds me of when women priests got excommunicated, but pedophilic priests were not.

Canon law or not, the fact that Holocaust-denying priests and child fuckers are simply sinners, but abortionists in ALL circumstances are worthy of excommunication is ridiculous.

Now there are a lot of atheists on this board so maybe, MAYBE, you're right Gaf, some people would be pleased that this could turn one away from Adonai, but I'm not one of them.

Instances like this and the Holocaust do force one to take a step back and question religion, but they shouldn't.

There shouldn't be horrors like this, and it should be condemend by the religious community when it does happen.

I really don't give a fuck about cannon law.

At the end of the day, the archbishop should use this as a chance to speak out against rape, speak out against child abuse, speak out for the people that can't speak for themselves.

I would think it to be quite Christian of him to take a break from screaming about the importance of being pro-life---

to do so

Catholics have a great history of taking an individual stance and joining with Jews and other religious groups to stand up against injustice.

Just look at Liberation Theology, which is popular just north of there in Central America.

But it is also a people that can swing the other way and turn a blind eye when it should be crying for change instead.

The arrogance and detachment that this bishop enacted by ignoring the true crime and lashing out at only the victim is appalling.

At the least he could have condemned both.

And, quite frankly, so could have you.

Your detached nihilism towards this issue is more than a little disturbing.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

See you just proved my point. I'm lutheran, we don't excommunicate people.

You might want to ask your Priest. Technially, Lutherans do have excommunication, it's just that not all sects practice it.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Gaf--

I hear what you're saying, but I am a bit appalled by your cavalier attitude about this.

The problem with taking a hard line about issues like abortion is that it doesn't allow for more extreme circumstances like this.

This reminds me of when women priests got excommunicated, but pedophilic priests were not.

Canon law or not, the fact that Holocaust-denying priests and child fuckers are simply sinners, but abortionists in ALL circumstances are worthy of excommunication is ridiculous.

Now there are a lot of atheists on this board so maybe, MAYBE, you're right Gaf, some people would be pleased that this could turn one away from Adonai, but I'm not one of them.

Instances like this and the Holocaust do force one to take a step back and question religion, but they shouldn't.

There shouldn't be horrors like this, and it should be condemend by the religious community when it does happen.

I really don't give a fuck about cannon law.

At the end of the day, the archbishop should use this as a chance to speak out against rape, speak out against child abuse, speak out for the people that can't speak for themselves.

I would think it to be quite Christian of him to take a break from screaming about the importance of being pro-life---

to do so

Catholics have a great history of taking an individual stance and joining with Jews and other religious groups to stand up against injustice.

Just look at Liberation Theology, which is popular just north of there in Central America.

But it is also a people that can swing the other way and turn a blind eye when it should be crying for change instead.

The arrogance and detachment that this bishop enacted by ignoring the true crime and lashing out at only the victim is appalling.

At the least he could have condemned both.

And, quite frankly, so could have you.

Your detached nihilism towards this issue is more than a little disturbing.

I am not being cavalier nor nihilistic. I have no words for the seething rage the step father elicits from me. I also know, that most people, but specifically the people in this thread, know me well enough to know how I feel about rape in any form, let alone the rape of a child. I feel dirty even typing that out.

I was reacting to the way people were reacting in this thread. I saw people somehow thinking the little girl was excommunicated, even after I had pointed out that she had not been.

We have also own seen the bishop's reaction through a small window. We can't see the whole scene. Perhaps, if the benefit of the doubt were given some time, we could entertain other ideas. This story was written from an American point of view after all.

I mean, perhaps, the Bishop is just giving lip service. We don't know what penance must be done before the excommunication is lifted. It could be some rather minor. The mother may have agreed to it. This could just be how Brazillion Catholics handle this type of situation. It lets them do the right thing by the child and satisfies thier Faith system at the same time.

[Homicidalheathen]

all I read was the headline. Shame on mom for telling ANYONE about her daughters so PRIVATE WOES. That is a bitch if you ask me.

[phee]

I have a problem with a system that punishes (maybe not the girl) but the girls family and the concept.

[Rev.Reverence]

Excommunication is not just a Catholic thing.

..who else excommunicates?

[phee]

..who else excommunicates?

There are a lot of religions that "kick you out"